trick Nero into burning SVCD as (X)VCD?

[z68h]

hi all. i have a question that i don't recall seeing here before. my standalone DVD player will play VCD and XVCD's but not SVCD, so here is my question:

if have a bin/cue of an SVCD and i extract the MPEG2 from the bin file. and then i tell Nero that i want to burn a VCD (using the wizard) and load the MPEG2, it will ask me if i want to turn off standard compliance etc. if i turn of the standard compliance and burn it, will Nero make it an XVCD and therefore will play on my standalone?

i hope that made sense.

thanks for any help.

-Mark

[Kdiddy]

There is a chance it will and chance it wont..depends on how picky your standalone is...im gonna say that more than likely it will not work, properly..it may play very choppy due to VBV buffer size being different or possibly due to resolution being different. Only one way to find out for sure, burn to a CDRW and try it.

[Craig Fuqua]

The technique I've used successfully on two different models of Sonys that don't play SVCDs: re-multiplex the file with VCD headers.
Yours may work, and I'd be interested in hearing it.
Here's the one I found on alt.binaries.vcd:
1. Open TMEPG's MPEG Tools.
2. Select the Simple Multiplex tab. DO NOT DE-MULTIPLEX.
3. Load your SVCD-compliant MPEG-2 file as the audio and video source. Choose a different name for the output file.
4. Select MPEG-1 (Video CD). Expect to to get an alert at the end saying there were zillions of errors. I've just been told that using "MPEG-1 (Video CD, non-standard)" [or whatever it's called] can result in an audio-synch problem.
5. Run.
6. In Nero, select the Video CD template and turn off standards-compliance.
7. Burn it and cross your fingers.

The advantages: You don't have to re-encode, so you save lots of time and you retain the same quality as the SVCD.

Your results may be one or more of the following:
1. It doesn't work at all.
2. It works. (Sony 530 and a Sony 300-something; also Sony 560, which plays standards-compliant SVCDs)
3. The video is choppy, maybe due to the bitrate being too high. (Pioneer 505)
4. The picture is square, 1:1 for the 480x480 resolution of SVCD instead of being spread out horizontally. (Pioneer 505; also Pioneer 343, which plays standards-compliant SVCDs)
5. Some other problem.

So, good results for three Sonys, bad results for two Pioneers. I'll be testing on a Kenwood this week.

I'd love to hear if there's a way to prevent the square picture problem. I realize it's probably because a VCD is supposed to be at a 1.3:1 format, so the player doesn't expect to the horizontal. Anyone have a suggestion?

[z68h]

Craig Fuqua: just wanted to let you know that the method you suggested worked perfectly.

thanks again for the help

Mark

[Craig Fuqua]

Great! I'm compiling a list of results: successes, partial successes and failures.
Recent results:

• Kenwood 2070 wouldn't recognize the disk I used, so I don't know if it will work there or not.
  Philips 825, which won't play SVCDs, played my test disk but with choppy video.

Mark, or anyone: Please let me know what stand-alone player you have and what your results were so I can add it to the list.
I plan to write a How-To guide on this technique (which isn't mine) and put in the results list. Baldrick suggested I put it in the forum and he'd provide links to it from other pages.
There was a lot of interest in playing SVCDs on non-SVCD players after the Lord of the Rings DVD screener came out in SVCD format. I see that similar releases are currently being posted for The Others and Monsters Inc., so I bet we see more people looking for this information.

I've got a report that the re-multiplexing process might introduce an audio synch problem.

Craig Fuqua: just wanted to let you know that the method you suggested worked perfectly.

thanks again for the help

Mark

[z68h]

i am using a JVC XV-S42

[sumibas02]

hi,

i tried the following. i have sony NS400D

1. i burned the svcd material i encoded with tmpgenc as a non compliant vcd, it burned it with out any problem. but when i played the cd on the palyer it reads the cd and playes but the picture is blocky and the sound is like a damaged tape playing.

2. i encode the svcd and muxed and demuxed as vcd. them burned the cd it works fine good quality as svcd.

3. i tried to make a XVCD with 2400kbs bitrate(this is the max this player can play i tried 2500 kbs/2750/3000/3200/3500/3800/4000 it playes them as a damaged cd like pause play pause blocky.
so with a 2400 kbs / 720X480 pixel ntsc 23.97 fps with vbr buffer 128 kbs and 256kbs sound. it took abt 13 mbs/min it is far better quality than the svcd mux/demux method.

Baskaran
baskarans@yahoo.com

[garryward]

can you do this the other way round XVCD as SVCD ?

[kinneera]

Some links to previous discussions on this topic:

http://www.vcdhelp.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=74016&highlight=

https://www.videohelp.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=75324

http://www.vcdhelp.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=71532&highlight=

@garryward: Yes it is possible, but again very nonstandard, so don't get up your hopes too much. That said, my Pioneer DV-343 will happily play an SVCD whose video stream is actually MPEG1 (and at a non-standard resolution, to boot).