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ahhaa
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Location: Michigan USA
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ok, this's gonna sound odd, but there's this guy criticising VideoHelp over at Google Videos, saying 'its for noobs'. Not this chesnau poster, but a guy who responds to most every post- you know the type- anyway he said this:
Because the number of linux users is very minimal in comparison to other OS users.
And the flash codec has great security features.
in response to this:
From: bchesneau@gmail.com - view profile
Date: Sun, May 7 2006 10:58 am
Email: "bchesn...@gmail.com" <bchesn...@gmail.com>
I can't use google video on linux/ppc for now that's too bad. There is indeed no flashplayer fo powerpc machines under linux.I'm curious to know why Google didn't use java to make an applet that play videos online dince the uploader is in java. Any idee why ? Maybe just because
flash is installed by default on osx/windows main browses, but this
isn't very open for a web application :\
I don't have the answer, but I'd really love it to come from VideoHelp ... 
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BJ_M
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Joined: 30 Jul 2002
Location: Canada
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I doubt anything like a flashplayer for this platform will ever be released.
First , porting a JIT engine is not that simple. If it is difficult to port it from x86 to x86_64, imagine what it is to port it to a completely different platform.
Furthermore, with the Apple decision to switch away from the PPC platform, the number of Linux/PPC desktop users will not be getting bigger, to say the least.
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keep checking at the Gnash site is all i can suggest ... http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnash
it is a big complaint of a lot of people ..
as well keep on top of what is happening (or the lack thereof) on this blog http://www.kaourantin.net/2005/12/flash-player-8-for-linux-update.html
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lordsmurf
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Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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| ahhaa wrote: |
| ok, this's gonna sound odd, but there's this guy criticising VideoHelp over at Google Videos, saying 'its for noobs'. |
When I see stuff like this, red flags in my heads say "online video game nerd with no life". Internet slang is so immature, especially the ones intended to be derogatory or condescending. People like that are of no concern. In all honesty, few would take such individuals seriously, assuming they can even understand what they mean.
And the unfortunate fact (for Linux users anyway) is that business don't take that OS seriously. Same for Apple, whose primary software provider is Apple themselves. One of the most damaging aspects of Linux is also its strongest aspect: decentralized ownership, open license. Linux companies do not have enough power or clout to "force" companies to take them seriously and port software and code. Just one of those things you have to accept before you even install Linux on your system.
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CrayonEater
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Joined: 07 May 2006
Location: United States
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Another problem is that worthless GUI, X, is more of a bane than a boon. I think far more people would gravitate towards Linux if there were a GUI and integration that at least approached that of Windows. In terms of speed and ease-of-use, X right now is about where Windows and Mac were - in 1988.
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BJ_M
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Location: Canada
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macromedia takes linux seriously to a point -- flash for linux on intel and amd 32 and 64 bit is all in the pipeline or released
but PPC and linux is not on their radar screen it appears at all...
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sakuya_su
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Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Location: New Zealand
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actualy Flash plugin is already out there for Linux, but what is annoying is Macromedia won't release a Shockwave port for us.
even they released Flash, its still really slow somehow compared to the Windows Version
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BJ_M
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Location: Canada
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| sakuya_su wrote: |
actualy Flash plugin is already out there for Linux, but what is annoying is Macromedia won't release a Shockwave port for us.
even they released Flash, its still really slow somehow compared to the Windows Version |
plugin not for PPC
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tekkieman
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Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: Over the hill
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| lordsmurf wrote: |
And the unfortunate fact (for Linux users anyway) is that business don't take that OS seriously. |
They need to. Once you step off the shores of the great U.S., linux is much more accepted than you might realize. If these hardware and software manufacturers want to continue to exist in a global marketplace, they had better get a clue. They're not the only ones. If we want to see the end of the mass exodus of our high tech jobs from these shores, we had better start getting a clue as well.
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Linux companies do not have enough power or clout to "force" companies to take them seriously and port software and code. |
IBM and Sun don't have any power or clout?
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| Just one of those things you have to accept before you even install Linux on your system. |
While I would love to argue this one, I don't have time to sit here and write a novel trying to explain the truth to people who have already made up their minds. There are already far too many windows vs. linus sites to go around. If I thought anyone had an open mind, and actually cared...
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| Another problem is that worthless GUI, X, is more of a bane than a boon. I think far more people would gravitate towards Linux if there were a GUI and integration that at least approached that of Windows. |
There is. KDE on X. Every bit as good as windows, and then some.
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| In terms of speed and ease-of-use, X right now is about where Windows and Mac were - in 1988. |
Then why is MS working so hard to put eye candy in Vista that already exists in KDE? (As well as many other features that have existed in linux for a long time that they still can't seem to duplicate) Maybe they're trying to time warp themselves back to 1988 when they were at least a semi-honest, semi-respectable company. (well, comparatively at least)
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BJ_M
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i wish everyone would drop the 'eye candy' - i, for one, really dont want it ...
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sakuya_su
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Location: New Zealand
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lol to really show off, you should get SuSE 10.1 with Compiz/Xgl.
THAT is eye candy!
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disturbed1
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Joined: 22 Apr 2001
Location: init 4
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| BJ_M wrote: |
| i wish everyone would drop the 'eye candy' - i, for one, really dont want it ... |
Can't agree more. The best thing about Linux is freedom to choose your GUI. KDE just isn't the one for me. I could care less about eye candy since I operate a computer to do work, not stare at cool looking backgrounds, transparent whizzbangs, and cute child like icons.
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Another problem is that worthless GUI, X, is more of a bane than a boon. I think far more people would gravitate towards Linux if there were a GUI and integration that at least approached that of Windows. In terms of speed and ease-of-use, X right now is about where Windows and Mac were - in 1988. |
Yeah so slow, the FAA uses Linux for it's back end to process, and control flights. Along with the National Weather Service, the Pentagon has a large Linux computing center, as most financial, government, and educational facilities outside of the United States. Games ran through a Windows emulator on Linux more times than not offer a higher FPS in Linux than in native Windows. Let's not forget that MatLab, and Maya both compute faster under (32bit) Xorg than windows. Wonder what Dream Works uses to make their films?
Not wanting to turn this into an OS thread, but people should really research before posting such facetious things.
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lordsmurf
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Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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| disturbed1 wrote: |
| BJ_M wrote: |
| i wish everyone would drop the 'eye candy' - i, for one, really dont want it ... |
Can't agree more. The best thing about Linux is freedom to choose your GUI. KDE just isn't the one for me. I could care less about eye candy since I operate a computer to do work, not stare at cool looking backgrounds, transparent whizzbangs, and cute child like icons.
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I think BJ_M is referring to Web content. Flash and all that other eye candy is mostly crap.
@tekkieman, if I'm not mistaken, I believe IBM is mostly a joke these days, in terms of "power and might" while Sun has been rendered impotent during the past 10 years. They are no Microsoft or Apple. And unless IBM/Sun/others unite, they are just a room full of small fries, not a single power house, which is what I refer to. Don't confuse these statements with "Linux sucks" or something, simply a realistic overview of how things are. You simply will not find major players in software making Linux software (Adobe, Macromedia, etc), especially not for all the Linux "flavors" out there (PPC, others).
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BJ_M
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btw -- once a powerhouse ... SGI went bankrupt on monday ....
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lpn1160
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Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Location: United States
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Just a brief comment on this, I switched to linux about 6 months ago, 2 months ago I completely rid myself of windows. Will never go back. Ask any linux user who has switched, if they would go back. We can do everything on our systems that windows users can do. Linux users can also say with confidence that we don't have any "pirated" software on our systems.
And when vista finally is released let me know when the FBI or interpol show up at your door because you dared play mp3's or an audio cd or a dvd that you bought.
Long Live Tux
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lordsmurf
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| We can do everything on our systems that windows users can do. |
If this were actually true, I would be using it on at least 1 of my computers. As it stands, that's simply not how it goes. Saying Mac or Linux is "the same, just as good as, or better" as Windows systems is fun to say, but lacking in facts and truth. The real assessment is that they are each different, with various benefits and faults.
In times past, I had to load virtualization software inside of an NT system to run Linux. Reduced speeds, but it got the 1-time-needs task accomplished.
Linux simply fails to have Photoshop, Premiere/Vegas, DVD Workshop/Studio Pro, Procoder, and similar media software. There is sorta-kinda Linux software, but it's just not the same. It's almost like using those plastic kid scissors instead of a pair of "adult" scissors with nice sharp metal blades. It works, sure, but it's not the same.
Linux is one of those systems best used for technical needs (servers, coding, etc), it's not for casual use or media use. Most people realize this, most software companies have come to this conclusion, so you end up with posts about "how can I make this Windows/Apple thing work in Linux, or how can I make this Windows/Apple thing work just as good with a Linux flavor?". In all honesty, if you have to ask that question, you're using the wrong OS.
If I wanted my own server here, I'd be running Linux/Apache, I'd surely not mess around with an OS X server, or pay gobs of cash to Microsoft. Or if I wanted to donate an old laptop to a poor country, Linux with StarOffice and GIMP, it's better than nothing.
I'll agree that it is sort of ironic that the system often powering the Web is one that is mostly ill-suited to view the Web. Or to take advantage of the rich content (and work files) often passed around on it.
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TwistedLincoln
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Linux isn't 100% as useful as Windows for every purpose. But it is getting there. With the Cedega project, many Windows games that rely on DirectX run just fine. And while Wine doesn't yet work well with multimedia programs like Sony Vegas, its only a matter of time.
What I really think will push Linux to the forefront will be the new Intel based Macs. Think of it this way -- there isn't that much difference between OS X and Linux, and now that Macs run on Intel CPUs, it isn't too unrealistic to expect companies to release software that will run on Macs and PCs running Linux. Once that starts happening, more people will start using Linux, and the endless catch-22 will be over.
More than that, Linux will eventually gain a bigger foothold once the average consumer starts seeing the effects of Microsoft's endless use of DRM. That combined with Microsoft's new crusade against piracy will help the Linux cause quite a bit...
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disturbed1
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I am a strong advocate for Linux, but I would never say Linux can do everything Windows can. That just is not so.
The main problem with Linux is the total lack of high quality software. 99% of Linux apps are betas and alphas. Over time, most are laid to rest, devlopement stops, then a new alpha/beta comes out. Or worse, you have 30 alpha programs, and 50 betas, of which none work correctly 100% in one way or another. Instead of doing the logical thing, and combining a few of these betas into one solid program, seperate projects continue. There currently is not a video production app that even comes close to entry level apps on Windows.
My main personal computer is Linux, but I only do normal office things, web surfing, listen to music, and accounting* on that PC. I still have to have a windows PC around to do any type of video production. I've tried to use 100% Linux for the past 3 years, and could never produce video upto the standard I needed to. Video production is the only thing that has held me back.
There's is the ability for Linux to become the #1 desktop OS. However, that same option was also present for OS/2, BeOS, QNX ...................
*There, to this day, is not a consumer accounting program for Linux that can compare to QuickBooks, PeachTree, or even the free windows accounting programs. SQL Ledger, TinyERP, just did not cut it. GNUCash is great for personal finance, but not business. I ended up creating several spreadsheets to track sales, inventory and the like. Though AppGen's Mybooks comes really, really close, but not close enough.
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tekkieman
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Location: Over the hill
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@smurf - I've heard the same argument far too many times. It is usually made by people who couldn't make it do what they wanted because it wasn't "like Windows". Anyone who bothers to take the time to learn linux will be the first to tell you it does everything Windows does, does it better, does it faster, and does it your way. Unfortunately, people don't want to take the time to do that. It's always the same tired argument "why should I have to learn something new? I already know how to do everything in Windows." Perhaps that is true, but very few remember how long it took them to learn to do everything in Windows. How long did it take you to track down all the apps you use? How long did it take you to learn them? Here's the next tired excuse: " I tried linux, and it just doesn't work, but at least I tried it." Yeah, right! For how long? A week? A month? Or did you give it as much time as you gave Windows?
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| it is sort of ironic that the system often powering the Web is one that is mostly ill-suited to view the Web |
And do you know why? Because in typical MS fashion, they've ignore the standards internationally agreed upon for web content. They believe since they're the biggest kid on the block, they can make their own rules. That's why it's so difficult for anyone else to view they same content with the same ease. If they had followed the same rules as everyone else, we would have web content that everyone can enjoy with the same little effort.
Guess where else they've applied these same tactics? Programming. The standard languages weren't good enough for them. They had to break the existing ones with their so called extensions or invent all new languages that claim universal portability, but in fact, run nowhere except Windows (with the exception of the great work done by project mono and others). Not only do they develop proprietary languages, they make programming drag and drop with absolutely no need to follow established standards.
This is an old argument that could go on for time without end, but the bottom line doesn't change...Just because they are the biggest, they try to make the rules. Even if the rules already exist. They no longer ask you "where do you want to go today?". They took you exactly where they wanted you to go. Straight to hell.
PS - Before I get called a "linux fanboy", you should know I make my living writing software exclusively for Windows.
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disturbed1
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| lpn1160 wrote: |
Linux users can also say with confidence that we don't have any "pirated" software on our systems.
Long Live Tux |
So...
You only listen to oggvorbis, FLAC, PCM, and MAC audio, and only watch video content made with Theora and Xvid? Xvid/Divx with mp3 still requires an illegal pirated, against copyright law mp3 codec to be installed on your computer. If you live in one of the many countries that follow this las, that is 
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tekkieman
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| disturbed1 wrote: |
| There currently is not a video production app that even comes close to entry level apps on Windows. |
Look harder!
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disturbed1
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I've used main actor, not at all what I would call high quality.
I've used main actor for Linux, since it first came out, bundled with Suse. The interface is acient, the problems are abound. Take a look at the support forum.
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lordsmurf
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I would hardly consider MainActor at the same caliber to Vegas or Premiere or Final Cut Pro or Avid. That's the point I'm getting at. Linux, when it comes to most mainstream business needs software, is a red-headed stepchild. It gets crap versions or B-rate software at best.
As far as Web standards, we'd still be using two fonts and 16 colors if the governments or private coalitions made the rules. The reason MS and others "break the rules" is to further technological progress. In similar areas (take copyright law), agreed upon intervention tends to do little more than stifle progress. I'm all for "breaking the rules" in this context.
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