This is How to make Chapters like commerical VCD's

[Paradebh]

I used Videopak, vcdimager. etc... here one example:

1- One menu with 2 choices - Film and selection scenes
2- The film plays with various entrys (like a demovcd by Michael Tam, which don't works too) with a determined duration, for example 30 seconds. The next key (the second entry) will play the 30th second to 60th second (30 sec of duration). The same until the end. All entries works, but if i play "all" entry one (or 2,3,4....) between these entries has a little pause.

Other obsevation: I make a test video with a example 3 (videocd3.xml) with various entrypoints without pbc and the vcd plays continuous in my pionner dvd 525, but has entrypoints in my pc player. Why this happens?

Remember: Demovcd by Michael Tam works at the same mode in my player (little pauses after 30s, 60s, etc of video)

[vitualis]

The demo VCD I made "pauses" at the 30s and 60s marks because I stuffed up the XML...

If you read the "readme" file I mentioned this in the addendum. The problem is that the mpeg sequence referenced for the entrypoint example (the South Park trailer) also has "autopause" points defined. I didn't know that this could cause problems until after I finished authoring the disc (i.e., autopause defined on a mpeg sequence used as the background on a selection item --> pauses at the autopause points).

Paradebh, does the "Main Menu" of the demovcd I created also pause at regular intevals?? The animated main menu is in fact created with entrypoints.

In response to Starfire70's original post, he actually described a very good method for making entrypoints. I actually tried to demonstrate exactly what he is trying to explain in the demovcd under the section for entrypoints (and it would have worked if not for the autopause thing).

The disadvantage in just using playlist items for each entrypoint is the following:
Entrypoint 1: 0min of track
Entrypoint 2: 30min of track
Entrypoint 3: 60min of track

Say I set up the playlist items so that pressing next and prev will go between the entrypoints...
i.e., E1 <-> E2 <-> E3

If I select E2 and watch to the end of the movie, the movie won't simple go to another animation (e.g., a "next disc" screen). Rather, it will go back and start playing from the beginning of entrypoint 3. Once you've seen this behaviour, it kind of looks silly.

By using selection items for each entrypoint rather than a playlist item, you can still have the linked chapters with the next and prev, but you can take advantage of the "Timeout" option so that when you reach the end of the track, it will go to another track (e.g., main menu of next disc screen) rather than going to the next entrypoint.

Regards.

[adam]

right Paradebh those arent chapters according to the (s)vcd specs. The only chapters supported in the spec consist solely of entrypoints in a single track. you are using multiple tracks, one for each "chapter." While this is more along the lines of how a dvd would play, it is not supported in the spec and actually will not play seamlessly on most dvd players. Essentially what you are doing is simulating chapters.

If you were to create only entrypoints your chapters would be compliant and you would never see any gaps between chapters, however your manoeuvering from one chapter to another would obviously be more limited.

[Paradebh]

Oh my god! Nobody believe me! One track, (I say one track, no various tracks) with variuos entries. This demovcd has two option, one with pauses (I see the pause in my standalone display) and other without pause, correct!? Both plays with gaps. I can't understand that.

[Paradebh]

Is this correct? PLay a entry for a period, the next key play other entry for other period, to avoid pauses. Playlist id 02 play from 0s to 20s, id 03 play from 20s to 40s, etc....


</selection>
<playlist id="02">
<prev ref="menu"/>
<next ref="03"/>
<return ref="menu/>
<playtime>20.000000</playtime>
<wait>0</wait>
<autowait>0</autowait>
<play-item ref="sequence-00"/>
</playlist>
<playlist id="03">
<prev ref="menu"/>
<next ref="04"/>
<return ref="menu"/>
<playtime>20.000000</playtime>
<wait>0</wait>
<autowait>0</autowait>
<play-item ref="entry-001"/>
</playlist>

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-03 07:42:58, Paradebh wrote:
Oh my god! Nobody believe me! One track, (I say one track, no various tracks) with variuos entries. This demovcd has two option, one with pauses (I see the pause in my standalone display) and other without pause, correct!? Both plays with gaps. I can't understand that.
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Um... what are you doing exactly? Since I made that demo vcd I know what I'm talking about.

The Entrypoints menu has 5 options.
1. Starts playing at 0 seconds of the Sth Park trailer
2. Starts playing at 30 seconds
3. Starts playing at 60 seconds
4. Info screens on how it was authored
5. General info screen on entrypoints

The south park trailer DOESN'T play from beginning to end without pausing because I STUFFED UP THE XML by including autopause settings in the sequence item.

Now, does the Main Menu play without pausing from start to finish? The main menu ALSO uses entrypoints (in fact in almost exactly the same fashion as the south park trailer).

Regards.

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-03 08:33:51, Paradebh wrote:
Is this correct? PLay a entry for a period, the next key play other entry for other period, to avoid pauses. Playlist id 02 play from 0s to 20s, id 03 play from 20s to 40s, etc....


</selection>
<playlist id="02">
<prev ref="menu"/>
<next ref="03"/>
<return ref="menu/>
<playtime>20.000000</playtime>
<wait>0</wait>
<autowait>0</autowait>
<play-item ref="sequence-00"/>
</playlist>
<playlist id="03">
<prev ref="menu"/>
<next ref="04"/>
<return ref="menu"/>
<playtime>20.000000</playtime>
<wait>0</wait>
<autowait>0</autowait>
<play-item ref="entry-001"/>
</playlist>

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No, this WILL NOT work -- there will be a short pause at the end of the playtime as it goes to the next entrypoint.

Paradebh, have a look at the original XML included in the demo VCD. The XML specific to the bit on the entrypoints IS CORRECT. Using that model, you will be able to create entrypoints that are seemless.

Now, look at the [sequence-item] for the south park trailer and note how the entrypoints were created. Now, note the autopause settings. DELETE THE AUTOPAUSE SETTINGS.

The autopause settings are there for the "autopause" example of the demo VCD and HAS NOTHING to do with the entrypoints example. DO NOT USE AUTOPAUSE SETTINGS WHEN CREATING ENTRYPOINTS!!!

Regards.

_________________
Michael Tam

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[Arien]

Ok people, i am terribly confused by all these different posts about chapters in a VCD (or entrypoints).

- I have one mpg file of about 700 Mb which is one movie.

- I normally use NERO to burn cd's.

- Now, i want to be able to skip ahead in steps of let's say 15 minutes in a movie. (so there is a new chapter every 15 mins.)

- How do i do this without cutting the mpg and with seamless playback?

- what burning program is recommended?

Thanks!

[NickGardel]

Same question for me. I have a 530Mb MPG file of a Music Concert. I want to be able to see the concert in totality OR to jump onto the differents songs. Without any pause between the song and maybe a little menu with the name of the song.
Burning Software ? How to encode VCD ?

I've tried with VCDImagerGUI (burn with Nero or Fireburner), Nero 5.5.18 or Roxio Video CD Creator, but I still have to split the file and it makes pause between the during the reading.

[wcb4]

what would be useful would be if someone who really knew vcdimager really well were to make a sample xml file that would do the following:

have 2 menu screens
1st screen use 1.jpg as a bkgrnd image, have 5 entries, each for an entry point 5 minutes apart and have a way to go to the next menu screen

2nd menu screen use 2.jpg as a bkgrnd image, only need one entry on this one, but have a way back to the previous scrren.

I think this as an example file would tell us just about everything we could need to know about getting a nice basic menuing system. I can think of a few other things that would be cool to do, but I don't wanna press my luck

how bout it vitualis?

[vitualis]

I believe that what you want has already been covered in one of the XML examples in the XML repository on the VCDImager site.

BTW, you can't use JPEG images in a VCD. It must be encoded as a MPEG still. There are numerous ways of doing this. The easiest (and probably most to spec) is to use Nero or CDMotion to create a VCD disc image for you with the still images you want and then ripping the image with VCDXRIP.

Someone recently posted a very clever method of using TMPGEnc to encode to hi-res and normal-res stills, muxing them and then doing a hex edit (actually, I don't remember if he did the hex edit). If you search for it, you should find it.

Regards.

[PigOnWing]

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On 2001-07-03 22:17:35, vitualis wrote:
[Regarding his Demo VCD]
The Entrypoints menu has 5 options.
1. Starts playing at 0 seconds of the Sth Park trailer
2. Starts playing at 30 seconds
3. Starts playing at 60 seconds
4. Info screens on how it was authored
5. General info screen on entrypoints

The south park trailer DOESN'T play from beginning to end without pausing because I STUFFED UP THE XML by including autopause settings in the sequence item.
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Er... in my player it does. Play from beginning to end, that is.
The autopause thingy work when selceting the autopause demo from the menu.
The autopause thingy doesn't interfere when selecting from the menu you just described.

Hmm.
Defining the movie as background to an [invisible] menu is interesting, I'll try looking into that.

What seems strange to me, is that menus, 'special definitions' of PREV and NEXT buttons, timeouts etc, are all part of PBC. And there are definately Chaptered VCDs which use VCD1.1, which has no PBC at all - Harry Dodgson mentioned his Pink Floyd VCD, and the first XML example that includes entrypoints (aka Chapters) at the VCDImager site, is actually a rip of a VCD1.1 with no pbc.

Personally, I think that going for VCD1.1 with no PBC would be satisfactiory for many people here, and at any rate would be the first point to go when dealing with chaptered VCDs - first figuring out how to do just chapters, which will yield us similar results as we're familiar with in audio CD (yes, yes, we all know by know that it isn't done the same, that's exactly our problem ), then, afterwards, go for more 'special' features, menuing, timeouts, etc. - as we were 'spoiled' to know in DVD-sort fashion.

Logically, I would say that if there's a standard way to do Chapters in VCD1.1, it would also be supported in VCD2.0, and that if players have a problem recognizing it that way, they won't recognize it in VCD2.0 either - then again, logic doesn't always prove itself right.

I hereby commit myself, once this subject is actually figured out, to a pretty much all-working and foolproof method (well, until they'll make better fools who'll built even less compatible DVD players), to write a tutorial about chaptering VCDs with VCDImager.

But first... well, first I need to get it working...

-- Piggie

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-14 06:54:06, PigOnWing wrote:
The autopause thingy doesn't interfere when selecting from the menu you just described.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

But it does for most people who have written to me... and it does for me too. I think that when I authored that, I hit upon a grey area in White Book (I had actually hit several "grey areas" when I was authoring the demo VCD, but I removed them before finalising the disc) and how it is interpreted depends on your particular player.

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Defining the movie as background to an [invisible] menu is interesting, I'll try looking into that.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

This is just using "selection-items" for the individual chapters as I've written to you before.

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Not so strange at all. Entrypoints are defined in both VCD1.1 and VCD2.0 (read the VCDImager manual). However, the entrypoints system in VCD1.1 are not universally honored by players (i.e., the prev and next buttons don't go to the previous and next entrypoints, but rather the previous and next tracks).

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True. If it only worked universally though...

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>Logically, I would say that if there's a standard way to do Chapters in VCD1.1, it would also be supported in VCD2.0, and that if players have a problem recognizing it that way, they won't recognize it in VCD2.0 either - then again, logic doesn't always prove itself right.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Not necessarily. The entrypoint system in VCD1.1 depends completely on the hardware interpretation of the VCD player. The entrypoint system in VCD2.0 depends entirely on the interpretation of the PBC -- and if this isn't done correctly, then the player can't call itself VCD2.0 compliant. Some players only say that they are VCD2.0 compliant and not VCD1.1 compliant (presumable because whoever made the thing never bothered testing it for VCD1.1).

Regards,
Michael Tam

[PigOnWing]

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Defining the movie as background to an [invisible] menu is interesting, I'll try looking into that.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

This is just using "selection-items" for the individual chapters as I've written to you before.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Something else strikes me as a possibility, but it's based on really vague understanding of a glance of a comment that you made, so I might be talking rubbish here: You mentioned something regarding 'timeout' definition for selection items, and by using them bypassing the 'limitation' of the movie jumping off from the end of the movie to the next entrypoint - does the 'timeout' definition can give, actually, on a practical level, some kind of 'programming abilities', which will actually be able to define 'after timeout X, the Next and Previous buttons have new definitions, taken from the next entry point" and to go on with all entrypoints?

What I'm thinking about, is that if the timeout definition you mentioned is a workaround to cause the movie to actually stop when it reaches then end, then 'multiple/nested' timeouts may give us a workaround for the next and previous button to actually seem to work intuitively throughout the movie.

Just a thought. It's unbased, and take it as it's stated above: it may be total rubbish.

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Not so strange at all. Entrypoints are defined in both VCD1.1 and VCD2.0 (read the VCDImager manual). However, the entrypoints system in VCD1.1 are not universally honored by players (i.e., the prev and next buttons don't go to the previous and next entrypoints, but rather the previous and next tracks).</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Ah.
Taking this line of thought, the players that don't honour the VCD1.1 entrypoints as Chapters, actually don't honour them in VCD2.0 either - in DIRECT access - but only when a specific entrypoint is called directly from a selection menu - am I correct in this?

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Or, rather, the entrypoint is the same, but if the player only supports entry-point-access through PBC, then it probably doesn't support entrypoints in VCD1.1 (and vice-versa). Same line of thoughts as above.

Hm. That gave me some food for thought for today. And tomorrow, probably.

<personal>
Michael, I owe you an apology. I just now checked my E-Mail after a few days and found out that you've actually sent me a detailed XML example three days ago. Mea culpa - I didn't see it until now. That will certainly give me something to work on for the meanwhile and get a little smarter. I promise some feedback.
</personal>

-- Piggie

[hvr]

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just to add some information; it is perfectly ok to have a VCD2.0 or SVCD without PBC.

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actually they should be aequivalent, just that VCD2.0 adds the feature to make use of entrypoints additionally through PBC.

ps: afaik philips DVD players seem to honor entrypoints as chapter markers...

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-14 23:01:50, PigOnWing wrote:
You mentioned something regarding 'timeout' definition for selection items, and by using them bypassing the 'limitation' of the movie jumping off from the end of the movie to the next entrypoint - does the 'timeout' definition can give, actually, on a practical level, some kind of 'programming abilities', which will actually be able to define 'after timeout X, the Next and Previous buttons have new definitions, taken from the next entry point" and to go on with all entrypoints?</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

I think I understand you... and the answer is no. The problem is that when you choose an entrypoint to start playing, it doesn't know when it has reached the next entrypoint. I don't think that there is any way (seamless way) that you can make the player be aware of this. Thus, say I've played from chapter1 to 5 and then press "next", I go to chapter2. I can't think of a way around this with PBC.

The timeout function works as such... After the entire sequence has finished playing, the VCD player DOESN'T automatically go to "NEXT". This is because a selection item is used. It WILL ONLY automatically go to NEXT for a playlist item.

For a selection item, it will go to what is defined in "timeout" after the specified time defined in "wait". If timeout is NOT defined and the wait is over (i.e., wait is not indefinite AND looping isn't indefinite), then the player will actually randomly choose one of the selection choices and go there. If there are no selection choices, I believe that you've reached a PBC black hole (I've actually "hung" my stand-alone VCD player with one of these).

Regards.

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-15 00:38:36, hvr wrote:
ps: afaik philips DVD players seem to honor entrypoints as chapter markers...

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I suppose that it makes sense that Philips would make their players compliant to their own standards. It's good to know!

Regards.

[RFontenot]

With the Philips VCD Toolkit, you CAN create sequences which automatically perform the "Next" function. This allows you to create nested chapter sequences so you can use your "Previous" and "Next" buttons to move back and forth between the current, previous, and next chapters.

You can assign each chapter sequence to a # button on a selection menu, so you can start from any chapter. With nested sequences, each sequence will call the next until it gets to the last sequence, which you can define to call the selection menu. I also define the "Return" button to call the selection menu, so I have a way of breaking out anywhere along the way.

You don't have to nest sequences, however. You can also define a chapter sequence to return to the selection menu after it has reached the end of the chapter.

RF

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-17 13:08:38, RFontenot wrote:
With the Philips VCD Toolkit, you CAN create sequences which automatically perform the "Next" function. This allows you to create nested chapter sequences so you can use your "Previous" and "Next" buttons to move back and forth between the current, previous, and next chapters.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes... but say I start playing from chapter1 and then press "next" halfway through chapter5, does it go to chapter2 or chapter6?

As far as I know, there is no seamless way of make this work perfectly in a logical sense like on a DVD... unless the VCD Toolkit does some sort of pbc wizardry we're all not aware off? Please post more info if this is true!

Regards.

[RFontenot]

Yes, it's true. When using nested chapter sequences, if I start at chapter 1 and press "next" in the middle of chapter 5, chapter 6 will start. If I press "previous" instead, chapter 4 will be replayed, and if I press "return", I will be returned to the chapter selection menu.

The actions above are not predetermined, they are chosen. Each sequence can have it's own branching instructions for "next", previous, and "return". At the end of the sequence, the "next" branch, if defined, is followed. If the "next" branch is not defined, then the sequence returns to the menu that called it.

Nesting the sequences is simply a matter of defining the "next" branch to call the next chapter sequence, and defining the "previous" branch to call the prior chapter. I usually define the "return" branch of each sequence to return to the chapter selection menu.

RF

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-17 21:02:49, RFontenot wrote:
Yes, it's true. When using nested chapter sequences, if I start at chapter 1 and press "next" in the middle of chapter 5, chapter 6 will start. If I press "previous" instead, chapter 4 will be replayed, and if I press "return", I will be returned to the chapter selection menu.
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Yes, just as I thought. This works just like any other VCD Authoring proggy (VideoPack4, VCDImager, I-Author, etc).

Thanks for the clarification.

Regards.

[RFontenot]

PigOnWing asked if it was possible to nest sequences together to redefine the next and previous keys. You initially said it wasn't, but you now seem to be saying any program can do this. Please clarify.

RF

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-18 12:38:22, RFontenot wrote:
PigOnWing asked if it was possible to nest sequences together to redefine the next and previous keys. You initially said it wasn't, but you now seem to be saying any program can do this. Please clarify.

RF
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I think you are misinterpreting (or perhaps I am) his post.

My impression was that he was asking when playing any particular selection item (okay -- we may be having a terminology problem here as well -- I'm refering to how things are named in VCDImager) was selected and starts playing (e.g., say I select "chapter 1") then would it be possible for the originally defined "prev", "next", "default", etc., to change to something else after a specific time (say, after 10 minutes, "next" goes to "chapter3" rather than the originally definted "chapter2").

I believe that the answer to this is NO if you want seamless playback. I believe that this is what you mean too. I don't really know by what you mean by "nest". I know what I'm doing, but I don't have a name for it...

Regards.