XP wont burn proper vcd

[mnmubin]

OS: XP pro 2600
MACHINE: P3-1g on Asus CUSL2-C, 512 RAM

IDE SETUP:
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PM: ide 0
PS: Sony CDRW CXR175A1
SM: ide 1
SS: Sony DDU1621 dvd-rom

BURNER/ CD APPS INSTALLED
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Nero 5569
Nero InCD 3.17XP
CD Check -latest
CDR Diag - latest
and on XP site: imapi burning = disable and XP CD recording = uncheck

CDR MEDIA
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Sony (max 24x)
No brand CDR (up to 24x)

STANDALONE PLAYER
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Philips CD100 (Play SVCD/VCD/CVCD/CD/MP3)

THE PROBLEM
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Before do a clean install XP, burning Data/ CDRW/ home-VCD on win2000 are a great success
After XP, fail writing both data and home made VCD. Now manage to write succesfull data cdr after system

configured as mention above.
But burning home made vcd still unsuccess. Nero said Successfull' but the standalone either
a) display `No Disk' error;
b) Detect the CDR as VCD 2.0 but wont play it; or
c) Detect as VCD 2.0 and play it after very long long time and hang.

Tried the follong without any difference in result:

- Disable /Enable Imapi CD recording
- Burn at 8x (minimum the recorder/nero allow) and stepping up to max speed (24x)
- With and without Aspi layer 4.60 (and also with nero recommended aspi layer
- latest nero drive database conf.
- Burn with and without burn/ link proof / power burn (on CXR175A)
- Change / swap to other writers (Imation 12x and Sony CXR175A)
- Reinstall (clean install) XP + Nero only (no other apps)
- With and without Intel apps accelarators
- play with UDMA-2 or PIO only
- update with MSupdate for CD burning
- Change IDE orientation ( IDE0 - IDE1 - CDRW -DVD-ROM)

Then tried other burners:

- CD Mate (to `on the fly' copy working VCD) - came out error `Fail to write pre-gap data. Sense key 05

ASC: 20 ASCQ:00 Message `invalid command operation'.
- Ulead DVD movie factory: badly played on standalone - play-stop-play.
- Nero 5551, Nero 5564 all withour InCD - result similar to ver 5569

Sound like XP problem?
Please help.

[mnmubin]

More info....
The VCD anyway play OK on PC and
The standalone play OK all commercial and all`before XP' home-made VCDs.

[tigerwolf]

this may sound like a stupid question but you are remembering to finalize the vcd after the burn?

also are the versions of nero you are running the same that you used with 2000?

[tigerwolf]

I have another interesting question a bit off topic, but why do you have your burner as a slave on the primary and your dvd-drive as a slave on the secondary?
why not put both HD's on the primary and the burner and dvd drive on the secondary? oh I see you did change the positioning of the drives. I'd leave the positioning of the drives as the HD's on the primary and then your burner and dvd on secondary.

I'm currently using nero 5564 with winxp, and used it on both the 2600 build and the final release with no problems.

another quick question is how are you creating the mpeg's that you burn? Have you changed that software, etc? it might not be the burn, but how you created the mpeg that could be causing the problem. just a thought.

[sommersby]

Under XP your burner must be the master or first cdr on your machine for proper operation. slave is fine if it is the only cdr. Also, could the problem be your burner, I have been using xp for over 2 months and have burned 100's of cd's in just about every format there is with no problems.

[homerpez]

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On 2002-01-10 17:40:27, sommersby wrote:
Under XP your burner must be the master or first cdr on your machine for proper operation. slave is fine if it is the only cdr. Also, could the problem be your burner, I have been using xp for over 2 months and have burned 100's of cd's in just about every format there is with no problems.
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This is horsecrud. My machine has a DVD-Rom as Secondary Master, and CD-Burner as Secondary Slave, it works.

First, have you downloaded all the updates to Windows XP? There was one there I remember which addresses certain CD Burners' compatability. Maybe this with patch?

Second, I would download the ASPI checker and driver for NT/2000/XP, and check to see if you have installed an ASPI layer. If NERO didn't, then you will likely have problems burning anything, including VCD.

Third, DON'T USE NERO TO BURN ANYTHING AT ALL, EVER!

(My hatred for NERO knows no bounds).

[cybermage26]

WinXP is very shit for burning indeed, the crappy missing ASPI drivers or whatever. After I upgraded I was kind of getting the same problem, but it wouldnt even let me burn, I just reinstalled Nero and it worked, but Im thinking you probably already tried that, just a note for anyone else I guess.

[sommersby]

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On 2002-01-10 17:40:27, sommersby wrote:
Under XP your burner must be the master or first cdr on your machine for proper operation. slave is fine if it is the only cdr. Also, could the problem be your burner, I have been using xp for over 2 months and have burned 100's of cd's in just about every format there is with no problems.

then the only way windows will recognize your cdrw is if it is the slave on IDE 0, therefore the first cdr that windows see's, asd I stated, if it isn't then once again your machine has done the impossible, this info comes right from the windows website and was a problem fixed on my machine by reversing my dvd, cdrw drives from master slave to slave master on IDE 1
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This is horsecrud. My machine has a DVD-Rom as Secondary Master, and CD-Burner as Secondary Slave, it works.

First, have you downloaded all the updates to Windows XP? There was one there I remember which addresses certain CD Burners' compatability. Maybe this with patch?

Second, I would download the ASPI checker and driver for NT/2000/XP, and check to see if you have installed an ASPI layer. If NERO didn't, then you will likely have problems burning anything, including VCD.

Third, DON'T USE NERO TO BURN ANYTHING AT ALL, EVER!

(My hatred for NERO knows no bounds).
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[mnmubin]

Forget to tell ya that ONE (1 out of 15) of the VCD are OK. Funny. This one that OK is after the modification I've done as mention. All attempts are made on the same encoded Mpg.

Before go for XP, I didnot have DVD-ROM drive. Only 1 unit CD-Writter. I dont think that new hardware cause the troubles.

[sommersby]

Here is another tidbit of info not even found on the microsoft website but fixed an anoying problem, after installing XP my hard drives on IDE 0 came up in UDMA mode 5 no problem but my cdrw and dvd drives on IDE 1 kept coming up in PIO mode even though I had use DMA if available checked in device manager, tried every setting possible to fix this, no avail, then found out, through alot of web searching, that XP will not enable DMA mode of any kind if you are not using a UDMA cable to your drives, well I wasn't, not a problem in ME or (* were you can force DMA but you can't force it in XP and without the UDMA cable XP will not use DMA mode. I have seen alot of posts here about problems with DMA in XP, this may fix allot of them.

[mnmubin]

After that ONE successfully burned CD, the next copy still have the problem. Digging some website I found this words:
1. Some drive better set as single;
2. Nero + EZCD = conflict;
3. ASPI layer facilitate ATAPI device;
4. Try set higher priority IRQ for the drive; - Not try yet.
5. XP only works on 1 CD writter;
6. CDRW must be the 1st CD drive in XP's IDE chain;
7. MS hot fix might screw up/permanently disable CDR function;
8. Imapi CDburning set to manual;
9. Sequence of installation: 1st ASPI layer then install burner.

Except for item 4 and 5 the other are either not relevent or already done.

[tigerwolf]

have you updated the bios for the motherboard?
found here:
http://usa.asus.com/download/mbdriver/socket370.htm

scroll down about half way on the page you'll find to versions of your motherboard the black pearl and standard.

updating the bios may fix the problem. Especially since the problems seemed to occur after you put in the dvd drive.

also another thing to try is to disconnect the dvd drive and just run the cd burner on secondary master and see what happens. This will help tell you if its a conflict with the dvd drive.

[tigerwolf]

never underestimate the ability for hardware to conflict with each other, especially with a microsoft product.

I've seen some of the oddest things come from hardware conflicts.

just recently I installed winxp full install on a system and "my computer" would hang forever before opening. It turned out that the usb printer and scanner had to be unplugged from the usb and re-plugged in while windows was running and it fixed the problem. As I said The oddest things. We won't mention how long it took me to figure that one out.

[mnmubin]

Yes Tigerwolf.
I always flash for the latest final. Now I'm on 1009 final.
Also had run on master without DVD drive.
Had try with only one stick (256Mb) mem.
Had also increase Core voltage from 1.70 to 1.75
No o/c.

Last night I found something weird on my CD Writter. If the PC boot with one of my home-made data cd, it can detect it. Eject. Tray out. Tray in. Now that CD no more recognised by the drive.
That's mean, If I put a blank CD, reboot, burn - The CD readable on standalone. Any burning session afterward (without reboot) will produce coaster.

[sommersby]

[quote]
On 2002-01-11 04:12:16, mnmubin wrote:
After that ONE successfully burned CD, the next copy still have the problem. Digging some website I found this words:
1. Some drive better set as single;
2. Nero + EZCD = conflict;
3. ASPI layer facilitate ATAPI device;
4. Try set higher priority IRQ for the drive; - Not try yet.
5. XP only works on 1 CD writter;
6. CDRW must be the 1st CD drive in XP's IDE chain;
7. MS hot fix might screw up/permanently disable CDR function;
8. Imapi CDburning set to manual;
9. Sequence of installation: 1st ASPI layer then install burner.

Except for item 4 and 5 the other are either not relevent or already done.



HORSECRUD?

I think I am owed an apology as it seems numbers 5 and 6 are exactly what I stated and I can tell you from personal expereince that if this is not followed XP will not recognize you cdrw as writable, now nero may still work but if you load incd with the included direct cd in XP you will create problems, again from personal experience. For cdrw's, which I don't use oftn, I just use the encluded packet writing software in XP.

[IGuaNAdoN]

ok... i don't know what all this stuff is with Xp not working with more that one writter. now here is what i JUST did! WinXP 2600, Roxio Easy CD, Nero 5.5.6.4, DVD/CDRW combo, CDR/RW. first i installed the second CDR/RW, then i opened Nero twice... put RW in first DVD/CDRW and then put RW in CDR/RW. Erased both disks at the same time with two copies of Nero running. then i tried to burn to both at the same time. this did not work on the slower CDR/RW but the DVD/CDRW faster drive did finnish. Now the CDR/RW is on IDE2 first drive in seq. also set to slave... the DVD/CDRW is the last on IDE2 and set as master. I can write to either drive one at a time and erase from both at the same time. This ends my test. Now what was that stuff about XP and Easy CD and Nero and whatever else not working? ...oh and i did also run Easy CD and erase a disk... did not try to write... no vcd .mpg handy. By the way CD/RW 2x2x6 DVD/CDRW combo 6x4x24x4 or somthing... 4x DVD.

Good luck to all with XP and your burners.

Peace,

IgGy

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[tigerwolf]

does your system use cable select for drive designation? if so set up the drives as master and slave and don't bother with the cable select feature. Move the jumpers off of csel to the appropriate designator.

Cable select still seems to be a bit buggy and not all manufacturers support it correctly. Its best to stick with the old master and slave routine.


side note if you are using cable select to switch to master and slave designators does not require a new cable or anything.

[mnmubin]

Media: Sony 24x, VMS 12x, VMS 24x, Verbatim Azo 24x;
Drive: Sony CRX-175A1; Imation 12x
Burners: Nero 5551, 5564, EasyCD;
Standalone: Philips SD100 (CD7 drive)

Result for Burning VCDs with NERO
Report successful
On PC = OK
On Philips SD100 = No disk
On Sony player = OK
The Quentions:
1. Are the medias not good for philips? or
2. Something wrong with that player?
Tried all previous succesfully burn VCD (done last year) - All
play OK

Result for burning with Ulead Movie Factory 1.0
Report successful
On PC = OK
On Philips SD100 = Playable but wierd (like over bitrate)
On Sony player = Not playable

Result for burning with VCDeasy 1.0.7
Report successful
On PC = OK
On Philips SD100 = Not playable
On Sony player = Not playable

Result for burning MP3 with Nero 5564
Report successful
On PC = OK
On Philips SD100 1st try: No disk
On Philips SD100 2nd try: List available but no sound.
On Sony player = Not tried

Tried clean philips lens with CD with mini brush - no different.
But all other CD previously burn (before XP pro 2600 and drive upgrade) play OK on this philips.

[mstar69]

:oops:

My system;

celleron 466
sdram 256
30g IBM 7200RPM HDD
ATI RAGE FURY PRO 32

TEAC SCSI R55S(4X) CD-R

I succeeded to capture dv-avi from my SONY DCR PC-7 6mm DV cam using windows mivie maker.

I succeeded to encode it to vcd mpg file using TMPGenc.

I burned it to vcd using 700m cd with nero and easy cd creator.

Upon the final message, it was successfully completed.

But I can't play .dat file on my pc.

My ati vcd player can't play it.

Even I can't copy the dat file from the vcd I made. When I try to copy it or play it with WMP, error message comes up saying "I/O error".

What is problem and what shuld I do?

If I try to play vcd, my computer(actually TEAC CD-R) keeps seeking vcd, it won't stop.

Please help me.....

[mnmubin]

Sound like my drive is not stable. Sometime its OK some times its not. Check the power requirement. Higher than my previous drive. 2A. Needs more power? I have 300W Enlight now.

During boot time, occasionally the bios so slow detecting the drive. Once a while not detected at all.

Do I need 400W? Actually my sistem quite `heavy'
1 high power CD writer
1 high power DVD-rom drive
2 hardisk (Maxtor 60 gig + Maxtor 20 gig)
SB Live value PCI
Fire wire PCI
Geforce 2 MX DDR AGP
pIII 1000 @ 1000
SCSI PCI (to drives HP scanner)
2 xtra 80mm fan
2 stick 256 SDRAM (total 512 Mb)