Any way to get better quality out of vcd

[InNeedofHelp]

I have successfully made a vcd and would like better quality out of it. I have heard that it is very difficult to get better quality out of a vcd. So any program that I could use would be of great assistance. Thank you.

[rphunt]

TMPGEnc, using the VCD template gives very good quality. There are instructions on this site to help use it. But you MUST capture with a decent video format first, such as 352 X 240 AVI minimal.

[vitualis]

InNeedofHelp,

What are you trying to do exactly... dvd rip? capture? etc.

Regards.

[InNeedofHelp]

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On 2002-01-04 19:18:12, vitualis wrote:
InNeedofHelp,

What are you trying to do exactly... dvd rip? capture? etc.

Regards.

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Well I watched my burnt vcd and it looks choppy or even blocky like the picture is not too good. I don't know if I did something wrong or what but. I heard the a vcd looks as good as a vhs tape. I know the vhs tapes I have seen look better then the vcd I just burnt. I am just looking for a reason why it doesn't better quality. Thanks

[MovingPictures]

vcd + better quality = xvcd !

Try bitrate of 3000 kpbs and quality is fine.

Bye ...

[InNeedofHelp]

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On 2002-01-05 07:29:44, MovingPictures wrote:
vcd + better quality = xvcd !

Try bitrate of 3000 kpbs and quality is fine.

Bye ...

I know its nice but I want it compatible with my Sony dvd player.



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[davidian]

Check out my guide, it's all about these things:

http://medlem.tripodnet.nu/davidian/index.htm

[baker]

Why not try my guide for dvd2vcd, It's fast with excellent picture and sound.

Baker,

[rphunt]

I stand by my original post. If you're experiencing choppy and blocky or grainy quality, VCD can do better without fooling around with bit rates. Just use a better encoder like TMPEnc or LSX. But, it won't look EXACTLY like the original VHS.

[dphirschler]

Here's what I do:

1. Capture at 480x480 (352x480 is probably good enough too)

2. In Virtual Dub, use the following filters
- 'Telecide' which changes it back to progressive frames at ~24fps.
- 'Jim Casaburi's Temporal Cleaner' gives amazing results. Really cleans up and steadies the image. Be sure to check the "Process in YUV" box. My settings are YT=10, YL=4, UVT=10, UVL=8, Scene=30.
- 'xsharpen' set the settings low (strength=127, threshold=5). Just enough so you don't notice much change.
- resize to 352x240, crop the bottom vhs noise and center the image.

3. Frameserve it to TMPGenc.

4. In TMPGenc, use the 'inverse telecine' filter at '30fps flicker priority'. This removes the extra frames.

Encode that and it will look almost as good as a DVD rip.

The key for me is to get the video as clean and steady as I posibly can. That's why I use the temporal cleaner and the xsharpen filters. The cleaner the image is, the more bandwidth can be used for foreground moving objects and characters.

The telecide filters (along with capturing at ___x480 to get the interlacing), is to get the video back to progressive frames. Progressive frames at ~24fps will encode better because it is encoding fewer frames. Don't worry, your mpg file will have a flag in it telling the player to playback at ~30fps.

If you are ripping a DVD, do a 'Force Film' (in DVD2AVI) and the 'inverse telecine' filter in TMPGenc.

I've gotten amazing results with this technique.


Darryl


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