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BD25 vs. DVD DL

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rysktkr
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Post Posted: Jun 16, 2009 18:45 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

Hi all,

Wanted to see what other peoples opinions on this subject are now that BD25 disc prices seem reasonable.

I recently was abe to buy BD-R 25 Ridata 15 pk for $35. this brings the /disc price to $2.33. I was able to purchase same format memorex brand for about the same amount. I wish to use the media to backup my BluRay discs. Verbatim DL disc are now approx. $1.25.

So the question is do I backup my BluRay movie collection with Memorex or RiData BD25 or Verbatim DVD DL.
The advantages of Verbatim DVD DL. Cheaper. Quality media.
the advantages of BD25. Less compression of movie - better quality picture.

I would probably go with the BD25 if quality of media wasn't an issue. In the early days of backing up DVDs, RiData seemed to be one of the preferred media. I used that media, now 4 years later I'm having to reburn all those DVDs with Tao or Verbatim as they RiData gets stuck when playing back.


videopoo
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Post Posted: Jun 16, 2009 20:59 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

Why are you asking us our opinion? Do whatever you prefer....

Personally i would just rip it to HDD. You can get a Terabyte of space for under $200.


poisondeathray
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Post Posted: Jun 16, 2009 21:05 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

videopoo wrote:

Personally i would just rip it to HDD. You can get a Terabyte of space for under $200.


Me too. It's ~$110-120 in Canada, so I would assume it would be close to $100 in US for 1TB

Not to mention the hours wasted and quality if you re-encoded (You can reduce the size substantially just by stripping all the extras and audio tracks, etc..)


rysktkr
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Post Posted: Jun 16, 2009 21:09 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I'm sure other more knowledgable people then myself ahve evaluated this. I would be interested in their opinion.

I thought about the hard drive option but you are looking at $5/BD with 25GB backup and you lose portabilty. You can't take it to a friends house and unless you have your house networked (most likely hardwired) your stuck at the HDD location.


poisondeathray
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Post Posted: Jun 16, 2009 21:21 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I've only used Verbatim for BD25 so far (for things like home movies and testing, I don't make backups of blu-rays on BD media), no other brands. Bit pricier, but I've had no issues so far (knock on wood). There is no long term data on burnt blu-ray or media type/brands yet or reliability

If you use DVD9, you will likely not use the HD audio either (not enough space), so it's not just picture quality that is suffering

Did you store your old RiData DVD's correctly? or did some kids use them as frisbee/coasters? I still have old cheap brand DVD's (like CMC memorex) that are about that old and they still work ok

I guess it depends on your quality loss threshold vs. cost threshold


rysktkr
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Post Posted: Jun 16, 2009 22:03 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

Very good point about the HD audio. I hadn't thought about that. That may have swung me into BD25 territory. If they to be reburnt at a later date hopefully they will be relatively cheap.

I wouldn't say my storage was optimal. they are in my office in a CD notebook holder. It sometimes get hot in my office but not unbearable. Other than that they are well taken care of.


mrswla
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Post Posted: Jun 16, 2009 22:46 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I have been using these for a few months now with great results. But as poisondeathray said, there really is no long term data on BD-R media yet.

Oh, btw, imgburn lists the disc id as Ritek-BR2-00.


rysktkr
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Post Posted: Jun 17, 2009 01:24 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

Very good point about the HD audio. I hadn't thought about that. That may have swung me into BD25 territory. If they to be reburnt at a later date hopefully they will be relatively cheap.

I wouldn't say my storage was optimal. they are in my office in a CD notebook holder. It sometimes get hot in my office but not unbearable. Other than that they are well taken care of.


maldb
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Post Posted: Jun 18, 2009 17:55 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

Based on previouse experience with Memorex and RiData, I would never use them for anything other than frisbees. For DL and BD, Verbatim is tops. I'd rather spend the extra $ and get quality media and not have major headaches a year from now.

lordsmurf
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Post Posted: Jun 18, 2009 18:53 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

maldb wrote:
Based on previouse experience with Memorex and RiData, I would never use them for anything other than frisbees. For DL and BD, Verbatim is tops. I'd rather spend the extra $ and get quality media and not have major headaches a year from now.


Why would it take a year from now?
Most bad burns -- common to those discs -- are evident right away, during testing or playing.
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maldb
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Post Posted: Jun 19, 2009 04:55 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

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Why would it take a year from now?
Most bad burns -- common to those discs -- are evident right away, during testing or playing.


The discs I burned played OK at first. Left them on the shelf and came back 6 mos to a year later and they were unwatchable - alot of freezing/pixelation. My Prodisc and TY discs which were older, played fine. I fell for the "just as good as" comments and went with the cheaper media. Never again.


rysktkr
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Post Posted: Jul 07, 2009 20:55 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

just as an fyi. I have now burned 15 Memorex and 15 Ridata BD-R with not one coaster. All play fine on PowerDVD9. I don't have any BD standalone player. They also have the same disc code. Playing them long term is the question that remains to be answered.

angel40204
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Post Posted: Oct 05, 2009 05:52 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

i burned 50 traxdata x4 or x2 with imgburn and power2go with udf 2.0 for data . after a few months . when i went back to check some of the mkv or ts files i had on some of those blu-rays . i got a bunch of those discs that would not work anymore . the drive did not detect the disc . impossible to read the data . they were checked with the software and visually by me to make sure they were burned properly . and they were working at that time . either the brand is not good . and that is a lot of defective blu-rays or the lg ggw -h20l was defective . i got to send back the drive , and got another one new to replace it after 11 months of use . but i was not told if the problem was really the drive and i was right on . so
i am a little perplex as to assume that the technology is not ready or i got really unlucky . i sent back also the traxdata , i think made by ritek in eastern europe . and could not get them replace . i should have all of them back soon to see if some of them that were still working , still work or also have gone bad .
this is really frustrating . and the cost of 5 euros per disk is cheaper than others for a blu-ray , but still not cheap to throw away.
not only the loss of data to recuperate and the time lost .
i have those movies backed up to 1.5 tb drives now until i know more about the reliability of those blu-rays discs .
actually cheaper to buy hard drives . only down side is the fragility of those drives .


lordsmurf
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Post Posted: Oct 05, 2009 11:30 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

maldb wrote:
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Why would it take a year from now?Most bad burns -- common to those discs -- are evident right away, during testing or playing.

The discs I burned played OK at first. Left them on the shelf and came back 6 mos to a year later and they were unwatchable - alot of freezing/pixelation. My Prodisc and TY discs which were older, played fine. I fell for the "just as good as" comments and went with the cheaper media. Never again.

Never tested. Without the initial quality information, from multiple tests, there is no way to unequivocally state data has "disappeared"

That's about the same as claiming "she doesn't want to date me" without even asking her or talking to her.

It's just a random assumption based on nothing.
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lordsmurf
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Post Posted: Oct 05, 2009 11:32 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

angel40204 wrote:
i burned 50 traxdata x4 or x2 with imgburn and power2go with udf 2.0 for data . after a few months . when i went back to check some of the mkv or ts files i had on some of those blu-rays . i .

Again, it sounds like you never tested the burns -- maybe never even accessed them.

Not testing media is about on par with not spellchecking a resume/CV.
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angel40204
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Post Posted: Oct 05, 2009 13:33 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

lordsmurf . just read my post. this is the frist thing i do with all data i burned. they were playing for a while also . i think i am pretty clear . you are pretty thick . i don't claim anything , this is my bad experience and it cost me about $ 450.00 so far in blu-rays .

angel40204
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Post Posted: Oct 05, 2009 13:47 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

" they were checked with the software and visually by me to make sure they were burned properly . and they were working at that time ."

lordsmurf . this is written and posted on my original reply .


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