Capacity of 80min. CD?

[gangsterusa]

Is it possible to burn 800mb to an 80min. CD using Nero? I read somewhere on this forum that 80min. CD's can hold up to 800mb but I wanted to make sure cos when I tried earlier, Nero said that the file was too big to fit on one CD. I am trying to burn a 778 mb file. using SVCD setting in Nero.

Thanks.

[406lx]

VCDEasy I think can burn 800mb or so on a 80 min cd.

Try that at your own risk though and read the help files,

Greetz

[Hash]

Hi,

I think this is how it goes . An 80min CD can hold around 700MB of Mode 1 data (text files, zip files etc.) OR 800MB of Mode 2 data (video or audio). Where as a 74min CD holds 650MB of Mode 1 and 740MB of Mode 2.

This could of course be a load of old rubbish! If it is could somebody please let us know. Thanks.

[fantomlord]

Is it possible to burn 800mb to an 80min. CD using Nero? I read somewhere on this forum that 80min. CD's can hold up to 800mb but I wanted to make sure cos when I tried earlier, Nero said that the file was too big to fit on one CD. I am trying to burn a 778 mb file. using SVCD setting in Nero.

Thanks. :)

No problem doing this with nero. just make sure the overburning option os on, and burn away--you should be able to get as much as ~803MB or so on a 80 min CD.

[siaododo]

Yes, you can put 800 mb on a 700 mb CD, if you burn it in mode-2, that is VCD/SVCD/Audio CD format. So your 778 mb file should be able to be burned onto a VCD/SVCD, if & only the file is in mpg-1/mpg-2 format. Don't need to overbun if the file is less than 800 mb.

If your file is in other format, such as .avi, you must convert it to mpg. I use Tmpgenc. The resulting file size may increase or decrease, depending on your settings. Don't let Nero do the conversion for you, because the quality sucks.

If you are making a SVCD, your file must be mpg-2, and mpg-1 for VCD.

If your file is a 778 mb mpg-1 file, but Nero is telling you the file is too big; try this:

-open tmpgenc.
-go to file.
-Click on mpg tools.
-Choose merge & Cut.
-Click On Add, and select your 778 mb mpg file.
-Go to Type & change to Mpg (non-standard).
-Click on browse, and name to save the output file.
-Don't need to cut or edit, just click on Run.
-You will get a new file which you will be able to burn with Nero.

Don't have time to explain why going thru with the above, but I hope this will work for you.

[fantomlord]

-open tmpgenc.
-go to file.
-Click on mpg tools.
-Choose merge & Cut.
-Click On Add, and select your 778 mb mpg file.
-Go to Type & change to Mpg (non-standard).
-Click on browse, and name to save the output file.
-Don't need to cut or edit, just click on Run.
-You will get a new file which you will be able to burn with Nero.

actually, if you just turn off the burn standard compliant CD option in Nero, you shouldn't have to worry about the above

[siaododo]

Not true, this happened to me before, I turned the burned standard off, and Nero still said the files was too big. I think Nero's compliancy check only checks if video/audio is in compliant with White-book standard, it still matters how your mpg file was rendered. I forgot what version of Nero I was using at the time. Anyway, the method I suggested took less than 5 minutes to complete, depending on the size of your file.

[gangsterusa]

Thanks to all who are posting. Correction, My home made movie is 795.883 but from what you say that is not a problem. What setting should I use in Nero. I chose SVCD. I can't find anything about"overburn" setting. I did however see an option for Mode 1 or Mode 2, but when I select SVCD these options are not available. When I try to "write" it, a window comes up telling me that the media does not have the capacity to write this file.
I'm almost there on this long project and this is the last step. I know I can just go and get a 90min CD and be done, but I have read that what I am trying to do is possible and I would like to learn how.

BTW, This file was formated from an uncompressed 30min. avi into DVD 720x480 MPEG2

Thanks again.

[siaododo]

90 minutes CD may not be your last option either, because not all burners will work with it.

In Nero, if you selected SVCD, it will automatically burn in mode-2, so you don't need to worry about that.

To set overburn option:

-Goto File in Nero.
-Select preference.
-Select Expert Features, you will be able to turn on overburn there, be warned, not all burners support overburns, and it may cause damages to your drive.

However, I don't think this is your problem. How did you convert the AVI file to mpg-2 in the first place?

[gangsterusa]

Thanks siaododo. I used TMPGEnc to convert the 30min. uncompressed avi to MPEG-2. My drive is a plextor 16/8/40a CD-RW. I'm trying it now. My drive is still under warrenty so I will try it. I'll let you know.

Thanks. :)

Glenn

[gangsterusa]

Oh well, I guess it won't work. I selected the "overburn" setting in preferences. I set-up the file to burn and I know the file is 795.788mb in size but when I look at the properties of the file in the Nero burn window it says that the file is 86.27.17 in length. My burner will only overburn to 82min.

Well I tried. I won't give up yet though. Thanks for the help. :)

Glenn

[Compound]

BTW, This file was formated from an uncompressed 30min. avi into DVD 720x480 MPEG2

try converting it to standard svcd 480x480 mpg2

[gangsterusa]

I already have it converted and burned to that format. I wanted to get the best quality possible and the MPEG-2 DVD 720x480 is clearly the best quality file. You can't tell a difference between the uncompressed 6.9g avi and this MPEG-2 file I am trying to burn.

Thanks for the help.

[glokebrothaman]

gangsterusa,
try using nero 5.0.4.6 it's always worked for me. Burns in Mode2/xa if it is a compliant Mpeg or not. email me or im me for the prog.

-gloke

[siaododo]

You may want to try another CD Burning program besides Nero. Try by making an bin/cue cd image from the mpg file. try TSCV. There are several free programs available, if you look into the tools section.

Somehow, I don't think that will solve your problem either. May be sacraficing your mpg quality a little bit, and make a new mpg file, or like you said, use a 90 min CD. Your burner should be able to recognize it.

Have you tried making a mini DVD with your file? Did you make your file from the new tmpgenc's DVD templates? If you did, your mpg file may be is for making DVD's only.

[gangsterusa]

I did use the latest version of TMPGEnc with the DVD templates. Thanks, I will try the other programs you suggested.
I really appreciate all of your help. I am learning lots from your expertise.

Glenn

[condone]

Hi,

I think this is how it goes . An 80min CD can hold around 700MB of Mode 1 data (text files, zip files etc.) OR 800MB of Mode 2 data (video or audio). Where as a 74min CD holds 650MB of Mode 1 and 740MB of Mode 2.

This could of course be a load of old rubbish! If it is could somebody please let us know. Thanks.

That's actually correct, for any newbie's with the same question, this is the best way to explain it w/o going into mundane details about CDs and standards and such.

[TLO79]

How do you change the setting in Nero from mode 1 to the other mode? And which is better quality? Im still a newbie, I want to get good sound and pic on disk

[goose]

I've only done VCD on 80 min cd-r's but I fitted 829mb onto it using Nero5.5xx. Try setting the overburn to 99 min and try it. The cd isn't actually overburned since it is made for that much data but Nero doesn't know 80 min cd-r's since they are not standard. Your plextor can't be damaged trying it out because it has a mechanical stop for the laser.
It all worked for me

[nidoran]

this is true:
700 MB (mode1)
360.000 sectors * 2048 bytes/sector
= 737.280.000 bytes = 703.1 MB

80 min (mode2)
360.000 sectors * 2352 bytes/sector
= 846.720.000 bytes = 807.5 MB

modes can be the other way around though.
indeed the "min" standard is the CDDA/VCD mode, mb is data modus,
but i belive its even possible to put data on 80 min cds

g'luck

[siaododo]

TL079:

I don't know how to explain it any better, and if you still don't get it after this, I give up.

If you want your videos to be able to be played on a stand-alone DVD/VCD player, you must burn your mpg files in VCD/SVCD format, this is mode-2, and you can put 800 mb on a 700 mb CD. You will have to set over-burn option in Nero, if the file is over 800 mb, otherwise, you don't need to. If you set Nero to burn in VCD/SVCD format, it will automatically burn in mode-2.

If you want your videos to be able to be played on a computer only, then you can burn your mpg file as a regular data disk, which is mode -1. Nero will automatically set it to mode-1. You will only be able to put 700 mb on a 700 mb CD. Set overburn in Nero, if the file is over 700 mb.

Bear in mind that not all burners support overburn, and it may cause damages to some burners. I belive Plextor CDR/CDRW burner supports overburn.

How you burn your file to a CD has no effect on the quality of your video, it is how you render your videos that will make a difference on your movies. This topic is another can of worms I don't want to go into, please read the Guides and try them yourself before asking questions. Sefy's guide for newbies is usually a great place to start. There is no guide line on quality, it is really up to an individual to decide if the quality is acceptable or not.

Nidoran -

I think you said on your last post that mode-1 is 700 mb max & mode-2 is 800 mb max, and the modes can be the other way around. How? Care to show me?

[Kobe4MVP]

can you use overburn with easy cd creator platnium?

[landgraftj]

I would like to know how to overburn using easy cd creator 5.0...if anyone know could they please post!

[condone]

as far as i know, EZCD and similar Adaptec programs can NOT overburn. Adaptec's software is great minus that fact though. the reason is because Adaptec sticks strongly to the standards set forth by each CDType (all the books and such ie red white green blue orange).