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ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 09:59 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
I have really noticed that the last dvd that I made did not look that good. I was wondering if anyone could help me with my settings.
Here are the properties that I have. What should I change?
It is standard def with a brand new camera.

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ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 10:02 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Here are my rendering settings.





ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 10:04 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Anyone have any ideas?

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 10:05 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Can you be more specific about what was "wrong" with it?

What was the camera footage? DV?

I would checkmark 2pass in the render settings, instead of 1pass vbr

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 10:06 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Set it to "two pass" and a minimum bitrate of 2,000,000 bps, also set maximum to 9,000,000 bps to be safe. Make sure you have the right aspect ratio, if the source is 16:9 then output 16:9.
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ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 11:19 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
The camera had been set to 16:9 and I needed to convert it to 4:3. Could that have been some of the problem? Here is the situation I am in. Tell me what you think would work best?
I put the video of the football game in to be broadcast out to people. Not everyone has 16:9 capable sets so I was trying to make it possible for people to watch it without bars. Would you just do everything at 16:9 and let them worry about it or set the cam to 4:3 and render all at 4:3? Or leave it at 16:9 and render all at 16:9 and just broadcast it at 16:9?

Yes, it was DV with a S def mini DV camera. Camera set to 16:9. Thanks all for you quick responses.

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 11:27 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
if it were mine, and already shot in 16/9 i'd render it as 16/9 encoded as 4:3. the top and bottom black bar are encoded into it. people with sd tvs see it with the bars, people with hd tvs can zoom in and remove the bars.

miniDV to me looks better when shot 4:3.

ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 11:30 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
What about the project properties that I have listed in my first post? Any advice there?

ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 11:32 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
minidv2dvd wrote:
if it were mine, and already shot in 16/9 i'd render it as 16/9 encoded as 4:3. the top and bottom black bar are encoded into it. people with sd tvs see it with the bars, people with hd tvs can zoom in and remove the bars.

miniDV to me looks better when shot 4:3.


Ok, I may have lost you there. You are saying that if shot in 16:9 render it as 16:9 encoded as 4:3. How would I encode it as 4:3? I may just misunderstand what you are saying. You think mini DV looks better at 4:3?? Could you just explain a little more. Thanks.

ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 11:47 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
poisondeathray wrote:
Can you be more specific about what was "wrong" with it?

What was the camera footage? DV?

I would checkmark 2pass in the render settings, instead of 1pass vbr

The edges are very zig zagged if that is a word. Not the good quality I have been seeing.

MOVIEGEEK
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 12:02 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
I would keep it as 16:9 so you don't lose any action. As for "zig zagged" it sounds like you need to reverse the field order, use Mediainfo on your DV files to see what field order they are and encode the same way.
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ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 12:27 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Here is what mediainfo shows. Can you help me with that?

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 12:45 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
in mediainfo change the view to text. you will get more of the needed info.

in the render settings change the aspect ratio to 16/9 and it should encode all the 16/9 video but add black bars top and bottom.

ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 12:56 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Ok, here is the text
This is my original video.
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 14:15 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
what i was tying to say before was that i think miniDV cam should shoot in 4:3 not 16/9. there tends to be a bit of blurriness when the 720X480 is stretched out to 854x480 on playback.

i don't see any thing else out of order in your settings the others haven't already mentioned.

you did right click on all the DVavi source files in vegas and make sure they are identified as widescreen DVavi 16/9? lower field first?

ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 15:33 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Ok, thanks.

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 16:15 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
DV 16x9 quality from the cam depends on whether the camera shoots with a full 16:9 sensor or crops it out of 4:3 (cheaper and older camcorders).

If you shoot 16x9 but want a 4:3 version you can letterbox, crop the sides or horizontally reframe the shot (horizontal pan/zoom in post) clip by clip.

Your settings look OK. You can increase average bit rate for better compression quality.
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ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 16:23 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
How high would you push avg bit rate?

ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 16:25 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
edDV wrote:


If you shoot 16x9 but want a 4:3 version you can letterbox, crop the sides or horizontally reframe the shot (horizontal pan/zoom in post) clip by clip.



How would I do this? I have never done this before and am still learning more about Vegas Pro every time I use it. Any steps I need to take?

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 16:49 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
ingeborgdot wrote:
How high would you push avg bit rate?


If you use AC-3 or mp2 audio, you can go up to 9500kbps or more (about one hour worth).
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ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 16:51 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
The videos all run from 58-112 minutes depending on the game.

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 16:56 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
with videos that length you might as well use cbr 8000. no need for vbr.

ingeborgdot
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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 17:03 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
What will that give me compared to vbr? Thanks again for your time and responses.

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 18:26 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
cbr will encode much faster, and at the same high quality throughout the video. vbr is useful for encoding video that needs to allocate bits sparingly where it can, to reduce the file size. you don't need to.

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Post Posted: Oct 25, 2009 21:27 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote
Look at the calculator to relate average bit rate to minutes.
http://www.videohelp.com/calc
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