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Conquest10
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Add DVD burners to that. I remember them being easily $700. Less then 8 months later you could buy one for $300. Video games had nothing to do with that. Hell, two and a half years ago I bought a 1 gig memory stick for $600. How much are they now? I could keep going with this.
I too think the Chinese had more to do with the prices dropping. In 2001, I bought the last Chinese player for ~$70 while others that sat on the shelf were $160-170 (I still use it, BTW).
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handyguy
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They are going to make dual hddvd & blueray players.
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rhegedus
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| lordsmurf wrote: |
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| the PS3 will inevitably outsell the 360. |
I don't see how that is possible. |
PS platforms have traditionally outsold their XBOX counterpart - PS2=111million, XBOX=24million to date.
The 360 has averaged monthly sales of around 250,000 since launch - PS3 sold nearly 200,000 in its first month despite restricted supply.
Backwards compatibility of the PS3 will mean that PS2 buyers are more likely to purchase a PS3 instead of the 360.
Stands to reason... |
Sadly, all of that means nothing.
As we have seen in the past, platform generations can wildly swing the stats, and the top dog can change virtually overnight. Simply look at Atari, Sega and Nintendo for examples of this. Sony is not untouchable or even close to it.
So far the PS3 is doing pretty dismal, compared to pre-launch forecasts.
Realize I say this as a non-gamer, just a person that has casually played games since the Odyssey system (the original Pong, long before the name was used for it). I have no special interest in any company, I merely watch from the sidelines. I have no dog in this fight.
Quite frankly, I find the notion that the PS3 will have any influence of Blu-Ray to be laughable. It's a video game, not a movie player. Regardless of how much companies may push for "multimedia entertainment centers", that concept is simply not catching on or being used by anybody but a niche of video-minded techies. |
Maybe, maybe not.
But I bet that HD supporters would feel a lot more comfortable if the PS3 shipped with HD instead of BD.
After all, an those extra millions of supporters is not to be sniffed at.
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Location: Oceanside, Oregon
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With the new announcements about the TOTAL HD disc (supports both Blu-ray Disc & HD DVD) and the announcements about dual format burners, I think the game player debate is now meaningless.
The only important factor now is price.
The tide is turning in favor of the consumer.
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rhegedus
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How long between now and availability of Total HD?
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xxiangg
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| rhegedus wrote: |
| How long between now and availability of Total HD? |
The more important is how long people can wait. But I would say most people
can wait for a very long long time, if a player is at its current price (even at
half of its current price like BR).
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Specialist
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| rhegedus wrote: |
| How long between now and availability of Total HD? |
http://tinyurl.com/yhp3mg
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| Warner Bros. says it plans next week to unveil at the Consumer Electronics Show a DVD disc that plays competing formats for high-definition content, potentially making the buying of HD movies less daunting for consumers. Nevertheless, major Hollywood studios that have sided with either HD DVD or Blu-ray are unlikely to support the dual-format disk, at least in the short term, so the technology is not expected to have an immediate impact, one expert says. Warner on Friday confirmed that Barry Meyer, chairman and chief executive of Warner Bros. Entertainment, would unveil the disc on Tuesday at the Las Vegas, Nev., trade show. Called Total Hi-Def, the disc would make it possible to play a movie in either a HD DVD player or a Blu-ray player. |
The impact may not be "immediate."
However, it has already convinced me to wait.
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Zen of Encoding
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Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Location: San Ho (south bay area)
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InXess
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Location: Canada
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Seems like we're on the right track, finally. Now it's just a matter of price.
On second thought: If they set the price around $100 (  yeah, I know) for this writer and start selling in volume we could safely assume that HD format war is over provided media is available at reasonable price.
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xxiangg
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You can already burn "HD-DVD" disks using current
DVD disks and burners. Each DL DVD disk can save
about 1 hour HD movie. Actually, this web site and
some others have already had some information about
how to make such a "HD-DVD". The only extra cost
probably is just a new burning software (Nero 7?).
http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=12157
Does BR has any similar offer? I have not heard
of any. Will Sony create a way to use regular DVD
in BR player, similar to "HD-DVD"? I do not think
so. Companies exist to make more money for them,
not to save more money for you.
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RabidDog
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Location: UK
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People who want to enrich their digitall lives .  . by watching hi-def movies (thus spending out the extra on large TV, 5.1 sound and expensive movie) are not going to be content playing that back thru some cheap jack-shot game system. They will opt for a fancy standalone player.
** its too early to call, neither side has kicked the Ball more than once **
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SingSing
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| xxiangg wrote: |
You can already burn "HD-DVD" disks using current DVD disks and burners. Each DL DVD disk can save about 1 hour HD movie.
Does BR has any similar offer? I have not heard of any. |
Sony's BR does not have any similar offer. This reflects Sony never learn. Beta vs VHS is just a format war. Sony MP3 player vs IPod is a very stupid decision. BR is in the same class of stupidity.
Sony has MP3 player before Ipod, and loss the entire market because the burden of insisting on Sony's only encoded music. Video format always being use as home video too. Consumers face with another Sony brickwall, will just vote with their wallets and walk away from BR.
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MozartMan
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| xxiangg wrote: |
You can already burn "HD-DVD" disks using current DVD disks and burners.
Does BR has any similar offer? I have not heard of any.
Will Sony create a way to use regular DVDin BR player, similar to "HD-DVD"? |
And why do we need to burn BD disks using current DVD disks and burners when we can use BD burners and disks?
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rhegedus
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Finally: VideoScan Releases High-Def Disc Sales Numbers
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| According to VideoScan, during the first two weeks of January, Blu-ray discs outsold HD DVD by more than a 2:1 margin. |
Blu-ray media sales set to shoot past HD DVD purchases
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| Earlier this year, HD DVD backers said 175,000 players shipped in the US up to 5 January. That contrasts with the million-plus PlayStation 3s Sony claimed to have shipped by roughly the same date. In both cases, shipments do not necessarily equate to sales, but crucially BD-capable devices are clearly outselling HD DVD machines. |
Thumping.....
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ozymango
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| rhegedus wrote: |
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| According to VideoScan, during the first two weeks of January, Blu-ray discs outsold HD DVD by more than a 2:1 margin. |
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From article, dated February 1:
It should be noted that the two weeks in question saw only two new high-def disc releases -- both from Blu-ray ('The Covenant' on Jan 2, and 'Crank' on Jan 9).
Personally, at this time in history I think the "HD/Blu-Ray War" has all the intensity of a Bugs Bunny vs. Elmer Fudd grudge match! 
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lordsmurf
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Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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| Earlier this year, HD DVD backers said 175,000 players shipped in the US up to 5 January. That contrasts with the million-plus PlayStation 3s Sony claimed to have shipped by roughly the same date. In both cases, shipments do not necessarily equate to sales, but crucially BD-capable devices are clearly outselling HD DVD machines. |
This quote makes no sense at all. Contradicts itself, in the same sentence, no less! 
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InXess
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What about Xbox 360 sales then, does it count as well?
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rhegedus
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| lordsmurf wrote: |
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| Earlier this year, HD DVD backers said 175,000 players shipped in the US up to 5 January. That contrasts with the million-plus PlayStation 3s Sony claimed to have shipped by roughly the same date. In both cases, shipments do not necessarily equate to sales, but crucially BD-capable devices are clearly outselling HD DVD machines. |
This quote makes no sense at all. Contradicts itself, in the same sentence, no less! |
Unless it means shipments to distributors as opposed to POS.
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rhegedus
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lordsmurf
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| http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ |
That says what now? They look around the same.
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rhegedus
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Yeah, you're right.... 10-0 looks about the same
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nic2k4
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I'm surprised after 5 pages, nothing has been said about the technology behind the hardware. Not that I care either way, I'll switch when I have no other choice. But just the fact the data layer of BR discs is right there on the bottom face of the disc; protected only by a .004' (0.1mm, the thickness of a standard paper sheet) polycarbonate film (probably TDK's anti scratch material, at first they were gonna use a cartridge), doesn't reassure me. I can just imagine what new and inventive ways little Johnny will come up with and wreck that disc. No Disc Doctor is gonna fix this. I guess a BR win would bring back a re-birth of the self destroying DIVX discs. The BR disc design is due to the grooves being so close together (hence the higher capacity) that laser alignment is critical to prevent mis-reads. Does that mean BR will show laser tracking problems earlier than DVD player? BR fans shouldn't despair, HD players' laser use the same pretty shade of blue-violet.
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rumplestiltskin
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Physical media for movie distribution is dead and only the troglodytes argue about which dead format is superior. Once you can take off the blinders and see both "emperors" have no clothes, the entire HD-DVD/Blu-Ray tempest in a toilet bowl issue becomes not only moot but laughable.
Certainly massive storage requirements will favor one or the other format (or maybe neither, eh?)
You'll remember this post in a few years.
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SilverBlade
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I personally prefer physical media to distribute movies. It is a lot easier and more economical to buy a DVD rack to store movies, then to buy a new hard drive when your current one is filled up.
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nic2k4
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[quote="rumplestiltskin"]You'll remember this post in a few years.[/quote]
I will, but might not be for the same reasons. Who wants to sit at home and wait for a movie to be downloaded before they can watch it? Stream it instead; great, I'll be watching movies with constant interruptions due to overloaded ISP servers, bot & malware infested internet... (at least it'll provide some restroom breaks). Might be ok, if internet II is ever available to the rest of us.
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