Convert HDTV avi to DVD?

[Tsunamijhoe]

I have an avi that was converted from the original transport stream to a bitrate of 14mbps from around 20mbps,i plays fine in VLC,but how do i convert this file with extension *.avi to DVD compliant files? I tried searching for this,but all i got was "regular" avi threads (xvid or divx) which is of no help..

this is how the file was originally converterted

Video transcoded into MPEG-4 ASP, 1080p for folks who don't have
super powered machines to decode H.264 @ 1920x1080.

Audio left untouched. (AC3 DD 2.0 @ 384 kbps)

Transcoded by mencoder, 3 pass, VBR, avg: 14 Mbps (down from H.264 TS at 20Mbps)

[Baldrick]

Have you tried any dvd converter? like ConvertXtoDVD.

[SaSi]

It could be as simple as encoding it with an MPEG2 encoder. CCE and Tmpgenc will resize the frame to DVD specs if it is found smaller (and asked by the user to do so). It is quite possible that they will also downsize the frame if it is found larger.

The manual way to go, would be to use Virtualdub to resize to DVD and produce a DVD compliant AVI file first. But this is not only extra time but also a separate encoding step which would not do justice to the hidef original.

[Alex_ander]

I once used TMPGEncXpress3 for importing MPEG of this resolution (I simply deinterlaced, resized and encoded the video stream), then muxed video/audio streams in TMPG MPEG Editor. Also once used a progressive wmv of this resolution from torrent, it also can be opened in TMPGEncXpress directly.
CCE2.67-2.70 will not open video of this pixel size, only the new generation CCE SP2 will.

[Tsunamijhoe]

Hmm,this all seems very "hard".. Furthermore, i have absolutly no idea how and what to do with HDTV files,as they are totally new formats to me,seems they would have been easier to convert in their transport stream format with HDTV2mpg2.. I will try and see if TMPGenc will open and convert it,as i am not that "sharp" in CCE SP2..

Also,the avi filesize is about 4,5GB,how large wil the dvd files be,if i retain bitrate (if possible) or do i need to lower the bitrate to the dvd specs for it to be played on standalone? Can i encode it to fit a dual layer,and thus retain higher bitrate?

Thank you all kindly for your answers

[guns1inger]

If you want it to play on your standalone, you have to convert it to DVD spec - that means compliant framerates, resolutions and bitrates. In short - create a DVD. If you want something better, get a HD-DVD standalone, and you can put 20 minutes of HD on a DL DVD.

[Tsunamijhoe]

If you want it to play on your standalone, you have to convert it to DVD spec - that means compliant framerates, resolutions and bitrates. In short - create a DVD. If you want something better, get a HD-DVD standalone, and you can put 20 minutes of HD on a DL DVD.

LOL,20 mins on a hd-dvd DL disc,that is gonna be expensive ,as the shows are 50 mins each.. I used the convertxtoDVD and it worked fine,except the quality stinks,is there anyway to have CCE SP2 do the work,if so,how do i do that? I tried loading the file into CCE but it would not accept the file.. I do have access to the original TS files,so are HDTV2MPG2 a better choise?..

Another question then, i thought HD-DVD worked at same bitrate as HDTV or at least similar,so it in theory would hold like a whole movie on a hd-dvd single layer,and a 2 hour movie higher bitrate on a dual layer disc,or am i totally off here (or is it 2 completly different systems?)? I have a hdd recorder also,would that be able to record hdtv,or do you also need special hdtv hdd recorders for that? If you need special hdtv hdd recorders,do they use hd-dvd drives for burning your favourite shows just like regular recorders,or is that not on the market yet?

I know i have alot of questions,and most have probably already been answered several times,so if you at least just answer my initial question,i will be fine ..

Thanks you guys

[guns1inger]

A standard DVD recorder won't record HDTV at HDTV bitrates or resolution. They only accept SD resolution and record to a max of 15mbps. You can certainly get HDTV PVRs, but I haven't seen one with a HD-DVD recorder built-in. In fact to date I haven't seen a HD-DVD recorder.

As for CCE, I have found the most reliable way to load video into CCE for encoding is via avisynth. Use FitCD to create a basic resize script, load this into CCE and encode.

[Tsunamijhoe]

Thanks gunsliger,but that didn´t work,when i load the avisynth script into CCE it only says that there is 10 secs of material to be encoded.. I might be doing something wrong,as i never used this before.. I think i will just save the original AVI´s to dvd,and stream them from VLC to my flatscreen instead,and use the convertx dvd´s to lend out

Thanks for all your answers

[lacywest]

If you want it to play on your standalone, you have to convert it to DVD spec - that means compliant framerates, resolutions and bitrates. In short - create a DVD. If you want something better, get a HD-DVD standalone, and you can put 20 minutes of HD on a DL DVD.

LOL,20 mins on a hd-dvd DL disc,that is gonna be expensive ,as the shows are 50 mins each.. I used the convertxtoDVD and it worked fine,except the quality stinks,is there anyway to have CCE SP2 do the work,if so,how do i do that? I tried loading the file into CCE but it would not accept the file.. I do have access to the original TS files,so are HDTV2MPG2 a better choise?..
Thanks you guys

How about using DivxtoDVD but have it set to DVD-9 specs ... 8.5 Gigs or higher and then squish it ... with DVD-RB with CCE included .... to fit on a DVD-5.

Before leaving for work [which is where I'm at right now ... oh yes I'm working very hard at 2:40 AM in the morning] I started DVD-RB Pro with CCE 2.5 to process a Porn flick. Which I made bigger with DivxtoDVD ... on purpose to use with DVD-RB Pro ... by the way there is another New version of DVD-RB Pro ... dated around Nov 4th.

[Tsunamijhoe]

hmmm,never thought about that .. will try and see how it works

[Tsunamijhoe]

If you want it to play on your standalone, you have to convert it to DVD spec - that means compliant framerates, resolutions and bitrates. In short - create a DVD. If you want something better, get a HD-DVD standalone, and you can put 20 minutes of HD on a DL DVD.

LOL,20 mins on a hd-dvd DL disc,that is gonna be expensive ,as the shows are 50 mins each.. I used the convertxtoDVD and it worked fine,except the quality stinks,is there anyway to have CCE SP2 do the work,if so,how do i do that? I tried loading the file into CCE but it would not accept the file.. I do have access to the original TS files,so are HDTV2MPG2 a better choise?..
Thanks you guys

How about using DivxtoDVD but have it set to DVD-9 specs ... 8.5 Gigs or higher and then squish it ... with DVD-RB with CCE included .... to fit on a DVD-5.

Before leaving for work [which is where I'm at right now ... oh yes I'm working very hard at 2:40 AM in the morning] I started DVD-RB Pro with CCE 2.5 to process a Porn flick. Which I made bigger with DivxtoDVD ... on purpose to use with DVD-RB Pro ... by the way there is another New version of DVD-RB Pro ... dated around Nov 4th.

OK,i tried that,somehow convertx won´t make my finished file larger than 2,7GB no matter what template i use,so i end up with a file where the bitrate could be ALOT better.. what am i doing wrong?? IT seems convertx won´t "save" my settings,or utilize the full space i set it to

[machf]

guns1inger already said it:

If you want it to play on your standalone, you have to convert it to DVD spec - that means compliant framerates, resolutions and bitrates. In short - create a DVD.

DVD-video is limited to a maximum bitrate of 9.8Mbps. You said your video is 50 minutes long, right? That's 3000 seconds, by those 9.8Mbps, it would give you some 3.4 GB. But since it's more likely that the *average* bitrate is around 8Mbps, that's probably the reason you won't get more than 2.7GB.

[Tsunamijhoe]

guns1inger already said it:

If you want it to play on your standalone, you have to convert it to DVD spec - that means compliant framerates, resolutions and bitrates. In short - create a DVD.

DVD-video is limited to a maximum bitrate of 9.8Mbps. You said your video is 50 minutes long, right? That's 3000 seconds, by those 9.8Mbps, it would give you some 3.4 GB. But since it's more likely that the *average* bitrate is around 8Mbps, that's probably the reason you won't get more than 2.7GB.

Yep,program says average bitrate is about 8,1,so everything is working according to chedule i suppose.. So you can´t fiddle with the space at all,when it runs on max dvd bitrate,i learn something new everyday.

So getting the transport streams won´t give me a better dvd bitrate,it will just cook the 8gb file into a 2,7GB file for max dvd bitrate,correct? Except ofcourse to stream the TS to my flatscreen

[machf]

Weeelllll... in theory, you could still try setting min, max and average bitrate all to the same (maximum) value of 9.8Mbps, with that you'll in practice be encoding a CBR MPEG-2 video stream for a total of about 3.4GB, but that's the most you could get. Remember, DVD is already old technology, developed for use with conventional TVs.
Quoting the rest of what guns1inger said in that post I quoted earlier:

If you want something better, get a HD-DVD standalone, and you can put 20 minutes of HD on a DL DVD.

which I think you misunderstood, the idea was to get HD-DVD quality video stored on a conventional DL DVD (DVD-9), for a maximum of 20 minutes. You'd have to split your (longer) videos, of course, but you'd keep the quality you want. Or wait until you get an HD-DVD burner and the corresponding discs...

[Tsunamijhoe]

Thanks for all your answers, and i am saving the original files for when i get better equipment,on the bright side though, i did learn a bit about hdtv formats ..