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That is my number one fear...my fridge being hacked. "Oh no, someone moved my milk to the top shelf..."

You are concerned about a software company planning on 5 year obsolesence? Hardware manufacturers have counted on 3 year obsolesence for decades...auto manufacturers count on 3 years as well. That is why the 3 year lease option is usually the best in terms of payment to residual. They want you to go that way and lead you down "the path". Any Harvard MBA can explain it to you.

Calvin Klein has a different plan...he uses the seasons to drive your wife to spend more than you make in a year in one month on things she can only wear once...and then there is the shoes...all those shoes.

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The GUI is what makes Windows "Windows" -- without it, all you have is a kernel base code. What can anybody normal do with that?
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lordsmurf wrote:
The GUI is what makes Windows "Windows" -- without it, all you have is a kernel base code. What can anybody normal do with that?


Soccer Mommy's driving Hybrids, Harvard MBA's driving SLK's and 25 year old World of Warcraft experts living in their parent's basements must understand binary, hexidecimal and assembly language...and how to apply them. It just makes sense...

It makes one wonder how a company like Microsoft got started in the first place...the first 2 didn't even get their Harvard MBA's...the 3rd one did...and he would eat you alive.

It makes the whole world look like a bunch of Script Kiddies...complaining about the script they just got.

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The GUI is what makes Windows "Windows" -- without it, all you have is a kernel base code. What can anybody normal do with that?


Exactly! @JohnnyMalaria what glue are you sniffing!!

Microsoft claimed in its anti-trust suit by the government that they COULD NOT remove Internet Explorer from the Operating System. Now you are saying they can remove the GUI??? So either Microsoft lied or you don't know what you are talking about.

The only Operating System the exists whereby you can install and run without a GUI is Linux.

FYI Microsoft can include other applications without it being considered bundled. They can include 3rd party apps. Linux does it. rolleyes.gif

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Post Posted: Oct 30, 2009 10:10 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Windows 7 is the best right now, if you want performance then use WINDOWS 3.1 biggrin.gif

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RLT69 wrote:
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The GUI is what makes Windows "Windows" -- without it, all you have is a kernel base code. What can anybody normal do with that?


Exactly! @JohnnyMalaria what glue are you sniffing!!

Microsoft claimed in its anti-trust suit by the government that they COULD NOT remove Internet Explorer from the Operating System. Now you are saying they can remove the GUI??? So either Microsoft lied or you don't know what you are talking about.

The only Operating System the exists whereby you can install and run without a GUI is Linux.


microsoft did lie and you don't know what you are talking about. start up any browser you wish, notepad, a torrent client, anything you want, start task manager, kill explorer.exe, and watch as the gui shuts down but the appications keep running, as a matter of fact i just did it, firefox and utorrent are still running but the gui is gone, try it for yourself.

furthermore, in addition to linux, any unix variant is capable of the same thing, solaris, BeOS and if i had to bet money on it i would guess that OS X is capable of the same feat as well.

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Post Posted: Oct 30, 2009 16:58 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
RLT69 wrote:
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The GUI is what makes Windows "Windows" -- without it, all you have is a kernel base code. What can anybody normal do with that?


Exactly! @JohnnyMalaria what glue are you sniffing!!

Microsoft claimed in its anti-trust suit by the government that they COULD NOT remove Internet Explorer from the Operating System. Now you are saying they can remove the GUI??? So either Microsoft lied or you don't know what you are talking about.

The only Operating System the exists whereby you can install and run without a GUI is Linux.

FYI Microsoft can include other applications without it being considered bundled. They can include 3rd party apps. Linux does it. rolleyes.gif


Did they teach you comprehension at school? Go back and read what I said. Oh, scratch that. I'll save you the trouble. What I said is that the OPERATING SYSTEM is the NT kernel. That's it. The GUI is a user-mode APPLICATION that uses the NT OS. The NT OS can exist without the Windows GUI. In fact, the NT kernel supports other frameworks such as POSIX. Obviously, in spite of any glue I may have lying around, I am not suggesting MS provide the kernel by itself. Also, the way IE is/was intertwined with the Windows user-mode layer is a completely irrelevant analogy. Sniff. Aaahhh.

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deadrats wrote:
microsoft did lie and you don't know what you are talking about. start up any browser you wish, notepad, a torrent client, anything you want, start task manager, kill explorer.exe, and watch as the gui shuts down but the appications keep running, as a matter of fact i just did it, firefox and utorrent are still running but the gui is gone, try it for yourself.


You must have stolen my glue. All you have done is prove my point. The reason the apps still run is because, like them, the GUI is a user-mode application and not part of the OS in its truest sense. The GUI is a process called explorer.exe. It's as simple as that. If the first instance of explorer.exe to be created is killed then you can run a new instance of explorer.exe and the GUI will come back. Furthermore, the WIN32 API allows you to define a different GUI if anyone wanted to waste the effort to do so. And you can boot into a non-GUI version of Windows. The entire OS (the kernel) is there as is cmd.exe. explorer.exe is missing from the process list. Unfortunately for you I do know what I'm talking about. I have a lot of experience programming WIN32, NT kernel and other Windows frameworks. I have read more pages in MSDN that I care to recall. I would hazard a guess you have read less than one.

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Post Posted: Oct 30, 2009 17:14 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
lordsmurf wrote:
The GUI is what makes Windows "Windows" -- without it, all you have is a kernel base code. What can anybody normal do with that?


Er...that's what I told you.

deadrats
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Post Posted: Oct 30, 2009 17:42 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
JohnnyMalaria wrote:
deadrats wrote:
microsoft did lie and you don't know what you are talking about. start up any browser you wish, notepad, a torrent client, anything you want, start task manager, kill explorer.exe, and watch as the gui shuts down but the appications keep running, as a matter of fact i just did it, firefox and utorrent are still running but the gui is gone, try it for yourself.


You must have stolen my glue. All you have done is prove my point. The reason the apps still run is because, like them, the GUI is a user-mode application and not part of the OS in its truest sense. The GUI is a process called explorer.exe. It's as simple as that. If the first instance of explorer.exe to be created is killed then you can run a new instance of explorer.exe and the GUI will come back. Furthermore, the WIN32 API allows you to define a different GUI if anyone wanted to waste the effort to do so. And you can boot into a non-GUI version of Windows. The entire OS (the kernel) is there as is cmd.exe. explorer.exe is missing from the process list. Unfortunately for you I do know what I'm talking about. I have a lot of experience programming WIN32, NT kernel and other Windows frameworks. I have read more pages in MSDN that I care to recall. I would hazard a guess you have read less than one.


why exactly did you address to me? i knew all of this, hell for all practical purposes already posted this. my post wasn't directed at you, perhaps you still have the glue in your possession.

go back and reread through this thread and maybe this time you will understand the context my comments where made in.

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Post Posted: Oct 30, 2009 17:48 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Seems we are in agreement (perhaps). That's cool. Now, if you'll forgive, it seems superglue was a bad move.

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