Adobe Premiere

[houseng]

Hello.. can anyone help me? i recorded some movies with my camcorder. then i want to edit them in my computer. but since TMPGenc does'nt allow advance editing, so i used adobe premiere to edit them. but after i edit, i wanna convert them to MPEG2 using TMPGenc, so what output file should i output from adobe premiere?

i tried to output my edited videos to AVI full frames (no compression), but the mpeg2 encoded from the uncompressed AVI makes me dizzy.

can anyone give tips?

[Tommyknocker]

Yes, go to www.videotools.net, and see about the video server plugin. It lets you send edited Premiere files directly to TMPGEnc with saving them first.

[stackner]

YOU COULD ALSO USE (PLUGIN PAC FRAME SERER) AND IT IS NOT A BETA

[lchiu7]

Doesn't Premier Pro have a builtin MPEG2 encoder licensed from Mainconcept? What did you want to use TMPGENC for?

[daamon]

YOU COULD ALSO USE (PLUGIN PAC FRAME SERER) AND IT IS NOT A BETA

PluginPac FrameServer - Just so's the original poster gets the link. I use it from Premiere v6.0 - it's nice 'n' easy.

[hiptune]

But why does ProCoder handle Adobe Premiere avi's but Tmpgenc does not?

Is this a codec issue, or some other issue(s).

No Really?

Jeff

[daamon]

But why does ProCoder handle Adobe Premiere avi's but Tmpgenc does not?

I frameserve from Premiere 6.0 to TMPGEnc no problem. It'd help if you quoted error messages, what the problem is rather than "why don't it work?" - any pertinent / useful info...

[hiptune]

But why does ProCoder handle Adobe Premiere avi's but Tmpgenc does not?

I frameserve from Premiere 6.0 to TMPGEnc no problem. It'd help if you quoted error messages, what the problem is rather than "why don't it work?" - any pertinent / useful info...

oh, sorry fer faks sake. Everyone knows that you have to frameserve to tmpgenc. There is the answer to your own question, as you know already. Please tell us about why you must do this. I have no problem, as I use Procoder for avi's from Premiere Pro. No frameserving needed.

Jeff

[stackner]

hahahaha. well many of us frameserve from premiere to tmpgenc becouse we like tmpgenc's encoder a hell of a lot better. i find the end result with it to be a much better quality mpeg than with premiere's built in encoder. i also find that if i frameserve to tmpgenc not only to i get better quality but it also encodes in atleast half the time.

so now i ask why NOT frameserve? unless you can't lol

[daamon]

oh, sorry fer faks sake.

Calm down, I'm trying to help - getting arsey is not the way to elicit aid.

Your original question is open to various interpretations. As the original poster was talking about frameserving, I opted for that interpretation of your question. If you want the correct answer, ask the right (precise) question. I'm not a mind-reader.

Please tell us about why you must do this. I have no problem, as I use Procoder for avi's from Premiere Pro. No frameserving needed.

There are two benefits to frameserving (the former being the major one):

1. No disk space required: Frameserving from Premiere (or anything else) to TMPGEnc (or anything else) removes the need to save the project to file, useful if you're tight on disk space, because it passes each frame, as and when requested, via memory.
2. Time: You don't have to wait while the output is rendered and then saved to file (DV AVI in my case). Admittedly, it's not a great time-saving but, for longer footage, removes the need - why wait unneccessarily?

Some frameservers, like AviSynth, can also perform functions on the video as it serves it (resizing, filtering etc.) - very powerful and useful.

Hope that helps...

[hiptune]

hahahaha. well many of us frameserve from premiere to tmpgenc becouse we like tmpgenc's encoder a hell of a lot better. i find the end result with it to be a much better quality mpeg than with premiere's built in encoder. i also find that if i frameserve to tmpgenc not only to i get better quality but it also encodes in atleast half the time.

so now i ask why NOT frameserve? unless you can't lol

Yeah, you betcha get better results with tmpgenc than premiere's encoder, but you ain't getting jack diddley over canopus' ProCoder, which needs no frame serving. That is what I am asking, in the event you missed that part of the thread. I won't restate the question, I'll let you go reread it.

Jeff

[daamon]

Having read the latest post, it seems you're asking why TMPGEnc over Canopus Procoder? Personal choice (based on reading alot here), budget etc. That was my influencing factors.

[hiptune]

oh, sorry fer faks sake.

Calm down, I'm trying to help - getting arsey is not the way to elicit aid.

Your original question is open to various interpretations. As the original poster was talking about frameserving, I opted for that interpretation of your question. If you want the correct answer, ask the right (precise) question. I'm not a mind-reader.

Please tell us about why you must do this. I have no problem, as I use Procoder for avi's from Premiere Pro. No frameserving needed.

There are two benefits to frameserving (the former being the major one):

1. No disk space required: Frameserving from Premiere (or anything else) to TMPGEnc (or anything else) removes the need to save the project to file, useful if you're tight on disk space, because it passes each frame, as and when requested, via memory.
2. Time: You don't have to wait while the output is rendered and then saved to file (DV AVI in my case). Admittedly, it's not a great time-saving but, for longer footage, removes the need - why wait unneccessarily?

Some frameservers, like AviSynth, can also perform functions on the video as it serves it (resizing, filtering etc.) - very powerful and useful.

Hope that helps...

I am calm, loud and brash, and I like it. And I ain't sweating it and I sure as hell ain't looking for aid. Pleeze.

In all seriousness, it sounds like you enjoy the flexibility in frame serving for your needs. But I have large hard drives, and have other options for filtering and sizing, etc. Those are not advantages to me. And I need back ups of all my avi's for other encodes, and other cuts of the material.

I still would like to know if this is a codec issue? I think that is precise as it gets.

Jeff

[daamon]

But why does ProCoder handle Adobe Premiere avi's but Tmpgenc does not? Is this a codec issue, or some other issue(s).

I still would like to know if this is a codec issue?

Before I frameserved, I used Premiere 6.0 to save to DV AVI, and then TMPGEnc to encode. I've not used Premiere Pro, but have read in a few posts that people consider it buggy. A possible cause?

When you save to AVI from Premiere Pro, what type of AVI do you choose? Use AVICodec to get info on the AVI file and post back. Also, when you say "TMPGEnc does not" - what error message are you getting / problem are you encountering?

[houseng]

But why does ProCoder handle Adobe Premiere avi's but Tmpgenc does not? Is this a codec issue, or some other issue(s).

I still would like to know if this is a codec issue?

Before I frameserved, I used Premiere 6.0 to save to DV AVI, and then TMPGEnc to encode. I've not used Premiere Pro, but have read in a few posts that people consider it buggy. A possible cause?

When you save to AVI from Premiere Pro, what type of AVI do you choose? Use AVICodec to get info on the AVI file and post back. Also, when you say "TMPGEnc does not" - what error message are you getting / problem are you encountering?

u said u save to DV AVI from premiere 6, thats wat i did, but i dont think TMPGenc can encode a DV avi...i tried many times.. and tips?

[lchiu7]

I played around with Premiere Pro for a while. What I wanted to do was take files recorded off TV in MJPEG format, edit them and then convert to MPEG2. I gave up in the end because as soon as I edited the files the sound went out of sync and Adobe on their forums weren't able to offer much help. Now I just edit the files in Virtualdub and frameserver to Mainconcept.

But when I was using Premier I was able to

1. use the builting mpeg2 encoder in Premiere (supplied by Mainconcept)
2. Frameserver to Mainconcept
3. Frameserve to tmpgenc


BTW 1. was the fastest, followed by 2. and then 3.

the last two using the freeware framserve software that is available on the net

For Premiere 6.5 I think Adobe used a different mpeg2 encoder so frameserving was more useful

[northcat_8]

u said u save to DV AVI from premiere 6, thats wat i did, but i dont think TMPGenc can encode a DV avi...i tried many times.. and tips?

What you want to do is export the AVI's from Premiere as uncompressed. Then use TMPGEnc Plus to convert the AVI to MPEG-2 and to Demux the sound. Then use TMPGEnc DVD Author to make your DVD.

You are skipping the TMPGEnc Plus step. TMPGEnc DVD Author does not support AVI files. This process will work...I do it all the time.

Premiere's DV-AVI sucks, Microsoft's DV-AVI is just as bad, and Premiere's MPEG-2 encoder has some issues and I personally don't like the quality...I always have interlace issues with it.

[daamon]

Premiere's DV-AVI sucks...

I find that a surprising statement coz Premiere uses the Mainconcept DV Codec, and I thought that was supposed to be one of the better / good ones?

Is it a known fact that "it sucks", i.e. general consensus?

Does frameserving bypass the use of the codec?

u said u save to DV AVI from premiere 6, thats wat i did, but i dont think TMPGenc can encode a DV avi...i tried many times.. and tips?

What leads you to say you don't think TMPGEnc can encode to DV AVI? What problems have you encountered? Post any error messages. What version of TMPGEnc are you using?

[houseng]

Premiere's DV-AVI sucks...

I find that a surprising statement coz Premiere uses the Mainconcept DV Codec, and I thought that was supposed to be one of the better / good ones?

Is it a known fact that "it sucks", i.e. general consensus?

Does frameserving bypass the use of the codec?

u said u save to DV AVI from premiere 6, thats wat i did, but i dont think TMPGenc can encode a DV avi...i tried many times.. and tips?

What leads you to say you don't think TMPGEnc can encode to DV AVI? What problems have you encountered? Post any error messages. What version of TMPGEnc are you using?

erm no.... i mean i can encode the original captured DV AVI, but not the mircosoft DV avi i output from premiere. i capture from my camcorder and output to microsoft DV. tmpgenc says file not supported

[hiptune]

Premiere's DV-AVI sucks...

I find that a surprising statement coz Premiere uses the Mainconcept DV Codec, and I thought that was supposed to be one of the better / good ones?

Is it a known fact that "it sucks", i.e. general consensus?

Canopus and Sony are two of the better ones.

But at any rate, you have not been able to help with my questions. You might try importing into tmpgenc with out frameserving, and see what happens. Then you might understand what all the fuss is about.

Thanks anyway,
Jef

[daamon]

erm no.... i mean i can encode the original captured DV AVI, but not the mircosoft DV avi i output from premiere. i capture from my camcorder and output to microsoft DV. tmpgenc says file not supported

Two things, as northcat_8 said. Microsoft DV AVI isn't the best (it's Microsoft, 'nuff said!) so, if you can, don't use it - use the DV AVI instead, or uncompressed. Better still, frameserve...

It might be because the Microsoft DV AVI is coming out as type 1 DV AVI, when TMPGEnc very much prefers type 2. I did read up on the differences but can't remember now. All that I needed to know is that I wanted type 2 DV AVI for TMPGEnc.

There is a tool called DV Type 1 to DV Type 2 Converter - name speaks for itself... There's also Canopus DV File Converter. I haven't used either...

P.S. It looks like your "Disable BBCode in this post" is ticked - that's why you're quotes look as they do. This is probably set in your profile and so will happen every time. Just untick it in your profile. You can even go back to existing posts, click "Edit" and re-submit without the box ticked.

[daamon]

Canopus and Sony are two of the better ones.

Thanks. If I can get hold of those DV codecs, do you know how I can get Premiere to use either of those over the Mainconcept one it comes with? I'd like to avoid uninstalling it if I can...

But at any rate, you have not been able to help with my questions.

Sorry, I've lost track of this now... I've re-read the thread and still not quite clear on what you're asking. Do we give up, or persevere? If the former: sorry I couldn't help. If the latter, shall we start from scratch with you re-stating your question / problem?

You might try importing into tmpgenc with out frameserving, and see what happens. Then you might understand what all the fuss is about.

That's how I did it originally. I have to confess I haven't ruthlessly studied them for quality differences, but both looked perfectly OK to me. As long as I'm happy I suppose...

[houseng]

erm no.... i mean i can encode the original captured DV AVI, but not the mircosoft DV avi i output from premiere. i capture from my camcorder and output to microsoft DV. tmpgenc says file not supported

Two things, as northcat_8 said. Microsoft DV AVI isn't the best (it's Microsoft, 'nuff said!) so, if you can, don't use it - use the DV AVI instead, or uncompressed. Better still, frameserve...

It might be because the Microsoft DV AVI is coming out as type 1 DV AVI, when TMPGEnc very much prefers type 2. I did read up on the differences but can't remember now. All that I needed to know is that I wanted type 2 DV AVI for TMPGEnc.

There is a tool called DV Type 1 to DV Type 2 Converter - name speaks for itself... There's also Canopus DV File Converter. I haven't used either...

P.S. It looks like your "Disable BBCode in this post" is ticked - that's why you're quotes look as they do. This is probably set in your profile and so will happen every time. Just untick it in your profile. You can even go back to existing posts, click "Edit" and re-submit without the box ticked.

erm... the DV type 1 to type 2 converter dont work with the microsoft dv avi, it says its not a DV type 1 file??! how to output dv type 1 file from premiere? i only see Microsoft DV avi, Microsoft avi...etc

[daamon]

It might be because the Microsoft DV AVI is coming out as type 1 DV AVI...

erm... the DV type 1 to type 2 converter dont work with the microsoft dv avi, it says its not a DV type 1 file??! how to output dv type 1 file from premiere? i only see Microsoft DV avi, Microsoft avi...etc

Use AVICodec on the AVI that's output using the Microsoft DV AVI codec. That might reveal something...

When you try to load the "Microsoft DV" AVI into TMPGEnc, what are you getting? What problem / error message?

[hiptune]

When you try to load the "Microsoft DV" AVI into TMPGEnc, what are you getting? What problem / error message?

no error message, I get a solid black screen, with perfect audio.

Jeff

[daamon]

Hi

Mmm... I've not come across that, and don't recall seeing it in the forums. The following is a quote from TMPGEnc common problems and tips

"If you have problem open DV AVI files
First install a DV Codec and be sure that you can play DV AVI with Media Player.

Then try change the directshow reader priority, in TMPGEnc under Option->Environmental settings->VFAPI plug-in and right click on the DirectShow Multimedia File Reader and increase the priority to 2 or to the top of the plugin-list and reopen the video.

If that doesn't help you may need to convert the DV to Canopus reference DV (TMPGEnc do not support Microsoft DV AVI 1)."

I don't know if it'll help... Sorry.

@ houseng - How about you?

[Zetti]

But when I was using Premier I was able to

1. use the builting mpeg2 encoder in Premiere (supplied by Mainconcept)
2. Frameserver to Mainconcept
3. Frameserve to tmpgenc


BTW 1. was the fastest, followed by 2. and then 3.

the last two using the freeware framserve software that is available on the net

Please, what frameserve sw ?

Please, can anyone explain me, or point the right guide, on how to frameserve from Premiere *PRO* to TMPGEnc ? Or to other encoders like CCE or Procoder ?
Thanks, I am confused...

Zetti

[daamon]

Hi Zetti,

Install PluginPac FrameServer - I use it with Premiere 6.0, so should be OK with Pro.

When exporting timeline as a movie, choose pluginpac rather than "DV AVI" etc. Then, use the file saved in Premiere as the file for TMPGEnc etc.

[hiptune]

With Procoder there is no need to frameserve, it works perfectly with it that extra step.

Jeff

[hiptune]

Daamon, have you changed the topic here with these posts?

Should be in encoding, not authoring. But whatever.

By the way, there is no error that comes up in tmpgenc, it simply gives you a balck screen with no video to encode.

But with Procoder, the file from Premiere Pro is fine, no need to frameserve.

Ok, you must have learned somehting here, even if you were not able to shine any light on the real issues.

Let's move on now unless you have some real solutions to add rather than asking what the problems are, what the errors given are, etc. and then offering up no answers other than to frameserve.

Jeff