900min in 1 DVD? Several hours/DVD? Multiple movies or tv-series/DVD?

edvashas · Member Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Location: Lithuania

Is it possible to write 900 min into one DVD5 and then watch on DVD player? Quality doesnt mach to me

thank you for help.
P.S. i want to write this serial (20s) : File size : 350 MiB
PlayTime : 43mn 41s
Bit rate : 1119 Kbps
Video #0
Codec : XviD
Family : MPEG-4
Info : XviD project
Codec settings : BVOP / Packed Bitstream
PlayTime : 43mn 41s
Bit rate : 978 Kbps
Width : 608
Height : 352
Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 25 fps
Resolution : 8
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.183
Writing library : XviD0043

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Family : MPEG-1
Info : MPEG-1 or 2 layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
PlayTime : 43mn 41s
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44 KHz
Resolution : 16

Baldrick · Administrator Joined: 09 Aug 2000 Location: Sweden

Yep, using low quality similiar to vcd you can store 900min /DVD but it WONT look good. Use for example tmpgenc or tmpgenc xpress and use the pal vcd templates but change to 48khz audio and lower the video and audio bitrate. Calculate the video and audio bitrate with for example www.videohelp.com/calc . Encode all clips and then make a dvd with for example TDA.

Or search for multiple movies or similiar:
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=312210&highlight=
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=310945&highlight=

and this is not DVD to, it is avi to dvd. moving you.

edvashas · Member Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Location: Lithuania

thank you

Baldrick · Administrator Joined: 09 Aug 2000 Location: Sweden

Or get a dvd player with avi DivX/XviD support on DVD media. Or build/buy a HTPC.

And I'm making this a sticky topic.

Baldrick · Administrator Joined: 09 Aug 2000 Location: Sweden

Or use ConvertXtoDVD. Add all video clips. If it wont fit on one DVD increase the DVD Size. Output to the HD. Then use DVD-Rebuilder or DVD Shrink and shrink it to one DVD. Burn the new DVD.

Shadarr · Member Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Location: Canada

If I may add a related question (I hope it's related, I'm getting a little tired tonight

):

What about if there are premade menus?
I have some old VHS clips and have already made some menus and tried to run it through DVDShrink. It's still too big, and as with the OP, I don't mind if I lose quality.
My specific issue is then, is there a way to either force DVDShrink to compess it more (higher %), or are there other alternative applications that would do it?
(I am merely trying to avoid 'redoing' the menus (a la TDA, thanks for the helpful info though)..

Thanks!

guns1inger · Posted: Mar 05, 2007 00:03

You can run it through Shrink, then run the results of that through Shrink until it is small enough.

Personally, I would use DVD Rebuilder with HCEnc as the encoder. Better chance of having something watchable at the end of the process. Shrink once - OK, Shrink twice . . . . . . I wouldn't.
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Shadarr · Member Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Location: Canada

guns1inger · Posted: Mar 05, 2007 00:40

DVD Shrink is a transcoder and works with the constraints of the exist encode. This can sometimes prevent it from reducing enough in one pass. DVD Rebuilder is an encoder, and it will hit it's target. You only get two choices : DVD5 or DVD9

As for mpeg4 . . . . . you can only save around50% or less and keep comparable image quality, and you loose chapters and menus unless you go Ultra. For some things it is OK, for backing up DVDs ? Too much work for too little payback at the moment.
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FAST-ED · Member Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Location: United States

I made a dvd of all 3 LOTR extended by lowering pixels to 320 x240 since I dont have a hdtv to display much better anyway! Kinda like a Hybrid dvd since true dvd is 720x480 and my dvd played it just fine and no one could tell the differnce to real dvd,but it would not play on freinds sony dvd and when i took my disc and dvd to his home with the hdtv you could tell a difference but not on my old 32" tube standard tv! and if the content is not hdtv or dvd your adding pixels when you encode to 720x480 dvd anyway.

Back then i used TMPGEnc products I belive and,now I use Dvd lab pro and ConvertXToDVD results would be much better and faster ,but i still have to use TMPGEnc to get pixels down since ConvertXToDVD wont allow settings on video size yet.

So if you have standard tv or standard tv episode quality to put on dvd and if your dvd will play hybird dvd pixels you can fit alot onto a dvd since less pixels would require less encoding size.

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guns1inger · Posted: Mar 05, 2007 02:14

Please, make you sig image smaller.

I really don't understand this need to put so much on a single disc. Why put all 3 movies on a disc at such awful quality. There is no nicer way to describe VCD quality. I don't have a HDTV either, just a good quality CRT. But I know crap when I see it, and VCD quality is just that.
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guns1inger · Posted: Mar 05, 2007 02:30

You are talking about VCD resolution and VCD bitrates on a DVD. Many here would argue that at that resolution and those bitrates, mpeg-1 produces better quality. Whichever way you cut it, and whatever you call it, 320 x 240 is a postage stamp too small to wipe your ar$e with. If your target was a phone, perhaps. TV ? No way.
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FulciLives · Posted: Mar 05, 2007 02:34

An alternative is to use what is called Half D1 resolution (352x480 for NTSC and 352x576 for PAL). If the source is of high enough resolution then this is a good way to go about it.

The resolution will be much better than VCD resolution (352x240 for NTSC and 352x288 for PAL) but you can't fit as much with Half D1. I would say that 4 hours total per a DVD disc (single layer DVD disc) is about the most you can fit while still getting good quality. If quality is a big concern then 3 hours would be best but 4 hours will work at Half D1 with decent quality.

If you go Half D1 and want to fit 4 hours per DVD disc (single layer DVD disc) then a video bitrate of about 2200kbps (that would be your AVERAGE if doing a multipass VBR encode) with 224kbps MP2 or AC-3 audio. That should leave enough "overhead" for DVD authoring.

I would suggest using AviSynth for resizing (FitCD will help you with this) along with HCenc as your MPEG-2 encoder. For the audio you can use ffmpegGUI or Aften (which also has a GUI available).

If you use HCenc it sets the MINIMUM bitrate for you so use 2200kbps for the AVERAGE bitrate and for the MAXIMUM bitrate I would use 5000kbps since that is the bitrate where Half D1 resolution hits the "max" meaning using a higher bitrate will not (or at least should not) make a visual improvement.

While I admit this method "limits" you to about 4 hours per disc I think that the improvement in quality VS using VCD resolution/bitrates will make a BIG difference.

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Please note that if your source is widescreen that you can only make a 16x9 WS anamorphic DVD when using Full D1 resolution (720x480 or 704x480 for NTSC and 720x576 or 704x576 for PAL). If you go Half D1 or even lower in resolution then you can still make the video widescreen but it must be 4:3 widescreen (often called 4:3 Letterboxed) instead of making it 16x9 WS anamorphic.
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FulciLives · Posted: Mar 05, 2007 02:50