Is there any DVD Player with FireWire output? (no recorder)

Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

Hi
Can anybody help me? I am looking for a DVD player with FireWire output, I now there are DVD players/recorders with FireWire output but I am not sure about DVD players, does anybody know? Is there any DVD Player with FireWire output?
I appreciate any help in advance.

MJA · Member Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Location: IL

never seen one.only USB

Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

Thanks for reply, yes I searched and not found but I am here maybe someone knows more…maybe

edDV · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 16:36

There are some high end JVC DV-DVD recorders with Firewire out but I've never seen a player only.

There are also D-VHS recorders with IEEE-1394 in/out but not DV format. They are MPeg2-TS.
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Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

edDV, you always give good information, thank you. let s see what the other people say

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SatStorm · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 17:19

I don't know any DVD with Firewire out.

I know that you can buy a device like canopus A55 and do that.
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Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

You mean ADVC55? What is that, I think it is converter. Can I play DVD-video and send it to computer by ADVC55? Does Edius recognize it as OHCI capture card?

SatStorm · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 17:38

Yes, I mean ADVC55.

It is a capture device that converts whatever you feed it to DV and use firewire for connections. There are many devices like that one, but it is considered among the best.

You can store or simply watch with that device. Actually, you can do that with all the capture cards out there, they don't have to be DV.

What you have in mind?
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edDV · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 17:44

The ADVC's (55 to 300 anyway) only accept S-Video. There are higher models.

The newer ADS Pyro models will accept analog component 480i. That might be better for your application.
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Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

Yes I have worked with DV Storm and Edius NX and Grass valley wonderful application (Edius) but I want DVD player with FireWire for a place that don’t have capture card. Your suggestion seems to be interesting, I should think more but if I could not find DVD player with 1394 output.
Yes, I am reading about ADVC 55 in Canopus website, it has s-video and composite and this is its weak point but I can’t find ADS Pyro, where is it?

Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

I found ADS Pyro, I never worked with ADS products, it is good brand?

SatStorm · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 18:14

Do you know iznogood? That's ADS compared to Canopus!

Well, you can read on our capture card list the comments.

S-Video is not bad for Standard definition. IMO is enough. And since you are in Middle East, you have PAL / ME-SECAM there, so you are 576i not 480i. That is for USA/America & Japan.
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Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

Yes we use PAL but we use NTSC too, we work with both format, but what do you mean by that? You mean component is not for 576i, as I know it is. Quality is always important in editing.

SatStorm · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 18:33

I mean that S-Video 576i is not bad for capturing PAL on Standard Definition.
Component / RGB are better, but visually there are no difference. Especially when you capture from an average standalone DVD player.

Cornucopia · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 20:26

SatStorm, I would agree that S-Video is not BAD for capturing, but there certainly is visually a difference between RGB/Component and S-Video, even viewing on a older CRT.
And lots of DVD players have Component/RGB out, so it's worth it to go that route.

Scott

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edit: OP, All the ones I know of are Recorders.
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edDV · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 21:02

Sorry, I meant to say 576i. These units are dual standard.

I own the Canopus ADVC-100 and like it. It is bi-directional. The newer model is the ADVC-110.

The ADS Pyro has the advantage of YPbPr 720x576i component input but reports are it may not be as stable or reliable as the Canopus ADVC.

Still, if I was dubbing direct from a DVD player, I'd rather do it analog component than S-Video.
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guns1inger · Member Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Location: Miskatonic U

Why would you want to play from a DVD player to an analogue-to-digital converter ? Why not just rip directly from the disc ? What is the point of putting a needless analogue conversion in the way ?
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edDV · Posted: Jun 03, 2009 21:14

SatStorm · Posted: Jun 04, 2009 04:28

@Cornucopia: I don't disagree that RGB/Component is better S-Video, but regarding the visual difference when you capture PAL and when your source is a typical / average DVD player, let me say that you won't see a difference visually! With a good DVD player as a source, and a nice big (50") TV screen, yes, you may notice a difference, if you haven't use good cables or your capture card is not top noch.

With NTSC, it is different: There is an obvious difference there. But that has to do with the nature of NTSC and the nature of Component.

Also for PAL, going from RGB to Component is a convertion, like RGB to S-Video (a convertion and "downgrade"). So, you lost something there, in both cases.
So, the true question is if what you loose worth the trouble of the other root.
As I said, with the average DVD standalone player, I don't consider that it is worth the trouble.

Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

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Why would you want to play from a DVD player to an analogue-to-digital converter ? Why not just rip directly from the disc ? What is the point of putting a needless analogue conversion in the way ?

Thanks for all answers, I know I can rip DVD and I have done it many times but I have some NTSC DVDs that I want to convert to PAL, what is the best method for converting NTSC to PAL? There are many articles but in my experience the best method is to capture NTSC DVD as DVAVI and convert AVI to PAL, I got best result from this way and I still haven’t found better way but if you rip NTSC DVD and convert it to PAL, you wouldn’t get very good result. That is it.
Maybe there isn’t big difference between component and s-video but if ADS pyro isn’t enough stable, there isn’t any converter as good as ADVC but with component output?
Of course this topic was about DVD player with FireWire output, I still hope to find this device, in this case I don’t need ADVC or something like that.

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SatStorm · Posted: Jun 04, 2009 11:39

Convert NTSC to PAL?

Rip NTSC, IVTC to 23.97, de-interlace (if necessary), speed up to 25fps, speed up the audio to 25fps, resize to PAL framesize, re-encode.

I have somewhere an article about that: Search "SatStorm Advices"
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Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

Yes I read your article (A 12 step NTSC to PAL), once I used TMPGenc and I didn’t like it, there was shimmer in the scene especially when camera panned, I use Procoder it is much more better.

SatStorm · Posted: Jun 04, 2009 13:37

Then use Procoder to encode. TMPGenc is not necessary.
It just happened and back then was my favorite encoder.

The rest steps can be used anyway.

Sean_ve99 · Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Location: Middle East

If I want to buy converter with component output, do you recommend another device?