What education did you obtain?

[johns0]

I graduated grade 12,couldn't wait to get out of school.

[lordsmurf]

What's the difference between university and college?

[johns0]

The difference between a college and a university is that a college just offers a collection of degrees in one specific area, while a university is a collection of colleges.

[vhelp]

[x] I voted Trade School

I traded for data processing computer programing, when computers were big machines, punch cards, magnetic tapes, also, accounting was part of the course--that was the toughest part of the course.

But I was fine with schooling, and miss it..I had some good times back then. . .

-vhelp 5264

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[wtsinnc]

I attended a major university in North Carolina and earned (?) a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration.

I'm still trying to figure out what it's good for.

[freebird73717]

I finished about 2 years of University. Never finished to get a degree though.

[ron spencer]

where is grad school on the list???? I'se gots 2 MAstersssssssssszz

[johns0]

where is grad school on the list???? I'se gots 2 MAstersssssssssszz

Fixed.

[lordsmurf]

So
College = Associates
University = Bachelor's
Grad school = Master's or Doctorate

Got it.

[edDV]

So
College = Associates
University = Bachelor's
Grad school = Master's or Doctorate

Got it.

Not quite, a college can grant BS/BA, MS/MA up to Ph.D or specialty degrees like law or medicine.

In universities, colleges are similar to divisions in a company.

This is biased to USA. Degrees have different meanings elsewhere.

[ks47]

Since the poll did not differentiate post grad school with professional schools such as medical school, I
voted for the grad school.

Actually, I think I could qualify for most of the category listed, including the military, which included Officer Candidate School during the Vietnam War. I finally graduated from school when I was 34. It took another 15 years before I paid off all of my student loans.

TS

[johns0]

Most medical schools i read about or see on tv are colleges and universities so university and college seeem to fit the bill.

[edDV]

Most medical schools i read about or see on tv are colleges and universities so university and college seeem to fit the bill.

Medical schools are normally self contained but most are associated with colleges or universities and share resources. Same goes for other professional schools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_school

It is important to understand how your MD obtained his/her degree. In the US, professional board credentials are often more important than a degree.

[ks47]

Actually, in the US where I graduated, even though some schools state that only pre-requisite university curriculums are necessary to matriculate. In order to compete effectively for the professional schools most students already have at least one undergraduate university degree.

TS

[edDV]

Actually, in the US where I graduated, even though some schools state that only pre-requisite university curriculums are necessary to matriculate. In order to compete effectively for the professional schools most students already have at least one undergraduate university degree.

TS

But not necessarily for immigrants or others filling general practitioner positions. I had to rescue my parents from a total quack.

[M Bruner]

Where is the School of Hard Knocks listed?

[ks47]

[..But not necessarily for immigrants or others filling general practitioner positions. I had to rescue my parents from a total quack.

I’m sorry for your troubles. I cannot address all ills of society as human nature as it is. With avarice, greed, deception and criminal elements in all professions, I don’t have answers to the lack of moral compass. The hoops and hurdles that you need to get into professional schools, there’s only a hope that you weed out people with unsavory goals and immature unprofessional standard from ever getting the degree to practice their craft onto another human being.

I was only addressing the questions in the poll.

TS

[edDV]

Problem is the local doctors knew this guy was unqualified. After my mom was diagnosed with leukemia and advanced diabetes, they helped me find a qualified medial team. She died about a year back.

[gadgetguy]

@edDV - Condolences on the loss of your mother.
As for the poll... I can't decide how to vote. I hated school and after graduating HS decided not to go to college. I did attend classes during my electrician apprenticeship program, but it was not really a trade school and I tested out of almost half of the curriculum. I've attended countless training classes for various telecommunications equipment and accessories, but most of my knowledge comes from OJT. I took some MCSE training courses, but dropped out when I realized their goal was certification and not knowledge.
I'm not too impressed by "higher education". I've met too many educated idiots.

Edit: @edDV - your story reminds me of the old joke: What do you call a medical student that graduates at the bottom of his class? ...Doctor.

[MJA]

where is "some collage" ? lol

[edDV]

Edit: @edDV - your story reminds me of the old joke: What do you call a medical student that graduates at the bottom of his class? ...Doctor.

Right and thanks.

MD selection is one of the few times it matters which certifications and degrees the person has. In most other fields, the resume and history of actual accomplishments trumps degrees. I've had poor results hiring PhDs.

[ronnylov]

Don't understand the alternatives...

Here in Sweden we have 9 years of obligatory basic shool (nowadays it's normally 10 years if you include the optional preschool year).

Then we have something called "gymnasium" which is optional but almost everybody goes through it. This is normally three years but when I was young I went through 4 years of technical gymnasium.

Then after the gymnasium that we have the "high school" which includes university and similar educations. I wenth through two years of the "high school".

But we also had mandatory military training when I was young so almost all boys was in the army for a period (I was in the army for 10 months). Nowaydays there are almost no money for military training anymore and the mandatory military training is removed and replaced with employed soldiers.

So what should I wote??? I think it is a combination of University or college, technical training and military training. I guess university is my choice?

[dadrab]

Masters Degree in English...

[deadrats]

Problem is the local doctors knew this guy was unqualified. After my mom was diagnosed with leukemia and advanced diabetes, they helped me find a qualified medial team. She died about a year back.

the sad truth is that there are plenty of people that get through med school, that are not immigrants, totally educated in this country, that are complete idiots, it boggles the mind that they ever received their degrees much less their license to practice.

i can tell you from my own personal experience i once developed a "rash" on my feet that started spreading up my legs and to the rest of my body. it got so bad i would wake up at night and i had started rubbing my feet together trying to alleviate the itching which ended up causing self-inflicted wounds, puss, the top layer of skin was worn off, bruising, my feet were a mess and my hands, arms and legs were starting to follow. i went to a local doctor (who is no longer in the area) and he's like "i have no idea what it is, you're going to have to see a specialist", charged me $100 for the office visit and referred me to a dermatologist. the dermatologist couldn't see me until the following week so i figured i would suffer for another week. that night my feet from all the scratching i did in my sleep started to bleed. i wrapped my feet in bandages and went to the local hospital. i told the triage nurse that i suspected a really bad fungal infection, quite possibly an aggressive athlete's foot strain, she told the attending physician, he eventually came over, looked at my feet and the "rash" and "positively" informed me that there was no way it was athlete's foot because "location is the key with fungal infections, it's always limited to the webbing of the toes". the nurse re-wrapped my bandages and i was sent home with the recommendation that i see a specialist. by this time i had taken to wearing lond sleeve shirts and gloves so that people wouldn't see my condition but it had started to spread to my torso and neck.

i decided to go see a pharmacist friend of mine where i had worked doing deliveries when i was in high school. i walk in, ask for manny, after catching up a bit i ask him if i can show him something in private, we go to the back and i take of my gloves so he can see my hands. he immediately says "athlete's foot", i'm say "it is athlete's foot, isn't it", he says "yep" and asks me if it has started spreading to other parts of my body, like up my legs" i tell him it has and he says it's a common problem, as you scratch your feet with your hands you get it on your fingers and then as you put on your clothes, scratch other parts of your body, bathe, it spreads. he takes 2 tubes of ointment from the shelf, tells me to rub a light layer on all the parts affected, charges me $5 and 2 days later it was all gone.

it's really a sad state of affairs with the education system in this country, there's a huge divide between the quality of the education received from one institution and another. exasperating the problem is the fact that we, as a country, saw fit to institute "balancing acts" (i don't want to use the proper term because i don't want this thread to turn into a political discussion) in admission decisions, with the rational being to balance out social inequities.

i had a good friend, this beautiful black girl, she was built like a playboy bunny and one of the sweetest chicks i ever met. she wanted to be a doctor and she was in a pre-med program and she eventually got accepted into a top notch med school in atlanta. the problem is as much as i may have liked her, this chick should not have been accepted into med school. by her own admission she used to tell me that there weren't that many black female doctors and in order to "encourage" more "diversity" there were consideration made for her race and gender. i can't remember what her mcat score was but i remember her telling me that she didn't score that well but that she still got into med school. when i asked her how it was she managed to get in with such a score she told me that there were a handful of slots reserved for people that met certain criteria and since black female doctors are a rarity she met the criteria and was given one of those admission slots. this should not happen.

the fact of the matter is that there is a huge inequity in the quality of education received in a public school and that received in private school. the fact of the matter is that there is a huge inequity in the quality of education received in a public within an affluent community and that received in a poor community. i remember taking calculus classes while working towards a physics degree and having a 16 year old kid in one of my calc classed that was also going to public high school in a rather affluent area in nj. i remember talking to this kid and being shocked to find out that what i was learning in college for the first time he had already studied in high school and was just taking the classes for college credits. this kid had studied material that i only learned in calculus III while a junior!!! it's ridiculous that students in one school district get such a significantly better education than the students in another school district. the high school i went to only offered "advanced math" as the highest math classes you could take which was basically trig with a touch of calculus thrown in.

be that as it may, if that kid and i were both up for an opening to an engineering school, that kid should be given the slot, because once we get past the inequities and the why's of the difference in the amount of education we received, the bottom line still was that at the end of the day that kid had more knowledge than me and by a significant amount.

basically what i'm saying is that you don't correct social injustices by giving someone an unfair advantage at the end of the race, you correct the inequities by ensuring that the playing field is level from the get go, if we correct the disparity in the quality of the education starting with grade 1, then by the time we get to college there won't be any inequities to worry about and thus the justification for any "balancing act" disappears.

and after that essay, to answer the poll question:

how much education did i obtain? not enough.

[dadrab]

"Equality" is what got us here.

IQ can only be mandated into oblivion.

And, it's not up to the schools. It's up to the parents.

[deadrats]

it's not up to the schools. It's up to the parents.

preposterous!!! the parents aren't the ones that decide on a curriculum, they are not the ones that hire the teachers and they are not the ones that implement said curriculum, the schools do that. a person's parents can push, encourage, and support their child all the way but if the schools in that district are substandard so to will be the education that said child receives. a parent can't be expected to teach his/her kid calculus, chemistry, physics, biology, computer programming, etc, that's what the schools are for.

my parents pushed me as much as the next guy, i, in theory, have a near genius level IQ, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the public schools available to me had a curriculum where the highest level of math taught was pre-calc, a kid can't learn what is never taught to him/her.

lastly, "equality" is not what got us here, it's the fact that we pay lip service to equality yet do everything that we can to ensure that it's never achieved.

[edDV]

my parents pushed me as much as the next guy, i, in theory, have a near genius level IQ, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans when the public schools available to me had a curriculum where the highest level of math taught was pre-calc, a kid can't learn what is never taught to him/her.

lastly, "equality" is not what got us here, it's the fact that we pay lip service to equality yet do everything that we can to ensure that it's never achieved.

I partially agree. I was an Air Force brat that moved every three years or so to a new school. In my high school Junior year I was in a college level calculus class administered by Yale, then moved to a new high school with no advanced math option or any of the other courses I was taking.

Still I had to scramble to get into an engineering program at a university.

[fritzi93]

Masters Degree in English...

I presume you're a cultured, educated man. But not rich, am I right?

M.A. in History here. Historical Demography actually, but the diploma says History. By the time I got that diploma, I had decided I didn't want to teach, and wasn't suited to it. So what I do for a living bears no relation to my education.

Some of the worst asses I ever met have been supposedly well-educated. Educated beyond any innate good sense they may or may not have possessed. It's one reason I didn't pursue an academic career any further, I just couldn't bear the thought of associating with that type.

[dadrab]

it's not up to the schools. It's up to the parents.

preposterous!!! the parents aren't the ones that decide on a curriculum, they are not the ones that hire the teachers and they are not the ones that implement said curriculum, the schools do that.
lastly, "equality" is not what got us here, it's the fact that we pay lip service to equality yet do everything that we can to ensure that it's never achieved.

"Equality" is exactly what got us here. "Equality" is exactly why public schools teach to the lowest common denominator.

I don't give a damn who decides on curriculum; I give not a rat's ass who hires teachers. My job - my DUTY - as a parent is to give my kids what they need to function in life. If the school won't/can't teach it, I will. Why in the world would I leave the absolute education of my kids to chance? I've met their teachers. Most of them are bright, well-meaning souls who are driven to share what they know. Some of them are idiots who would be better suited bagging groceries. Others no longer give a damn. So, who exactly would you recommend to take up the slack? I know the answer. It's my wife and me. You can wax on poetic and lambast me all you want, but that's the bottom line.

We can live our lives blaming someone else for our shortcomings. It's very easy to blame government, too. And they deserve it to a degree. But it doesn't matter. Bureaucracy will not change to accomodate you or anyone else.

"Poor little fellow couldn't take calculus when he was young. Let's change the whole system to accomodate him." Now that's preposterous.

Ultimately though, it's our responsibility to make what we will of our lives and to teach our children to be self-sufficient.

Wollow in self pity if you want; or change yourself. The choice is yours, but you may rest assured that no one's going to change for you.

[dadrab]

Masters Degree in English...

I presume you're a cultured, educated man. But not rich, am I right?

Well, I don't know about "cultured." I do OK, I reckon. You're dead on the mark about not being rich, though.

Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy choices. 8)