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hi sorry to bother you guys but im pulling out what hair i have left trying to create a demo disc with 2d+3d content (2d is fine but im getting stuck with the 3d!) any ideas on a programme that can create one? i need to be able to
*use 3d blu-ray footage full HD not SBS/anaglyph etc
*keep the HD audio intact
*be able to edit or select in out points (i dont want the entire movie)
*have 2d and 3d on the same disc
is it possible? and if so is there an easy way to do it?
i was using tsmuxer to edit the 2d clips then put them together in multiavchd which has perfect for the 2d clips but i cant find a way to do it with the 3d clips
i got some programmes which i assumed i could do it with
scenarist
bd author 3d
but they both seem very compicated and i seem to be unable to load multiple 3d blu-rays in and edit the bits i need
does anyone have any ideas please?
THX
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The only person we have who might be able to help you is a user named Cornucopia. Perhaps he will respond.
Scenarist is notorious for not being user friendly and extremely expensive. I looked up BD Author 3D and it's expensive too. Typically such products are priced too high for most of our members, so they don't have them or know how to use them. Sometimes people get "demo" copies that never expire (wink wink nudge nudge) but if you didn't buy it, you can't get help here. We have a policy against warez and if you bought it you should have the docs that came with it. If you didn't buy those products, please don't say so in a follow up or your thread will get closed. Almost a decade ago it was possible to teach yourself how to author DVDs with Scenarist if you did a lot of searching on the internet for documentation and guides, but I don't know if such exists for the 3D stuff. -
im on 30 day trials with both of them, i was hoping i could get it done in that timeframe (as its a one off disc im creating) but it doesnt seem likely!
was hoping it was doable with tsmuxer but i don't seem able to set different in/out points for the 3d clips it looks like just one for all
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I am awaiting a response from Cyberlink. Their PowerDirector "claims" to be able to create 3D BD discs (possibly with Menus and Subtitles!), but the manual (which was probably written for an earlier version) says that it needs an additional PLUGIN to enable that enhanced feature.
If it works (with or without the plugin), that is probably your best bet. If their claims are misleading and they don't actually DO 3DBD, your next best bet is Vegas Pro, but that entails loading all (as 3D) into Vegas, with possible re-encoding losses, plus no menu or subtitles.
Next in line would be that BDAuthor3D, which is clearly going higher up the cost chain. Haven't tried it, but from the specs, it looks like it ought to do the job well.
I have never heard of a "demo" or "trial" version of Scenarist, so I'll just leave that one alone. Enough has been talked about it being an orphaned product anyway.
Since you NEED editing capabilities, my guess is that you should use one of the first 2 since they have editing (including 3D-supported editing) as a core function.
BTW, I haven't attempted this so I cannot say for certain: Though it does seem like it ought to be allowable from the perspective of compliance with the spec, I'm guessing that, with the 2 programs specified above, you may not be able to do checkerboarding of both 2D and 3D projects. Fear not!
A 2D program is in a sense just a special case of a 3D program where the images are identical. Since they are identical, the MVC encoding would put ALL the 2D's data into the MAIN stream and little to NONE in the DEPENDENT stream, thereby not wasting bitrate. So just author a single, ALL-3D (wink, wink) disc.
HTH,
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Cornucopia, I can address some of what you posted.
First of all, I have PowerDirector 12 Ultimate. It does indeed create 3D-BD discs with menus, even 3D menus. I have not tried the subtitle features, but according to the in-program help:
"CyberLink PowerDirector lets you add subtitles to your video production, either for a disc or imprinted on a video file. You can also import subtitles from a file, extract them from an MKV file, or add them manually in the Subtitle Room."
I did a quick test. On the timeline, I added some 3D Video and some 2D video, added a 3D menu and created a BD-3D folder. Then I loaded the folder into TotalMedia Theatre 5. The menus were 3D, the 3D footage was 3D and the 2D footage was 2D.
Video recoding format options are Movie format (BDMV - with menu) and Widescreen (16:9).
Video encoding format and quality options are H.264 and HD 1920x1080/24P or 1280x720/60P or Smart Fit.
Audio encoding format and channels are LPCM or Dolby Digital or DTS and 2 channels or 5.1 channels.
BrainiacLast edited by Brainiac; 13th Apr 2014 at 17:50.
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Thanks, Brainiac! You got back to me quicker than Cyberlink did.
It is as I was hopefully expecting.
I did note in the manual that there is a limitation of no menus or subs when the source 3d footage is in SbS format. Luckily one can work around that by reformatting &reencoding that footage to Mvc (or possibly dual streams or dual files).
I plan on getting PD12Ultimate soon (specifically for the purpose of 3DBD) to complement what I already do with Vegas.
Hope that satisfies the OP.
Scott -
Pinnacle Studio 17 does 3D as well, but there is currently a problem with completing the rendering of the project, among other bugs. I would definitely NOT recommend it in it's current state.
Brainiac -
well i ended up getting powerdirector 12 and for the moment losing the HD sound my only problem with pd12 is that when i create a 3d blu-ray the framerate is very jerky (all footage is 23.976 and set to 1080p/24fps output) the 2d stuff works perfect even the powerdirector created 2d-3d converted footage works but just not the clips from 3d-blu-rays!
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Please explain more clearly, in more detail.
Scott -
thx scott
im using tsmuxer start/end to edit small clips from some 3dblu's i end up with an m2ts file which has the mvc left+rights in the m2ts file
if i load them into the timeline of powerdirector 12 and create a 3d blu-ray they play in 3d but they play back jerky (timeline is set to 24fps , it doesnt give a 23.976 option)
if i do a 2d disc in pd12 its fine
if i do a 2d file (m2ts created in tsmuxer) and convert it to 3d using pd12 that plays back perfectly in 3d too
if i mix the 2d conversion in the timeline with the 3dbd clips the conversion still plays and the 3dbd jerks about
on a previous disc (2d created in premiere) i had a problem with jerking which was fixed by lowering the bitrate, in pd12 i can't find any settings which are adjustable in 3d mode, so i was looking for a programme that i could lower the bitrate on the 3d m2ts files that i have to see if that fixes the problem
btw i have tried multiple 3d m2ts files from multiple discs(it's not just one problem file)
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Could you list the steps you took in PowerDirector? I just did a test where I mixed a 2D file converted to 3D and a 3D file. Both had different framerates (24 and 29.97, respectively). I created a 3D Blu-ray (folder) and tested it in TotalMedia Theatre 5. It played fine. The timeline framerate was set to 30 fps.
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here are the links to 2 small 3d m2ts files im trying to get to work 650mbOriginally Posted by Brainiac
https://www.mediafire.com/?maom8afbdrf2eh9
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wn9oxk48ukqxzt2/barrels.m2ts
thx braniac tried it at 30fps this time
in pd12
new project 30fps timeline framerate
import media files (barrels.m2ts)
drag file to timeline
ok the "timeline framerate conflict"
go to create disc
menu preferences "no menu" apply to all pages
select 3d disc options page
change to 25gb blu
select
1920x1080/24p
dts 5.1
3d-bd
click burn in 3d
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Just a guess, but I'd say this is where you are messing up. Have you tried any straight/full/unedited clips? And how are you viewing this - via software player on your PC or via a 3DBD hardware player & TV? Maybe some bitrate problem?im using tsmuxer start/end to edit small clips from some 3dblu's i end up with an m2ts file which has the mvc left+rights in the m2ts file
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not tried a full clip (whole movie) yet, ill give that a go (i bet pd12 will crash its nuts out on that!)Originally Posted by Cornucopia
once burned to disc i try it on powerdvd total media 6 (anaglyph) and then on 2 standalone 3dbd players and 3d tv (im pretty thorough!
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just tried using tsmuxer to do entire 3d movie {no start/finish) tried it on 2 movies (mib3 madagascar 3)
imported it into pd12 used split to get a short clip but still comes out jerky
going to try importing straight into pd12 (no tsmuxer) and see how that fares -
it wouldnt import straight into pd12 tried ssif, playlist and m2ts (bugger!)
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So, it sounds like your source files are to blame. Unless you are not importing correctly.
Have you tried a known-good 3dbd sample, such as BigBuckBunny?
Scott -
just had a look at big buck bunny but all i can find are top/bottom 3d versions, no links to a 3d blu-ray version with the mvc files
to import into pd12 im just using "import media" then either selecting the m2ts file which it recognises as 3d
i also tried importing the following which didn't work
ssif
playlist
m2ts from the stream folder (works for 2d but not 3d)
btw thanks for the support guys
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just tried using dvdfab blu-3d m2ts (2 streams into 1 file option) unfortunately it saves it as 2 .264 streams inside the m2ts file which pd12 just reads as a 2d file, any idea how to change it to an mvc file? (i tried renaming it but it didn't work ((worth a shot!)) )
does anyone know of any other programmes that can create a mvc m2ts etc from a 3d blu?
so far tried tsmuxer and dvdfab tia
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