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themaster1
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Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Location: France
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I have tried h264/faac with 470,602,1500 bitrates with a 480x360 size and all gets reencoded.Lq version is awful and Hq version is as well :/
Vp7/2000kps doesn't change anything and is not in any way shape or form, good quality.Actually the HQ version is not available
What are the odds that according to the category you pick (entertainment, news& politix etc) youtube encoder use a preset which would lower the video's quality ?)
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Assault
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Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Location: Canada
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For everyone who wants a quick and decent quality way to upload to youtube, just encode it with Xvid at 1000 kbps, single pass, 640x480 or 480x360 (both give the high quality option). It won't give PERFECT quality, but it is very good, and the encoding/uploading times are short.
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dark_guard
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Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Location: United States
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In my experience any resolution that isn't divisible by 480x360 i.e. 640x480 will screw up your text and fine details because of youtube's crappy resizer. That's why some people like to resize directly to 480x360, but when you do that you also lose lots of details - just try it out and compare. A good resolution is 960x720.
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| Vp7/2000kps doesn't change anything and is not in any way shape or form, good quality.Actually the HQ version is not available |
It gives me the HQ option. Are there any better methods?
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Assault
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Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Location: Canada
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960x720 is identical to 480x360 on youtube because they resize it anyways, it's better to resize it using efficient/higher quality methods then letting youtube do it. Yes, I have tested.
themaster1, youtube doesn't change quality according to the video's category. Otherwise they'd be re-encoding every time you edit your video's category, and they don't right now.
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atropine
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Joined: 08 Feb 2008
Location: east angola
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| Assault wrote: |
| For everyone who wants a quick and decent quality way to upload to youtube, just encode it with Xvid at 1000 kbps, single pass, 640x480 or 480x360 (both give the high quality option). It won't give PERFECT quality, but it is very good, and the encoding/uploading times are short. |
That's terrible advice. 640x480 single pass is going to have artifacts if there's just a normal amount of movement and then youtube encoder is going to have to work harder due to all the arteficts and create a video even worse.
Some people disagree on that though, say artifacts is good because it's essentially a much lower resolution video (as the encoder see's it). That's not true, just download low quality video from youtube and upload it again, and see l I would disagree on principal alone , I'd like to present the encoder with the best quality possible.
I do wonder if youtube only allows a certain amount of encoding resources per video/ per minute though. So if that were true, maybe it would be better to upload a a video at 480x360, so it's easier for youtube to encode, and the same amount of resources should deliver better quality than if you uploaded a 1080p version, assuming the same amount of processing resources are given to both.
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cjwcorp
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Joined: 21 Jun 2008
Location: United States
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Youtube site maintenance...
Lets see what they change this time.
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doomed
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Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Location: Limbo
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I uploaded a video with the same settings as I always do, but now there's no HQ flv or HQ mp4 version....
Either I must wait longer than I did or youtube changed something..
I'll take a nap and check back later..
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doomed
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Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Location: Limbo
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The HQ mp4 version was finally created and there is a nice surprise: the overall bitrate is 633kbps! The size of the file is 45.7mb
The video bitrate is 501kbps with max: 2236kbps
The audio bitrate is 125kbps with max: 209kbps
The resolution is 480x270 and the framerate: 29.968 fps
The source was 640x360, 29.97fps, 1287kbps 1-pass x264 with AAC 0.3 VBR Stereo audio. The size was 100mb and the length 10 min.
I think that the quality is pretty good!
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astin
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Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Taiwan
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according to the information of official youtube blog in my country,
to get "watch in high quality" option, the video must fulfill the following condition:
the same or more than
480x360 pixels
24fps
bitrate：
WMV: 800kbps
MJPEG: 3.3 Mbits/s
MPEG1: 1.5 Mbits/s
MPEG2: 4 Mbits/s
MPEG4: 900 kbits/s
H264: 600 kbits/s
you can see that H.264 is the best choice.
it didn't mention the sound, so take your choice.
of course you can have higher video bitrate to get better image, but the file size will increase, too.
I tried 800k H.264 + 128k AAC
and got the "watch in high quality" option.
now I'm trying 650k to see if it works.
all my videos use one-pass enocde
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tsm200
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Joined: 13 Jul 2008
Location: Netherlands
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how do you resize a video to 640x480 in virtualdub?
and do you have to save it in vritual dub as a vp70 avi or vp70 mp4?
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tsm200
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Joined: 13 Jul 2008
Location: Netherlands
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i got it all working and here is the information from my video im gonna upload:
Algemeen
Volledige naam : C:\Documents and Settings\jelle\Bureaublad\first hq test.avi
Formaat : AVI
Formaat/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Bestandsgrootte : 59.0 MiB
Duration : 5mn 0s
Totale bitrate : 1648 Kbps
Gebruikte encoder-bibliotheek : VirtualDub build 29963/release
Video
Formaat : VP7
Codec ID : VP70
Codec ID/Hint : On2
Duration : 2mn 30s
Bitrate : 1750 Kbps
Breedte : 640 pixels
Hoogte : 480 pixels
Beeldverhouding : 4/3
Framerate : 23.976 fps
Resolutie : 24 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.238
Stream size : 31.3 MiB (53%)
Audio
Formaat : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Unsigned
Codec ID : 1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 5mn 0s
Bitrate-modus : Constant
Bitrate : 1536 Kbps
Kanaal(en) : 2 kanalen
Samplerate : 48.0 KHz
Resolutie : 16 bits
Stream size : 27.5 MiB (47%)
its is really big!!
buth do i recieve the hq button? and a hq video with this one?
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doomed
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Joined: 11 Jul 2008
Location: Limbo
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1. Unless I upload a 4:3 video (480x360, 640x480, etc) I don't get a HQ button, no matter how big is the resolution and the bitrate.
2. The HQ button (I believe) plays the HQ mp4 version. I think that they finally switched the HQ flv with the HQ mp4. Can anyone confirm it?
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dark_guard
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Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Location: United States
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| doomed wrote: |
| 1. Unless I upload a 4:3 video (480x360, 640x480, etc) I don't get a HQ button, no matter how big is the resolution and the bitrate. |
That's correct, but sometimes it makes the HQ files anyway - you have to check for them and link to them separately.
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| 2. The HQ button (I believe) plays the HQ mp4 version. I think that they finally switched the HQ flv with the HQ mp4. Can anyone confirm it? |
I just checked and I get the .flv file.
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atropine
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Joined: 08 Feb 2008
Location: east angola
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interesting video hack from a spammer. Not that it's high quality, but whatever he's done to mess with the video might help in other ways. His video must have escaped youtube re-encoding.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xY7AJOnnNkY
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Captain Satellite
Space Cowboy
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
Location: The Twilight Zone
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Assault
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Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Location: Canada
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| atropine wrote: |
That's terrible advice. |
No, it really isn't. I was offering a way to get quick/decent quality video on youtube without a rediculous file size or long waiting time. I've uploaded content that had to be deinterlaced first (recorded from console/TV) and it still had very good quality with only 800 kbps single pass Xvid. Before you go off with your elitist attitude try to understand the post.
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manono
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Joined: 28 Aug 2003
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| Assault wrote: |
| atropine wrote: |
That's terrible advice. |
No, it really isn't. |
Yes, it really is, although if I were posting the response I might not have worded it so harshly. The bad advice wasn't in recommending 1-pass, but in recommending 1-pass CBR encoding. It's so obsolete that I find it strange that anyone is still actually using it, much less pushing it on others. There's nothing wrong with doing it for one pass, but make it quality or quant-based. A 1-pass XviD done for quant 3 will give very good quality, distributing the bits as needed, unlike 1-pass CBR encoding which might waste bits on static scenes while not providing enough for complex scenes. So, instead of doing it for target bitrate, do it for target quantizer and single pass. It has more to do with common sense than elitism.
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ricardouk
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Joined: 15 Mar 2005
Location: PORTUGAL
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Hi everyone!
Has anyone had problems uploading to youtube in the last 2 weeks? Whatever i upload its not in sync after being converted.
Usually i upload x264, 480x360 but i tried other formats and still the same problem.
Anyone having this type of problem?
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highvolumeJP
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Joined: 30 Mar 2007
Location: Canada
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It's interesting that people talk about cheating youtube - keep in mind that YouTube keeps usage logs - You can bypass the 10 min limit legaly, simply by following steps and having a director account or if you can argue that your content is yours - if you DO get caught cheating, and people CAN easily get caught, you get your IP banned and other legal measures depending on the video you posted. Not worth it.
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ricardouk
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Joined: 15 Mar 2005
Location: PORTUGAL
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@highvolumeJP
???????????????????
I wasnt talking about cheating, if you follow this thread and the other main one you would see that im not a big fan of loosing endless time trying to an upload when we can get decent quality without it.
X264 and WMV uploads turned out not in sync, the video on the latest upload was in slowmotion ????
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FulciLives
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Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA in the USA
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| atropine wrote: |
interesting video hack from a spammer. Not that it's high quality, but whatever he's done to mess with the video might help in other ways. His video must have escaped youtube re-encoding.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xY7AJOnnNkY |
I followed this link today. I got the following msg on youtube.com ---> This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.
So much for whatever that was LOL
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bayme
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Joined: 10 Nov 2007
Location: EU
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| highvolumeJP wrote: |
| It's interesting that people talk about cheating youtube - keep in mind that YouTube keeps usage logs - You can bypass the 10 min limit legaly, simply by following steps and having a director account or if you can argue that your content is yours - if you DO get caught cheating, and people CAN easily get caught, you get your IP banned and other legal measures depending on the video you posted. Not worth it. |
It's not quite as scary as you think it is. In fact, the truth is that YouTube staff is reading here with us and knows all about what we want etc.
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic346256-540.html#1860276
try to communicate with them directly some more and things will turn out better for all involved..
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45tripp
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Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Location: Triptonia
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So much for whatever that was LOL
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well if a verbal description will do,
it was something like 30 seconds on clock,
but at about the 8 sec mark it kept in a loop of
going back and forward a second, but with the content changing
content was all advertising slides if i recall.
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In fact, the truth is that YouTube staff is reading here with us and knows all about what we want etc.
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what i'd want is to be able to upload under a set of parameters,
and not get re-encoded.
tripp
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themaster1
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Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Location: France
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i remember 2-3 years ago i have uploaded a 50 minutes footage which was a WMV version 8 and i think something was missing in the header of this file so i guess this helped to pass under the radar.
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Assault
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Joined: 29 Jun 2008
Location: Canada
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Probably fixed by now though, if it was 2-3 years ago I highly doubt it'd still slip by. o_o
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Golgota
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Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Malaysia
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq_GYE9KwEI
MP4 format
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 640x360 23.98fps 1000Kbps
Audio: AAC 22050Hz stereo 705Kbps
try to watch in high quality.
what do u guys think??
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tworegon
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Joined: 08 Jun 2008
Location: United States
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Youtube has announced "full length" videos on their blog http://www.youtube.com/blog
If you add &fmt=18 the fifty minutes Star Trek episode below downloads in mp4 format at a size of about 228meg
This is stereo - at least the comericals are.
Of course this is obviously for select accounts - like CBS
There is also an interesting "Theater" view and "Lights Off" view (just above the video) I haven't seen before, for an interesting effect.
Also on youtube blog, upload size has increased to one gig - for everyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmjVOUW3Szo&feature=PlayList&p=200 ... x=0&fmt=18 (Star Trek - sixties series)
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FulciLives
UNDEAD OVERLORD
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA in the USA
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| tworegon wrote: |
Youtube has announced "full length" videos on their blog http://www.youtube.com/blog
If you add &fmt=18 the fifty minutes Star Trek episode below downloads in mp4 format at a size of about 228meg
This is stereo - at least the comericals are.
Of course this is obviously for select accounts - like CBS
There is also an interesting "Theater" view and "Lights Off" view (just above the video) I haven't seen before, for an interesting effect.
Also on youtube blog, upload size has increased to one gig - for everyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmjVOUW3Szo&feature=PlayList&p=200 ... x=0&fmt=18 (Star Trek - sixties series)
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Whoa that's kewl.
I'm downloading that STAR TREK episode in MP4 now thanks to http://keepvid.com/
I wonder if this MP4 will play on my Sony PS3? I think I will find out and report back ...
- John "FulciLives" Coleman
P.S.
I finished downloading the CHARLIE X episode and this is what MediaInfo has to say about it:
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General
Complete name : Z:\SONY_PS3\ST_TOS_CHARLIEX.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 228 MiB
Duration : 50mn 27s
Overal bit rate : 633 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2008-09-08 23:13:09
Tagged date : UTC 2008-09-08 23:13:09
Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Baseline@L2.1
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Codec ID : avc1
Duration : 50mn 26s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 501 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 2017 Kbps
Width : 480 pixels
Height : 360 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4/3
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.097
Stream size : 181 MiB
Title : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v06.24.2007.
Encoded date : UTC 2008-09-08 23:13:16
Tagged date : UTC 2008-09-08 23:13:58
Audio
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 50mn 27s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 125 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 231 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Stream size : 45.3 MiB
Title : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v06.24.2007.
Encoded date : UTC 2008-09-08 23:13:09
Tagged date : UTC 2008-09-08 23:13:58 |
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bigguy5050
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Joined: 18 Jul 2008
Location: United States
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Wow.... have you guys seen the quality on youtube lately It just seems to get worse, and worse theirs just no going back now, youtube just..... fails.
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FulciLives
UNDEAD OVERLORD
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA in the USA
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I just wanted to add that the two STAR TREK episodes I downloaded from YOUTUBE.COM (both MP4) played back A-OK on my PS3 but the quality was not that great. Still though better than the usual quality from YOUTUBE.COM 
- John "FulciLives" Coleman
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