[SVCD with Subs] Almost there...

[devilzdog]

I posted some other topics in here.. and I'm almost there (with some help of very nice ppl)

But now my final (and hopely last) problem:

I downloaded Virtual Dub Mod (instead of Virtual Dub, with that thing I couldn't open the .mpg) ... and now I can load the file.... but I already have a .mpg, so if I do everything as in the guide, after load it and load the subtitle-filter this stands:

"Now it's time to Encode the frameserved video to MPG. Launch TMPGEnc.
Open the .vdr by select Files of types: All files.
And now it's just to select VCD Templates or SVCD Template and Encode"

But I already have a .MPG ...so how can I save the current thing with subtitle and everything as .MPG

(If U're Dutch or Belgies, PM me dan int nederlands!)

PLS answer!!!

[adam]

I assume you are trying to hard encode the subs into the picture using a subtitle filter of some sort? If so there is no way to avoid re-encoding. It doesn't matter that your source may already be mpg and (S)VCD compliant, if you want hard encoded subs then they must physically be encoded into the picture, and thus you must re-encode the entire thing.

Now SVCDs support what are called soft encoded subtitles. These are essentially similar to what DVDs use, where the subtitles are stored as a stream which can be overlayed on top of the video. If you go this route you will not have to re-encode the mpg, you can just "mux" the subs into the mpg stream. You can do this with WinSubMux but unfortunately very few SVCD players support subbed SVCDs well, or at all. You may want to check the dvd player list on this site first to see whether your player will even play such a disk. Also realize that there are two different sub styles which SVCDs can use. The philips "SVCD" style subs are overall less compatible but are the only ones supported on Philips players. The "CVD" style subs are overall more compatible, but you will just have to try them both to see which one your player likes best. WinSubMux gives you the option of which to use, and you could actually even include both if you wanted to.

VCDs, however, do not support soft encoded subs. If you are going this route, there is no way avoiding re-encoding the mpg.


Now I don't know what guide, if any, you are following but I suggest you go back to VirtualDub. VdubMod apparantly is not very stable when it comes to mpg sources, and most likely you will run into sync problems down the line. If you want to load an mpg into VirtualDub, then you need to frameserve via either VFAPI converter or Avisynth. You can follow my mini guides on these processes under the section titled "Frameserving" here: http://users3.ev1.net/~CavemanLawyer/Stills_with_VirtualDub.htm

Its actually quite simple and only takes a few secs to setup.

Good luck.

[devilzdog]

I tryed to fix the job with WinSubMux before... but it took 8 hours for 1 % (percent) so that would be 80 hours for one CD
I don't think that went well... so if you know the answer of this problem (problem: 80 hours) I really wanna hear it

Anyway thnx!

[Gazorgan]

I like bad kung-fu movies, so I'm intimately familiar with subs. For SVCD's I usually used DVD2SVCD. It supports subs just fine. That's working form the DVD.

No matter what you do, for SVCD subs your going to have to encode(haven't found a player yet that did streamed subs correctly or in sync). Ideally you encode once to MPG. If you have a subbless MPEG, then your going to have to encode again, no way around it.

VDUB and frameserving is still valid, follow the AVI guide. When you reading the subs you dont' notice the artifacts from a second encode as much

[adam]

Gazorgan I disagree. Soft encoded subs in SVCDs definitely aren't well supported, but there are still many players that will play them correctly and in sync. Philips players play subbed SVCDs flawlessly as long as the playtime doesn't exceed 40 mins, ok that's not exactly ideal but the subs still work fine.

Most Apex's also have absolutely no problem with subbed SVCDs, and in fact all of my ~75 subbed SVCDs play fine on my Apex.

I would definitely suggest trying to create soft encoded subs first before doing hard encoded ones. Furthermore he wants multiple subs, which is really only practical with soft encoded ones, otherwise your movie will just look like a CNN broadcast.

devilzdog. You loaded an mpg into WinSubMux correct? If you load an m2v or mpv video stream than it will take ages. Otherwise I have no idea what the problem is, it always worked fine for me in the past. You may have better luck with Submux, which is the precursor to WinSubMux. If you do some googling you may be able to find it. Also I-Author and Philips SVCD creator can create soft encoded subtitle'd mpgs, but only if you use those programs to author as well...which presents other problems.

[Gazorgan]

I missed the multiple subs part. If he goes for Multiple Audio then he's trying for a grand slam :P My Apex plays my subs, but it's the only player that does (that I've been able to validly test, and then they are cuttoff if it's a long winded speech). I need to find a player with my APEX's compatabilites and is progressive with real audio output.

[robert@75]

Hi Dog
Download and try cyberlink power director2.55 at gocyberlink.com Use the mpeg 2 custom setting at 480x480 and run a few tests. Good quality and fast. then burn to svcd . I use their power producer2 To burn and add chapters . U might like it.


Bob

[earlneath]

Hi Gazorgan, do you mean that the subs have to be hard-encoded rather than muxed on? Can this be achieved with DVD2SVCD? I have produced SVCDs with DVD2SVCD and the subs are invisible on my Liteon LVD2001 and on my computer. I then winsubmuxed the sub file onto the mpeg file but same result...

I like bad kung-fu movies, so I'm intimately familiar with subs. For SVCD's I usually used DVD2SVCD. It supports subs just fine. That's working form the DVD.

No matter what you do, for SVCD subs your going to have to encode(haven't found a player yet that did streamed subs correctly or in sync). Ideally you encode once to MPG. If you have a subbless MPEG, then your going to have to encode again, no way around it.

VDUB and frameserving is still valid, follow the AVI guide. When you reading the subs you dont' notice the artifacts from a second encode as much

[2man]

to svcd subs only winsubmux and IAuthor can do the job
i tried winsubmux but it seems to me that is rather slow
so i try iauthor and it works just fine
tried in 5 to 8 DVD-standalone like Jocel/philips/and others OEM models and it works
some ripped subs (subrip) have a problem w/the colours but there´s always a path.

[devilzdog]

I downloaded I-author but dont know how it works, I cant load a .mpg (file: mpeg2) into it... someone knows how i can load it?

[devilzdog]

BTW I also downloaded cyberlink power director2.55

I can add scenes and evrything, BUT HOW CAN I ADD SUBTITLES, with that prog?

[adam]

I-Author only supports its own proprietary program stream called .mps. There is a program called mpgxmps which will convert any normal mpg to mps, but unfortunately it won't work if the mpg is subbed. If you want subtitles you will have to use I-Author's built in multiplexor. Its pretty self explanatory, but look on teh internet for a patch called I-Author Limit Remover. If you don't run this patch then I-Author will only mux files which will fit on a 74min/650MB cdr....That's how old I-Author is.

There is a pretty basic guide for I-Author on www.doom9.net. Its not a particularly easy program to learn.

I suggest you go back to WinSubMux and VCDEasy. Its much easier to work with and not nearly as buggy as I-Author.