Which MPEG1 better?

[khan001p]

I am wondering which MPEG1 is better CCE SP 2.64 or Panasonic MPEG1. Thanks in advance

[Sefy]

i've heard over the forums that CCE doesn't make good MPEG1, but Panasonic (from experience) has the best quality for MPEG1.

[vitualis]

At VCD bitrates (e.g., 1150 kbit/s CBR), CCE doesn't handle MPEG-1 compression well and really shouldn't be a contender.

I personally think that the Panasonic MPEG encoder is the best for standard VCD (and is the one I use). However, this is commercial software and hasn't been updated in a long time (so it has no optimisations apart from MMX!) Some other people consider TMPGEnc better in quality. You should play around with both and trust your own eyes...

Regards.

[Douglesh]

In my experience with both, panasonic makes less blocky MPEG1 VCD's, however it absolutely drains the colour out of them, as well as some of the sharpness. TMPGEnc makes much richer looking (in colour) VCD's, but may be a little more blocky than panasonic at the same bitrate. Not to mention the added optimisations on TMPGENC (SSE, SSE2, 3dNow[+]).

[khan001p]

Thanks for comments

[vitualis]

Panasonic DOESN'T have a colour washout issue if you leave the default colour setting on "PC" rather than "TV".

Regards.

[neverintel]

I just made a experiment with both encoders. I took material from an analog camcorder because with digital material like DVD you don´t see the differences as good as with analog material. At finish I would say there NO differences between this two encoders.

[vitualis]

...because with digital material like DVD you don´t see the differences as good as with analog material.

Who told you that??

If you start with a near perfect source (e.g., DVD) you will see the differences MUCH better between encoders.

TMPGEnc definitely produces a sharper picture than Panasonic but it also tends to be blockier.

Panasonic produces a softer picture (which actually works very well for analogue captures BTW) but tends to produce far less blocks. IMHO, it looks better than TMPGEnc but others would disagree.

CCE produces a nice sharp picture but MPEG artifacts are extremely noticable when there is a lot of action on the screen.

Regards.

In my experiance Tmpgenc gave the best results for VCD(way ahead of the panasonic encoder).
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I am only doing encodes from DVD and DV not analog sources.

Media Studio 6.5-shit

Panasonic -ok with DVD encodes but crap with conversions from DV sources, and the sound goes out of sync very often with DV sources?.

[vitualis]

I don't use DV -- but IMHO, for DVD rips, Panasonic gives better overall image quality (at standard VCD bitrates only) than TMPGEnc.

You should try it out yourself and make up your own mind.

Regards.

[Sefy]

I Agree with Michael on this one, I prefer the quality of the Panasonic at the Standard VCD, it's just pity the Plugin is so slow

[markums2k]

In my experience, Panasonic severly de-saturates and blurs the video (as mentioned above). Yeah, it actually looks sort of okay for a bitrate of 1150... but OMG, I would NEVER settle for that! My 8 Hour VHS tapes look better than that garbage, even when using SLP mode!

TMPGEnc is a little more blocky for sure, but at least it doesn't look like its six generations removed. Ackk, I'm still wretching!

[vitualis]

Panasonic does not "desaturate" the video.

Encode with it ONLY on "PC" colour setting NOT TV.

The colour will then look pretty much the same to the original assuming that your colour settings on playback device (especially PC) isn't stuffed up. I suggest that you only really "trust" the gamma and colour of a video clip when played back on a stand-alone device on your TV.

Regards.