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Deku Scrub
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005
Location: US
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Want to buy a new desktop... looking for some recommendations.
Here are my requirements:
Must be able to rip my blu ray movies... eventually I want to get everything stored on HDD and stream them to my TV.
Streaming smoothly to TV very important
I'm wondering if I want to get a mega HDD built in, or an external 2+ TB....
Would be nice to multitask and do other stuff while ripping, encoding, etc. But not a necesity.
It has been a long time since I've bought a PC and I'm not sure if I need a smoking hot video card, but would like a very fast PC in general for everyday operations.
Ripping blu ray/storing movies/streaming are my biggest requirements.
Budget: Like to keep in under $1k
Thanks for any suggestions! 
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fritzi93
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Joined: 01 Nov 2003
Location: U.S.
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A dual-core processor or better. A current PCIe video card with DXVA will do the job, starting at under $20 bucks. A card that specifies it is HDCP and Blu-Ray capable, they're really getting cheap now. So just about any current desktop with the above would do. Look at my computer specs (actually my HTPC built about a year ago). That's about the minimum necessary.
You can go up from there as far as you like. Why not build one yourself? 
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jagabo
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Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: none
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| Deku Scrub wrote: |
Must be able to rip my blu ray movies... eventually I want to get everything stored on HDD and stream them to my TV.
Streaming smoothly to TV very important |
What do you mean by "stream them to my TV"? Does your TV play 1080p h.264 files via Ethernet? Or do you mean you want to play the files on your computer while seeing them on your TV?
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MOVIEGEEK
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Joined: 08 Mar 2002
Location: CA,USA
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Deku Scrub
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005
Location: US
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| jagabo wrote: |
Or do you mean you want to play the files on your computer while seeing them on your TV? |
Yes.
I have an Xbox 360, but I'm fully prepared to invest in another player if it means streaming in HD with no problems.
I've been using Xbox360/TVersity to watch all my non-HD media.
But this standard-def is hurting my eyes. 
I am ready to move on.
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Why not build one yourself? |
Believe me; I'm thinking about it.
I'm not a PC gamer, but like I said I do want a fast system.
Thanks for the input guys.
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jagabo
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Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: none
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| Deku Scrub wrote: |
| jagabo wrote: |
Or do you mean you want to play the files on your computer while seeing them on your TV? |
Yes. :) |
Then the advice the others have given is good. To play 1080p h.264 you'll need either a dual core CPU or a graphics card with h.264 decoding (DXVA in Windows). You will run across some 1080p files that DXVA can't play (too many reference frames or other unsupported advanced h.264 features) so it's safe to have both. So start with at least a Core 2 Duo (or AMD Phenom II X2) and a graphics card with hardware h.264 decoding. Two digital outputs (two DVI, or DVI + HDMI) if you plan on using a monitor and an HDTV.
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fritzi93
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Joined: 01 Nov 2003
Location: U.S.
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| Deku Scrub wrote: |
| fritzi93 wrote: |
Why not build one yourself? |
Believe me; I'm thinking about it. |
Well, there's the obvious point that you can assemble known reliable parts. The reviews at Newegg, for example, can be useful, taken with a hefty grain of salt.
But consider this:
You'll be familiar with everything inside your new computer and will have a leg up if you ever need to troubleshoot (and you probably will sometime, it's in the nature of the things). You can re-use parts as well, from fans to hard drives.
It's not hard. I'm no expert, and I'm not being modest.  Redwudz had a really nice, well-illustrated, and concise general guide on building a computer. I bet you could still get it. Good luck.
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redwudz
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Location: AZ, USA
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Deku Scrub
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005
Location: US
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Thanks for the advice everyone.
I'm considering configuring a Velocity Micro Z30. http://www.velocitymicro.com/wizard.php?iid=186
But as a non-gamer, do you think that's a bit overkill? I do want to encode video and other high performance tasks. If I do this, I want to be sure I get the right video card, etc.
Thanks,
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redwudz
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Joined: 07 Sep 2002
Location: AZ, USA
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The only problems I see with that PC is it uses some generic parts, like the power supply and possibly the RAM. It also uses a Micro-ATX motherboard, which has limited expansion capability. I would opt for a faster CPU, something closer to 3Ghz if you are going to deal with Blu-ray. And I would add two more hard drives to deal with large video files. Not a good idea to use a boot drive for that. 
You would also need a BD ROM drive. Make sure the PC has enough SATA connections. If you have three HDDs, two optical drives, you need five connections there. I also use a PCI slot eSATA connector for external drives. But my MB has eight SATA connectors.
If you plan to overclock the CPU for more performance, the stock Intel cooler isn't up to that. You also want to look into the case cooling. Modern video cards generate a lot of heat, so front intake and rear exhaust fans are really needed. 120mm fans are usually quieter than 80mm fans.
As to building a similar PC with name brand parts, that will cost you about $1000 - $1500US, depending on the add ons and set up.
I just put this PC together for my nephew. It just has two 500GB WD HDDs as he doesn't do video, but it's easily capable of BD processing and playback. It has a 3Ghz quad core CPU, 4GB DDR2 RAM and uses a Lian Li case.
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Soopafresh
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Joined: 01 Jan 2004
Location: United States
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I second the additional hard drive and would consider adding to it a better video card. Also, that machine isn't equipped by default with a wireless LAN card.
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Deku Scrub
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005
Location: US
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hhmmmm..... I'm kind of torn here.
I would like build my own.
However, I do want Windows 7... so that's an extra $200 if I build it myself.... Price-wise, do you think it's still a better option than buying a pre-built, since they come with win7 installed...??
Thanks again,
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Soopafresh
Craptastic
Joined: 01 Jan 2004
Location: United States
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You'll have to do the math. The prices quoted on the website you linked to are pretty reasonable. Windows 7 Home is only $120. Are you sure you need the additional feature of Professional or Ultimate?
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Deku Scrub
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Location: US
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Okay, you talked me into it.
Question for those of you experienced with building PC's:
Is Newegg the best option? I live 5 minutes from Fry's. Do you think I should make a shopping list and pay them a visit?
Or do they not have quality stuff...?
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edDV
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Joined: 06 Mar 2004
Location: Northern California, USA
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Fry's usually has great mobo-cpu combo deals each Friday ad. These combos are usually cheaper than Newegg.
You need to research the mobo. Cheapest mobo deals are usually problematic ECS or similar. The mid level boards are usually better.
Don't expect any help from them except maybe memory selection. Know your stuff going in.
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redwudz
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Joined: 07 Sep 2002
Location: AZ, USA
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Fry's can be a good source for some items, if they are on sale. NewEgg generally has better day to day prices.
I start with a CPU. That will determine the motherboard type and the MB will determine the RAM type.
Next the case and the power supply. Then the rest of the parts, drives and cards.
I use a spreadsheet to evaluate different options, then I can move things around. This PC contained some used parts:
(Click on the jpeg two times to enlarge.)
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usually_quiet
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Joined: 14 Aug 2006
Location: United States
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I built my first system a couple of months ago. Plan to spend some time reading the specs for the items that interest you, researching what goes with what, and reading customer reviews to avoid mistakes.
I bought a MSI 785GM-E65 MATX motherboard and AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor on Labor Day weekend. I took advantage of a combo deal at NewEgg and got a good price. I bought a case with PSU, 2GB of inexpensive DDR3 memory, windows Vista Home Premium with a Windows 7 upgrade coupon, a new sata DVD burner, a floppy drive and cables. I re-used 2 EIDE hard drives, and my existing CRT monitor. With careful shopping, I only spent about $460, including shipping. I will admit that using a cheap PSU that came with the case is not ideal, but replacing it is the first upgrade I intend to make.
The motherboard is designed for building an HTPC but I'm presently using it for general-purpose computing and SD video playback. I wanted something would be capable of playing back HD content when I could afford to add a BD-ROM drive and the onboard graphics are sufficient for that, though it wouldn't be enough for newer video games. The motherboard has VGA as well as HDMI and DVI ports, but it can only drive 2 monitors if one uses VGA. I haven't tried streaming video to a TV except for HULU using a fairly slow DSL connection, so I can't say how well it stream video under normal conditions.
I haven't had my new system long enough to say it will be durable, but I am happy with it so far. I wanted an MATX case so it would be smaller and lighter than my old system. It only has 4 expansion slots, but that's probably going to be enough for me. Even though it is an MATX. the motherboard has a lot packed into it. I only used 4 expansion slots with my previous system and that includes the video card and internal modem that shipped with it. Whether you will need more or not depends on what you want to be able to add.
This is really a budget system, with more money it will be possible to do more.
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Jim44
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Joined: 21 Feb 2004
Location: Pleasant Hill, CA
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| Deku Scrub wrote: |
Question for those of you experienced with building PC's:
Is Newegg the best option? |
My 2 cents: I'm lazy, so if I can avoid even the extra 7 minutes to drive to my local Fry's, I will.
Way easier to order from Newegg from a computer I'm already sitting in front of (work or home) and have the stuff show up at my house in a couple of days. I've built a couple of computers over the last 5 years or so, almost all the components, as well as some recent upgrades, were purchased from Newegg.
Having done your research ahead of time, as others have mentioned, helps regardless of which store you use. And as fritzi93 alluded to, learning to filter the Newegg reviews becomes a skill after a while.
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jagabo
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| edDV wrote: |
| Fry's usually has great mobo-cpu combo deals each Friday ad. These combos are usually cheaper than Newegg. |
The problem with those combos is that they usually include crappy motherboards. But the price is usually about the same as just buying the CPU from NewEgg. So if you're not happy with the motherboard you don't really lose anything by tossing it.
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MOVIEGEEK
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Location: CA,USA
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| Jim44 wrote: |
And as fritzi93 alluded to, learning to filter the Newegg reviews becomes a skill after a while. |
Here's an example for that LITE-ON BD drive in my previous post:
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doesn't seem to work linux
Reviewed By: hubbe on 11/3/2009 Tech Level: high - Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
This user purchased this item from Newegg
Pros: plays blu-ray
Cons: linux can't find it
Other Thoughts: perhaps a firmware update will fix it...
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As Ron White says "you can't fix stupid".
Fry's has some good prices but you can generally find better prices online.
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edDV
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Location: Northern California, USA
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| jagabo wrote: |
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| Fry's usually has great mobo-cpu combo deals each Friday ad. These combos are usually cheaper than Newegg. |
The problem with those combos is that they usually include crappy motherboards. But the price is usually about the same as just buying the CPU from NewEgg. So if you're not happy with the motherboard you don't really lose anything by tossing it. |
Trick is to wait for a good one (e.g. GigaByte or Intel). This usually happens with minor mobo revision updates such as from DDR2 to DDR3 memory. They will sell off the DDR2 only models.
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fritzi93
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Deku Scrub
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Location: US
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Thanks again for the input everyone. I am in the beginning stages of gathering information and figuring out figuring out what I need.
My biggest concern is everything being compatible with the motherboard. Is this information easy to find?
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Jim44
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Joined: 21 Feb 2004
Location: Pleasant Hill, CA
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| Deku Scrub wrote: |
| My biggest concern is everything being compatible with the motherboard. Is this information easy to find? |
Should be, at the M/B manufacturer's web site (Gigabyte has pretty good info, I would assume others do as well).
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usually_quiet
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Joined: 14 Aug 2006
Location: United States
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A few hints that I wish I learned about before I started looking at parts:
Look at the specs on the manufacturer's main website, I ran into one situation where the US website specified DDR2 memory only, but the Taiwan site listed DDR2 and DDR3, which turned out to be correct, Also, pay attention to features listed as "optional". Those may not be available from any vendor here, in some cases,
Check the CPU you want against the motherboard's CPU support list, and when buying memory, it is safest to buy one of the products on the memory support list.
Chances are the motherboard will support memory that is faster than the CPU you are going to buy can use. Unless you intend to overclock or know in advance that you will upgrade to a CPU that supports something better, only buying the fastest memory the CPU can use will save a little money.
It is a good idea to review the manual, especially the layout of the board. Sometimes you must look at the manufacturer's support pages to find the manual.
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sharkbite
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Joined: 22 Jun 2006
Location: Australia
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....and speaking of memory....
most people will recommend 2G or more be on board....
i went and bought 2G - but even when doing heavy video conversion,
task manager only reports total use of about 600-700 meg...
this is with VS10 converting to DVD at the same time as videoredo is looking for commercials to cut....
Anyone care to comment about why one could need more than 1G?
cheers
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redwudz
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Location: AZ, USA
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If you are running XP, 2GB is usually plenty. But newer OS's like Vista and W7 can and usually do use more RAM. I find 4GB a better choice with those. That said, 4GB is usually maximum for a 32 bit OS. It can't use more. A 64 bit OS doesn't have those limitations.
Encoding is not RAM intensive. The extra RAM is for the OS. But some graphic programs can use more. Photoshop is one example. RAM has gotten more expensive of late, but I would still recommend 4GB for Vista or W7.
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