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Supreme2k
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Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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If he wouldn't join - people would say "he thinks he's better than us, thats why he reject us!"
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In all honesty, he is better than ever single last one of us (in that respect).
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So what no one knew (or knew it, doesn't matter) that someone is a 'pro', I don't recall it being named "Amateur Short Film Comp. 2005"... |
Yet, a pro won. That may discourage the amateurs in future competitions.
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cooljoe666, Kristy was not a professional film maker. She works as a film editor in real life, but the two are not the same.
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That's pretty much splitting hairs. Those IMDB credits don't exactly spell amateur. I have tons more productions under my belt, yet none are up there. If you will check out the now infamous "edit" thread, you will see just how much an editor is regarded as film maker.
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In any case, the comp did not exclude "pros". If you don't like this, then don't compete. Oh wait, you didn't.  |
cooljoe666's complaint (?) was very moderately and calmly put. Should this forum only be for those who like everything and/or can participate, or is it for discussion and getting help (even if you can't exactly give it)?
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vitualis
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Perhaps you should go back to Kristy's thread and read what she wrote. She has never made a short film before. Yes, she is less "amateur" than others in this competition but I still consider her an amateur. In any case, this comp was not limited to an amateur entries only.
This thread is for the announcement of prizes.
Useful tips for improving the competiton are welcome. Armchair critique on who should or shouldn't have won is NOT helpful.
I think that it is enough that people declare their "status" at the beginning of the competition. If you think that you can make the next competition better by suggesting some sort of entry criteria, then please, dazzle me. Just saying "no pros" is not particularly helpful and I think that has been well established.
If you don't like the fact that the competition is not restricted to amateurs, then please give me a good reason why I should restrict it to amateurs and HOW. No one has given me persuasive enough arguments yet.
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DereX888
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I think most of complaints here are unreasonable or just for the sake of complaining.
Although Supreme2k have very valid point about discoraging amateurs when 'pros' are allowed and a pro won, but again - this competition was open to both amateurs and pros, obviously I didn't expect 'mr.slug' to win (even though I thought it was funniest from all) and neither its author (me thinks).
Lastly - how do you select people to qualify?
I.e. my name is on IMDB, but I have never made my own film; I am 'professional' (working in a related industry) yet again - I never made own movie. Because my name is on imdb I should be forbidden from entering the contest? Its nonsense.
vitualis, let this thread be what it is about - announcement of the winners, just lock the thread.
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vitualis
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Shadowmistress
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| DereX888 wrote: |
So what no one knew (or knew it, doesn't matter) that someone is a 'pro', I don't recall it being named "Amateur Short Film Comp. 2005"... |
Yet, a pro won. That may discourage the amateurs in future competitions.
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So?
I swear while watching some of those clips I was thinking that I've just wasted minutes from my life that I will never get back. If they're going to enter crap, let them not bother entering at all then. I'm tired of sugar-coating my responses. The other films just weren't that great and they deserved the rank they got. The members choice poll supports this point.
Everyone is being so kind and courteous and lenient to the contest entrants because they're assuming they're amateurs. Why? When did that get written in stone? Videohelp is one of the premier sites on the web when it comes to video and tons of people come here all the time without never needing to register. It would be logical to conclude that *some* of it's members or lurkers would be semi-professionals or work somewhat relating to this field if they have an interest in video. I mean, it's not just a hobby for everyone you know. So why on earth would you cry "foul" when the typical videohelp reader enters and wins?
If you have a problem with the winner not having any posts here, then look at it this way: at least they weren't a "regular" and there is no possibility of favoritism having been exercised due to reputation.
If you have a problem with the winner having expertise in the field as an advantage over the other entrants: after seeing wasp and the special effects your average "amateur" can pull off, I don't see anything in the winner's clip that anyone else couldn't have accomplished.
So what is it then? You want to keep the contest in the videohelp "family"? Lurkers outnumber the members so how can you justify who to exclude?
The clip was the best and it deserved to win.
Enough. Drop it already.
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ozymango
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I swear while watching some of those clips I was thinking that I've just wasted minutes from my life that I will never get back.
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I'm sorry you felt that way. To be perfectly honest, there was not one film entered in this competetion that I did not enjoy in one way or another.
Now, some posters to this forum, on the other hand ... ...
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I'm tired of sugar-coating my responses.
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Really? When did you start sugar-coating your responses? 
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The other films just weren't that great and they deserved the rank they got. The members choice poll supports this point.
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Says you. Don't know you mean by "weren't that great." I found them all interesting, and several were rated rather highly. Seriously. Though the total vote count (40-ish) compared to what I assume is a large number of visitors to this site, seems a bit low, for my taste.
Now, to be fair, "Mr. Slug VS. Mr. Salt" was a bit on the squeamish side, but still ...  ...
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Everyone is being so kind and courteous and lenient to the contest entrants because they're assuming they're amateurs.
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No, not all of us are. Sorry if our liking some of the other films offends your sense of taste and discretion.
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The clip was the best and it deserved to win.
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I thought it was a very good short film, but personally, I liked "Wasp" more. And it was also rated pretty highly. No biggie. As far as I know, all the people who actually entered the contest or ran the contest are cool with that. And as far as I know, everybody behind the scenes wants to do it again, and everybody who made a movie this time -- and even many who didn't -- plan on entering the contest next time.
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Enough. Drop it already. |
With all due respect, if you're neither entering this contest or behind the scenes, why should anybody care what you think? Is it that you need to have the last word?
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Supreme2k
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As ozymango has replied to your post (attacking mine) already, SM, I won't.
I probably wouldn't have anyway. I did drop it a few days ago.
Besides, we all know that you rant simply because you have some grudge against certain members, whether you're sincere about your post or not.
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Cobra
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Could we please keep this to the announcement of winners and the suggestions for future competitions, please? There's no need to argue about it. If there's anything really important, and you feel that a point must be made, PM a mod of your choice and let them know. I would ensure that any suggestions made by PMs to me would be brought to the attention of all the other moderators in private.
Aside from anything else, think how the winners feel reading this thread. They won it fair and square, regardless of who they were.
In short, chill out! No need to argue.
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gadgetguy
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With all due respect Cobra, Vitualis has requested that discussion of improvements to the comp should be in this thread. (See his post above)
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Speak only for yourself please Shadow Mistress!
The top five would seamlessly fit into most short film festivals on the planet. In fact I'd urge them to submit their works. Clearly they were wasted on some here 
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Supreme2k
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| The top five would seamlessly fit into most short film festivals on the planet. In fact I'd urge them to submit their works. Clearly they were wasted on some here |
Exactly.
While I don't agree with the order of the winners, I thought that they were all excellent. I don't know if I could have been a judge though, since there were more films that deserved prizes than there were prizes  I thought that every single entry was well worth my time and showed tons of talent. 
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The judges votes varied significantly. Some films were hot on the tail of others in the final tally. I don't think the results reflected the personal favorites of any one Judge. In fact when I processed the numbers I was a little disapointed.
But like Mats said at the time, a vote is a vote. The popular favorite at my place (as I show these films off) is The Baldrick closely followed by Wasp. Air Baldrick is popular too. The kids love "the bitch" Norton salt girl and the adults chuckle at The City of Tomorrow.
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DereX888
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I like all entries, including probably the worst home-made video that has ever been presented in any competitions, yet with such a funny hangover narration
As it starts to become discussion about individual tastes and preferences, I suggest to move part of this discussion to that other thread...
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gadgetguy
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Location: Michigan, USA
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| The popular favorite at my place (as I show these films off) is The Baldrick closely followed by Wasp. Air Baldrick is popular too. The kids love "the bitch" Norton salt girl and the adults chuckle at The City of Tomorrow. |
WooHoo!!! 
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Cobra
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| With all due respect Cobra, Vitualis has requested that discussion of improvements to the comp should be in this thread. (See his post above) |
You're spot-on - I should have been more clear on that. If there's a point that you would prefer to make privately, I am more than happy to take it up for anyone.
(thanks, gadgetguy! I see now how poor my choice of words were! )
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ozymango
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| The popular favorite at my place (as I show these films off) is The Baldrick closely followed by Wasp. Air Baldrick is popular too. The kids love "the bitch" Norton salt girl and the adults chuckle at The City of Tomorrow. |
Ahem ... as somebody or other once said:
WooHoo!!!
And just wait 'til you see what we come up with for this year's contest!!!
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