|
|
INDEX F.A.Q. SEARCH LATEST POSTS
Rules Register Profile Private messages Login
| Author |
Message |
MozartMan
Member
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: HockeyTown
|
|
| Sam Ontario wrote: |
| It means Blue ray absorbs/accept HD format. |
You got it wrong.
|
|
ofbarea
Member
Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Location: Costa Rica
|
|
lordsmurf
Video Restorer
Joined: 10 Jun 2003
Location: Want my advice? PM me.
|
|
| rhegedus wrote: |
| Conquest10 wrote: |
| rhegedus wrote: |
| the PS3 will inevitably outsell the 360. |
I don't see how that is possible. |
PS platforms have traditionally outsold their XBOX counterpart - PS2=111million, XBOX=24million to date.
The 360 has averaged monthly sales of around 250,000 since launch - PS3 sold nearly 200,000 in its first month despite restricted supply.
Backwards compatibility of the PS3 will mean that PS2 buyers are more likely to purchase a PS3 instead of the 360.
Stands to reason... |
Sadly, all of that means nothing.
As we have seen in the past, platform generations can wildly swing the stats, and the top dog can change virtually overnight. Simply look at Atari, Sega and Nintendo for examples of this. Sony is not untouchable or even close to it.
So far the PS3 is doing pretty dismal, compared to pre-launch forecasts.
Realize I say this as a non-gamer, just a person that has casually played games since the Odyssey system (the original Pong, long before the name was used for it). I have no special interest in any company, I merely watch from the sidelines. I have no dog in this fight.
Quite frankly, I find the notion that the PS3 will have any influence of Blu-Ray to be laughable. It's a video game, not a movie player. Regardless of how much companies may push for "multimedia entertainment centers", that concept is simply not catching on or being used by anybody but a niche of video-minded techies.
_________________
digitalFAQ.com -- Help with VHS to DVD, DVD recorders, other video/photo issues.
NoMoreCoasters.com -- How to avoid bad burns, how to find the best blank DVDs.
|
|
RLT69
Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
|
|
| lordsmurf wrote: |
So far the PS3 is doing pretty dismal, compared to pre-launch forecasts.
Realize I say this as a non-gamer, just a person that has casually played games since the Odyssey system (the original Pong, long before the name was used for it). I have no special interest in any company, I merely watch from the sidelines. I have no dog in this fight.
Quite frankly, I find the notion that the PS3 will have any influence of Blu-Ray to be laughable. It's a video game, not a movie player. Regardless of how much companies may push for "multimedia entertainment centers", that concept is simply not catching on or being used by anybody but a niche of video-minded techies. |
I say this as a non-gamer as well, OH COME ON!
SONY shipped a measly 200,000 units to the United States, that were snatched up right away; that had people paying SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS for a $600 unit and you want to say the PS3 is doing pretty dismal??
If SONY had shipped a couple MILLION units and people only bought 200 THOUSAND, I would agree with you. I cannot agree, nor anybody looking at the facts, that the sales of the PS3 are dismal. They did not have enough product to sell!! It's pretty easy to say you sold more when the cap was 200,000 and you had several million to sell. Wait until August, then talk to me about sales numbers.
Video came console, not a movie player? The fact that it plays movies should be discounted?
The fact that it's the cheapest blu-ray player and cheaper than a HD-DVD player is significant. Hell I'm not a gamer, could care less but I'm very interested in a PS3. I like the other capabilities. The fact that it can play games is a side benefit.
How do you know people aren't looking at the PS3 as something more than a game console? The fact is you don't. Until we have sales numbers to judge, we don't know much of anything.
If the PS3 only sells in the range of game console numbers, then your are correct. However, if it exceeds them, then something else is afoot.
|
|
xxiangg
Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2002
|
|
| RLT69 wrote: |
| lordsmurf wrote: |
So far the PS3 is doing pretty dismal, compared to pre-launch forecasts.
Realize I say this as a non-gamer, just a person that has casually played games since the Odyssey system (the original Pong, long before the name was used for it). I have no special interest in any company, I merely watch from the sidelines. I have no dog in this fight.
Quite frankly, I find the notion that the PS3 will have any influence of Blu-Ray to be laughable. It's a video game, not a movie player. Regardless of how much companies may push for "multimedia entertainment centers", that concept is simply not catching on or being used by anybody but a niche of video-minded techies. |
I say this as a non-gamer as well, OH COME ON!
SONY shipped a measly 200,000 units to the United States, that were snatched up right away; that had people paying SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS for a $600 unit and you want to say the PS3 is doing pretty dismal??
If SONY had shipped a couple MILLION units and people only bought 200 THOUSAND, I would agree with you. I cannot agree, nor anybody looking at the facts, that the sales of the PS3 are dismal. They did not have enough product to sell!! It's pretty easy to say you sold more when the cap was 200,000 and you had several million to sell. Wait until August, then talk to me about sales numbers.
Video came console, not a movie player? The fact that it plays movies should be discounted?
The fact that it's the cheapest blu-ray player and cheaper than a HD-DVD player is significant. Hell I'm not a gamer, could care less but I'm very interested in a PS3. I like the other capabilities. The fact that it can play games is a side benefit.
How do you know people aren't looking at the PS3 as something more than a game console? The fact is you don't. Until we have sales numbers to judge, we don't know much of anything.
If the PS3 only sells in the range of game console numbers, then your are correct. However, if it exceeds them, then something else is afoot. |
I do not think PS3 is doing very well. It is fading faster than I thought. You can buy
it from Amazon.com now for no makeup
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009VXAM0/ref=nosim/slickdeals
or circuit.com bundle
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/categorySpecial.do?catOid=-16622&a ... le4-_-link
If you use 10% off coupon for circuitcity.com from ebay, there is no much makeup either.
In addition, people not only start seeing PS3 available from Bestbuy and Walmart
here or there. They are seeing more and more returned PS3's.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t524280.html
The good news for PS3 is only lasted for a month. Frankly, I am not saying that PS3 has
no potential in the future. It still had a long way to go and no one knows where it will end.
|
|
Specialist
Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Oregon
|
|
Here's a better article about LG's brand new announcement of a dual-format high definition disc player:
http://tinyurl.com/y4vgo8
| Quote: |
| The LG announcement dramatically alters the competitive landscape for Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. The mere announcement of a dual-format player could stall the market for high-definition players and discs, as consumers anticipate the dual-format player's arrival. A dual-format player would offer consumers a hedge against obsolence, in the event one of the disc formats dies out over time. |
| Quote: |
However, while a dual-format player will help consumers worried about buying into the wrong format, it won't help content producers. Dual-format players will remain a rarity, for at least the next year. If dual-format players do become the norm, studios will be faced with a quandary: Continue to support both formats, a costly endeavor, or release new and catalog content in just one of the disc formats--thereby foregoing support of those early adopters who bought into whichever disc format falls by the wayside. |
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
|
|
ozymango
Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Location: Portland, OR
|
|
| Quote: |
However, while a dual-format player will help consumers worried about buying into the wrong format, it won't help content producers. Dual-format players will remain a rarity, for at least the next year. If dual-format players do become the norm, studios will be faced with a quandary: Continue to support both formats, a costly endeavor, or release new and catalog content in just one of the disc formats--thereby foregoing support of those early adopters who bought into whichever disc format falls by the wayside. |
Interesting points, but this is thinking inside the box.
Here's thinking outside the box:
Time Warner to announce dual-format DVDs next week
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Time Warner Inc. (NYSE:TWX - news) will unveil a new high-definition DVD next week that could end the battle between two next-generation videodisc technologies.
...
Total HD movies will carry movies that can be played on high-definition DVD players that use technology backed by Sony Corp.'s Blu-ray format, as well as players using Toshiba Corp.-backed HD-DVD format.
Is a Total HD disc a "costly endeavor"? Maybe, maybe not. But so much for the "quandry" mentioned above, which failed to consider that there may be a hell of a lot more options out there than we'd like to consider. 
|
|
Specialist
Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Oregon
|
|
| ozymango wrote: |
| So much for the "quandry" mentioned above, which failed to consider a third option. |
Excellent find!
Here's the link to the full article about this new "Total HD" disc by Time Warner:
http://tinyurl.com/yhlnk2
In addition, it now appears Hewlett Packard will be joining LG in offering dual-format hardware:
http://tinyurl.com/ymjxkm
| Quote: |
But at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas next week, at least one hardware provider, LG Electronics Co., is expected to showcase DVD players that work with either technology. Hewlett-Packard Co. will also have products that support both formats in the marketplace this year, a source close to the company says. Others are expected to follow suit. |
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
Last edited by Specialist on Jan 04, 2007 15:18, edited 1 time in total
|
|
Specialist
Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Oregon
|
|
Wow, these news articles are coming fast, but it's all good news for the consumer, in my opinion.
Nobody benefits from a long, drawn-out format war.
This news changes everything.
Both formats will be supported.
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
|
|
InXess
Banned
Joined: 10 Dec 2005
Location: Canada
|
|
This is only a compatibility mode - solution. Creating a disk still requires to opt for one of the original 2 or going with a 3rd one "Total HD". While it solves some issue from the user point of view it still, for now, adds to confusion rather then solves anything.
|
|
Specialist
Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Oregon
|
|
| InXess wrote: |
| This is only a compatibility mode - solution. Creating a disk still requires to opt for one of the original 2 or going with a 3rd one "Total HD". While it solves some issue from the user point of view it still, for now, adds to confusion rather then solves anything. |
But a "Total HD" disc, in theory, would allow for HD DVD on one side and Blu-ray Disc on the other side, right?
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
|
|
Constant Gardener
Member
Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: Canada
|
|
A dual-format hi-def DVD sounds a bit like that utensil with a knife on one end and a fork on the other. A feasible, but suboptimal, solution.
|
|
Specialist
Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Oregon
|
|
CNET is now carrying the New York Times piece by Richard Siklos:
http://tinyurl.com/yztoln
| Quote: |
Jeffrey L. Bewkes, the president of Time Warner, said the Total HD disc has a better chance of catching on than dual players. Research commissioned by Warner indicates that consumers are willing to pay several dollars more than current high-definition DVDs for a disc that works on both players. At the Web site for Best Buy, Warner's Superman Returns DVD was selling yesterday for $19.99 in its standard format, $29.99 for Blu-ray and $34.99 for HD DVD.
Still, it is not clear whether news of Warner's Total HD disc would convince the studio heads who are backing one format or the other to release their wares in both. Sony, of course, has placed a big bet on Blu-ray's success and does not want to relive the sting of Betamax's defeat. The number of studios committed solely to Blu-ray has been seen as a competitive edge, particularly because HD DVD came to market several months ahead of Blu-ray.
And HD DVD's boosters say they doubt gaming fans who have been snapping up the just-introduced PlayStation 3 will take advantage of its built-in Blu-ray player and buy movies as well as video games. |
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
|
|
InXess
Banned
Joined: 10 Dec 2005
Location: Canada
|
|
| Specialist wrote: |
But a "Total HD" disc, in theory, would allow for HD DVD on one side and Blu-ray Disc on the other side, right?
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net |
Again, how do you burn, when the time comes... have you read my post...?
Constant Gardener has summarized it correctly
|
|
Specialist
Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Oregon
|
|
Well, the TOTAL HD disc recording methodology isn't clear, at this point.
Even after reading the articles, I'm not exactly sure how it works.
But it seems hopeful to me.
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
|
|
InXess
Banned
Joined: 10 Dec 2005
Location: Canada
|
|
This is a solution for Studios but not for the user. Just a way to shove the disk down your throat.
|
|
ozymango
Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Location: Portland, OR
|
|
| InXess wrote: |
| This is a solution for Studios but not for the user. Just a way to shove the disk down your throat. |
Making a single disc that'll play on whatever HD player you buy, is shoving something down a user's throat? 
How the heck does this make things worse for the viewer? 
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I think this is pro user, not against. Making HD and Blu-Ray "compete" is anti-user: The manufacturing companies want to sell you the stuff they want to sell you, not make it easier for you to use something.
Let's say that they come out with a Total HD disc of a movie. Let's say I've got an HD player at home. I can watch this movie today on my HD player.
Let's say that five years from now, Blu-Ray has "won" and it's very hard to find a new HD player (like us Beta users experienced a few years ago), and you've still got that movie. Let's say you go ahead and buy yourself a new Blu-Ray player, for a lot less than you would have paid today.
Let's say that you then go through your movie collection and realize that you have to buy Blu-Ray copies of the DVDs you bought that only worked on HD players. But you don't have to spring any more $$$ for movies in your Total HD stack, as they'll play just fine.
Now, if a Total HD movie costs twice as much as either an HD or Blu-Ray release, then it seems pointless to go this route. But if some movie company wants to release movies at a relatively close price in Total HD, I'll be more likely to buy a copy of that disc today.
That's just me, of course.
|
|
RLT69
Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
|
|
What excactly does this prove? It simple means you can buy them now on Amazon and Walmart and BestBuy, which you weren't able to one month ago. FYI the circuit city ones are sold out.
You have one poster to a forum that states people have returned 12 PS3 because they could not sell them on Ebay. That's hardly a dis-satisfied customer returning a PS3. Not too mention do we have any way of verifying this?
The PS3 comes out in November and already people want to declare it a failure in January!
Come on. 
|
|
Specialist
Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Location: Oceanside, Oregon
|
|
Somebody translate this:
| Quote: |
| Because of manufacturing complexities, the Total HD disc will not contain a standard format version, said Kevin Tsujihara, the president of Warner Brothers Home Entertainment Group. However, several months ago the company filed patents for a new disc incorporating all three formats, which it could produce in the future. |
Link: http://tinyurl.com/yztoln
I find the above statements confusing.
Wait. I think I now understand.
They seem to be saying that they filed patents for a new disc that could incorporate support for ...
a. standard definition players
b. "Blu-ray Disc" high definition players
c. "HD DVD" high definition players
Right?
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
Last edited by Specialist on Jan 04, 2007 16:43, edited 5 times in total
|
|
ozymango
Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Location: Portland, OR
|
|
| InXess wrote: |
| This is only a compatibility mode - solution. |
Yes, it is definitely a compatibility-mode solution. What's wrong with that?
If the end-user can get a product that allows him or her to watch the same quality movie on different types of disk players and -- importantly -- be priced close to the amount of a movie sold for one of those formats only ... this would be bad for the customer? Or the companies?
I'm coming from the perspective that the movies studios want people to pay for and watch movies from their studios. Period. Whether that's done by download, theater, iPod, whatever, the technology is not what they care most about. They care most about getting money from the consumer directly. That is, watch the movie any way that makes them money.
Whichever format "wins" out, is way down the list of things that matters. Except to the tech. companies, and no offense, but they can all go to hell if they think they can get me to buy something from them just because they refuse to work together to make it easier for us end users to WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE!!!! 
|
|
RLT69
Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
|
|
| Quote: |
| Whichever format "wins" out, is way down the list of things that matters. Except to the tech. companies, and no offense, but they can all go to hell if they think they can get me to buy something from them just because they refuse to work together to make it easier for us end users to WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE!!!! |
Yeah, except obviously you are going to buy someone's technology to watch the Total HD. So obviously not all companies are going to hell 
|
|
Conquest10
Thread Killer
Joined: 05 Sep 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
|
|
| RLT69 wrote: |
What excactly does this prove? It simple means you can buy them now on Amazon and Walmart and BestBuy, which you weren't able to one month ago. FYI the circuit city ones are sold out.
You have one poster to a forum that states people have returned 12 PS3 because they could not sell them on Ebay. That's hardly a dis-satisfied customer returning a PS3. Not too mention do we have any way of verifying this?
The PS3 comes out in November and already people want to declare it a failure in January!
Come on. |
People were buying these things to make a profit so they sell out. Wow! Look at the success of the PS3!! They will sell out forever and will sell over 600 million!! One month later, they are sitting on the shelf and even being returned and then it becomes "what does this prove, its only been a month"?
_________________
His name was MackemX
What kind of a man are you? The guy is unconscious in a coma and you don't have the guts to kiss his girlfriend?
| | |
