MacTheRipper 2.0

[geezerbuttz]

Hello.... MTR 2.0 is done and now awaiting WW to sort out the beta tests.

Hope this will go smoothly so we can get this out.

I think you will all like it.

Geezerbuttz.

Oh, one last point , and this is very serious... does anyone have a PowerBook they can donate for development reasons... The powerbooks are doing something that stops MTR from ripping off RPC2 drives. Only happens in powerbooks, desktop units are ok, so we need a PB to find out whats going on. I know its a lot to ask , I can not justify buying one just to debug an app!

Have fun All.

[dotpuppy]

Is there any particular model, you're looking for? I have a clamshell graphite ibook that should 'recycled' my way later this week. (all replaced macs come to me in my family)

Or are you looking for a particular DVD drive?

[pixeljammedia]

Wow, thanks a bunch geezerbutt, I look forward to trying it out.

As a suggestion, MTR is such an essential piece of software that I'd be willing to chip in a little to help it's debugging. If you set up a Paypal account, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one. What does this board think?

[geezerbuttz]

Hi guys ... and thanks for the offer.I do have a PP acount , please contact WiseWeasel for info.

thank you so much for the offer of the powerbook, any model that has exibited a rip error ( or has a nonstandard DVD drive ) is welcome, please , once again contact WiseWeasel ( my media partner ) for info on what models i need to get access to,

Once again , thankyou very much for all of your support, you are all very kind.

One small point , while the offer of a donation is kind to assist with the debugging , in reality it is a little pointless , as the ammount of donations required to purchase the powerbooks / drives required to debugg correctly , will never be met.

geezerbuttz

late addition ... it seems to be the later model powerbooks , with this drive UJ-816.. thats all i know, .All offers will be looked into tho.Thanks

[WiseWeasel]

Yes, it seems to be only the Matshita (Panasonic) UJ-815 and UJ-816 PowerBook DVD drives that are causing issues for some reason. The drives work fine ripping DVDs from the region they're set to, but for some reason fail on DVDs from other regions. If anyone is having this problem on different drives, please let us know. The only solution at this point seems to be to install RPC1 firmware available here:
UJ-816 (direct file link - 2.0 MB)
The various UJ-815 firmware upgrades are listed on this page, towards the bottom:
http://superdrive.cynikal.net
I'd like to thank Cynikal for solving the last remaining problem here. We should be starting the beta test Real Soon Now™, and hopefully, we'll be ready for release within a week or two. You guys are gonna like this.
P.S. If you'd like to donate to Geezerbuttz because you think he's a great guy (not because he provides you with DVD ripping software, that would be bad), please contact me at mtr@wormintheapple.gr. Thanks for your support.

[deadsierra]

P.S. If you'd like to donate to Geezerbuttz because you think he's a great guy

"Dear Mr. Geezerbuttz. I am donating this money to you because I feel that anyone who goes to the trouble to think up such a weird name deserves free money."

Speaking of which, the bank denied me a credit card AGAIN.

[geezerbuttz]

well , i am very disapointed by the lack of respose for assistance.

Thanks you very much to the TWO people who have offered to assist with hardware / finance etc.

It seems to me that the majority want something for nothing.

Please , will someone tell me why i should be bothered to support a bunch of free loaders who can't even be bothered to support the developers of software that would never see the light of day if it was not for developers like myself.You all bitch and moan about the lack of tools available on the Mac , have you ever wondered why?

Maybe if you all pulled your fingers out and started to support ( by whatever means) the developers of the Apps that you use , you would all have a much greater range of apps to use AND be supported by the developers.

Developers like myself are not asking you to shell out the 100's of dollars that the large software houses charge, we simply do not work like that, all we would like is a litle help/ support from the community that use our apps.

i have just spent 4 weeks+ re-writing MTR from the base up...i ask for a little assistance from the community...... what do I get... two kind people who are willing to assist....OUT OF OVER 10,000 USERS.....

ITS PATHETIC.

Geezerbuttz

[terryj]

Geezerbuttz,
Not to start anything,
but....

1. I didn't offer anything in the way of Hardware because
I don't have any hardware to GIVE.
I do have a PB ( Wall Street) that I can patch the firmware
on and TEST v. 2.0 when it comes available, but that's all I can offer.
I don't even OWN the PB, it's the one the company lets me use at work.

2. I would GLADLY offer a donation to you Geezerbuttz,
however you said:

One small point , while the offer of a donation is kind to assist with the debugging , in reality it is a little pointless , as the ammount of donations required to purchase the powerbooks / drives required to debugg correctly , will never be met.

as if to say, "don't waste the time or effort"?

If you would like the donation, there are MORE than the fair share amount of people who would be HAPPY to donate to a paypal account.
But, which is it you want, do you want us to donate, even if
it doesn't "IN REALITY NEVER MEET ENOUGH IN DONATIONS to DEBUG"
or it helps, in just a little bit? Perhaps it might enable you to
contact a local school or a mac enthuiast in your area who would,
in excahnge for some cash ( said donations) they would let you
borrow/use on site a PB of the vintage you are looking for?

I think that if you pulled MTR and said...Ok I am now making this
Payware/ Pay before you buy Shareware...many people would actually
pay to use it. Having seen its success and value from previous versions,
I would GLADLY pay.

But I think it is unfair for you to call everyone here " a pathetic bunch of freeloaders" without knowing each and everyone's individual case.

If you don't have any equiptment to offer, I don't think that should
qualify you as a freeloader.

I also think that you want us to pay for MTR, you should come out and just say it, not say "Oh, I will probably not get anybody to pay for this
because Mac people are cheap."

Here, I will set up a poll to see what the forum users think.
But until you see the results, it's unfair to judge everyone
just on the course of two responses.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just thought your comment was unfair
and unjustly directed towards me, and I took offense.
If it was not, then I humbly apologize.

[robguy]

geezerbuttz

I'm sorry that you put upon by your user base.

If you had wanted money from the start, why didn't you charge for MTR initially? In point of fact, It's still not too late to make a little money -- just include a PayPal link within MTR 2.0 so users will have a trial period, but will have to buy a license key to keep using the program. That way, users can provide the cash you need to get a Powerbook, and freeloaders, as you call users, can help you buy it.

Users DO appreciate your tireless efforts, but I don't think they appreciate insults. You'll find that, if you want money and/or a Powerbook (how many did you need anyway, besides the offers from two people?), you'll have a better chance of obtaining them with sugar instead of vinegar. Add to that patience. Further, I'll wager that not many freeloaders have a Powerbook laying around. Perhaps they rent them for free from CompUSA.[/b]

[geezerbuttz]

You missed the point by a mile.

money is not an issue, Nor is a powerbook .

There is a problem with powerbooks , so i requested if someone could donate one.I dont ask for anyone to give me their pride and joy.

Donate by its definition , is an act of charity, nothing more.

I dont want to serialize or charge for the app , thats never been the intention here, but i did ask for some assistance, and 2 out of 10,000 is pathetic.. its akin to the blind man crossing the road and all the passers by pretending not to see him, BUT the moment he says FREE MONEY!!!! everybody turns up.

Its simple... If we dont get support , things dont get done.

Its as easy as A,B,C.

Oh Terry j.... yes i agree but the paypal issue/address has been available from WiseWeasel on the MTR page... Its been avail for about a month.
I am sure you (1 person) does not have the resources to assist , and I am ok with that....BUT do not tell me that out of all the users ( 10,000 once again) there are not more people willing to assist with the problems.

oh , robguy , as for insults , do you not think that it insults the people who dev such apps to be slapped in the face by the users when you ask for help? ( slapped in the face = ignored)

A last point that realy got me mad , that for such a well used / liked app
people could not even be bothered to post a message saying "sorry dude, would like to help but.,..." at least that shows people are interested....

i did get one genuine offer from a very kind gentleman who has offered a powerbook to assist in deving with , And another gentelman who SUGGESTED making a payment.

Note that Only two people made a suggestion , could nobody else think up anything? or maybe they just dont care , as long as they get the free app ,who cares!

im not putting serial numbers and all that crap into MTR..no paypal links etc... no blatent signs that shout "PAY ME" in the app.Its not and has never been about that.

I hope you understand where im coming from , and yes maybe i was over annoyed when I said FREELOADERS, but at no time did i call anyone PATHETIC.... i said the situation was PATHETIC.

ONE VERY , VERY last point.... in the original post , at no time did I every ask for money!!! i am amazed as to where that has come from!

Geezerbuttz.

[geezerbuttz]

New post.... WW and me did a final long distance code bash this morning and got just about all the bugs out.... So!!!!!! the first Beta.b1 was sent out today...... not long now!!!!!!!!!!

( i hope you all like it ...)

Geezerbuttz

[geezerbuttz]

A cheeky preview......

[terryj]

Oh Terry j.... yes i agree but the paypal issue/address has been available from WiseWeasel on the MTR page... Its been avail for about a month. Geezerbuttz.

And to this..I am going to ask a silly question..Where is this page?
I only get my updates from the link in the forum, when WW posts
it up. so for this, I too apologize because i didn't know you guys
had a link for such a page? Is it the VT page? I will search there....

[terryj]

and BTW, thanks for the cheeky preview!
I like it!

[geezerbuttz]

no .. if a person wants to donate to my charity via paypal, he contacts WW and WW will get you to sign a disclaimer , then he will pass the paypal address.

thats how its always been.

[WiseWeasel]

If some of you who are not on our update mailing list want to participate in the beta test of MTR 2.0, drop me an email at mtr@wormintheapple.gr, and I can get you in. I think what Geezerbuttz meant with the comment about donations being insignificant was related only to the bug with PowerBooks and the UJ-815 and 816 drives. I don't think we can expect donations to ever cover the cost of the PowerBook required for him to be able to troubleshoot that bug, so it will remain in MTR. The only workaround at this point is to install RPC1 firmware, so be it. The reason we can't ask for money for this app is purely legal, but understand that a LOT of work goes into MTR, and so all voluntary donations are VERY welcome. Your support ensures that development continues, and that we keep improving MTR in the future, to make it the ultimate ripper.

[pixeljammedia]

This really is a strange community, if we can really call it that. There are a lot of transient folks, people who come in, ask a question, get a working process for what they want to do and leave. There are people who spend a lot of time answering questions and generally being genuinely altuistic. There are people who expect and almost accuse those trying to help of messing them up when something isn't exactly right in their encodes, etc. I think many people get tired of the laziness (no you didn't do a forum search or try everything I said you should try) and the strange sense of entitlement many posters seem to have here. So maybe this was the wrong place to suggest a donation, but either way, know that there are many more appreciative people than take the time to post.

[terryj]

agreed, pixel.

[Direwolf]

Ditto, pixel.

Keep up the great work, geezerbuttz.

[Jparker]

You missed the point by a mile.

money is not an issue, Nor is a powerbook .

There is a problem with powerbooks , so i requested if someone could donate one.I dont ask for anyone to give me their pride and joy.

Donate by its definition , is an act of charity, nothing more.

I dont want to serialize or charge for the app , thats never been the intention here, but i did ask for some assistance, and 2 out of 10,000 is pathetic.. its akin to the blind man crossing the road and all the passers by pretending not to see him, BUT the moment he says FREE MONEY!!!! everybody turns up.

I'm going to preface this by saying that I love your app and truly appreciate the hard work that both you and WW put into it. However, I think you may have lost sense of perspective with this particular issue. Of the 10,000 people who use MTR, how many people learned about it from here vs, say, versiontracker.com. Let's be overly generous and say half. Now, how many of those 5,000 people do you think regularly come back here to these forums if they don't have a problem that needs solving? Ten percent? Tops? Of these 500 people who may or may not have read your request for how many actually have a spare Powerbook of the particular vintage that you need to troubleshoot this one bug that they are able to donate? I'm kinda surprised you found even one. You shouldn't get pissy about it. Especially when you specifically said "don't bother donating money, 'cause it won't be enough to buy a Powerbook".
That is all.

[Albe Sure]

Hey geezerbuttz and WW-

Just wanted to take a moment to THANK YOU both all the time, effort, and energy that you have obviously each invested into developing and improving MacTheRipper. MTR is a high quality application that is much appreciated by the greater Macintosh community.

Just performed my first RIP with beta version 2.0 earlier yesterday, and the application LOOKS GREAT!!! Thanks again, and please keep up the good work!

Sincerely yours,

A.S.

[thoughton]

Hi Geezer,

Like TerryJ above, I understood your note to mean you didn't want money (unless it was enough to buy a powerbook).

Unfortunately I only have one PowerBook (and you can't have it :P). I DO have an old powerbook drive though. I contemplated whether to offer it or not but you specifically said you only wanted UJ815 or 816s. This is a CW-8121. The CD laser is dead, but it can still read DVDs. I live in England, do you wanna come pick it up? Haha just kidding. I can send it to Switzerland I suppose.

Cheers,

Tim Houghton

PS Everyonoe who doesn't know where the MTR webpage is (I only found it myself by accident) it is the same one DVDBackup and those firmware hacks are hosted at. Wormintheapple I believe. Try Google

[thoughton]

I'm going to preface this by saying that I love your app and truly appreciate the hard work that both you and WW put into it. However, I think you may have lost sense of perspective with this particular issue. Of the 10,000 people who use MTR, how many people learned about it from here vs, say, versiontracker.com. Let's be overly generous and say half. Now, how many of those 5,000 people do you think regularly come back here to these forums if they don't have a problem that needs solving? Ten percent? Tops? Of these 500 people who may or may not have read your request for how many actually have a spare Powerbook of the particular vintage that you need to troubleshoot this one bug that they are able to donate? I'm kinda surprised you found even one. You shouldn't get pissy about it. Especially when you specifically said "don't bother donating money, 'cause it won't be enough to buy a Powerbook".
That is all.

I think JParker has hit the nail on the head, although I wonder if 5000 readers of the _mac forum_ on this site is an overestimate. Quite frankly I'd be amazed if someone offered you a working powerbook containing a UJ815 or 816. Those are quite new drives after all, and only the higher-end PBs have em.

Good luck with it though! And thanks for MTR!

[geezerbuttz]

Sence of perspective?

more like Sence Of Humour.........

Geezerbuttz

[willrob]

Possibly someopne with the troublesome powerbook drives could be a beta tester that geezerbutt could experiment on. That seems a more pratical solution.
william

[Ladd]

the paypal issue/address has been available from WiseWeasel on the MTR page... Its been avail for about a month.

There's an MTR page? That's news to me and I'm a regular reader of this forum. All I've every seen is the posting that includes a clickable download link.

Perhaps you might consider changing the download link from a direct download to a web page that contains the download link -- then the text on that page could remind folks that a contribution would be appreciated.

[galactica]

The MTR Sire has been up since Feb 18th

by the way, 2.0 beta has worked without a hickup so far Great app

[WiseWeasel]

Actually, there is no text on our site (http://www.wormintheapple.gr/macdvd/mtr.html) requesting donations, as it's not appropriate for a DVD ripper site. There is an email support link there, though, and inquiries can be made there as to how to make donations (mtr@wormintheapple.gr).

[dr9553]

no problems except for the usual pain in the ass dvd's like six feet under season 1 dvd 3...

[WiseWeasel]

Do any rippers work with that DVD? Have you tried "ForceRead" mode in MTR 2.0? Maybe it's just a poorly-mastered DVD, either the specific copy you have or the whole production run. I'd say to try to locate another copy of it to try with.