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Richard_G
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Joined: 10 May 2003
Location: Peterborough, England
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| vitualis wrote: |
| As for people unable to view XviD AVI clips, then it is time to update your computer. MPEG-4 ASP in AVI format is mainstream. Bandwidth is the issue. If you want to view it for free, then it will stay as XviD. |
I'm running a clean XP SP2 install, with Windows Media Encoder, Panasonic DV codec, Quicktime, Huffyuv and ATI MMC 8.9 loaded. Video software in use is Ulead Mediastudio Pro 6.5 and Ulead DVD Workshop V2. These are all I ever use and all I have ever needed. I don't download video and on the odd occasion I have seen video on the net, it has always been in wmv, quicktime or real formats, the first two I can play, the last I won't install because of it's habit of trying to take over the world! I appreciate that compression is needed to keep the bandwidth requirement down, but I expected to be able to view the entries, which I couldn't.
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Gobs
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Joined: 30 Sep 2005
Location: Denmark
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If you're trying to run a clean pc I don't understand how you can like Quicktime. 
IMHO it's the most intrusive annoying piece of video software ever.
DivX/Xvid has never messed anything up in my pc. I agree with vitualis: MPEG-4 is mainstream.
Bo
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Baldrick
Administrator
Joined: 09 Aug 2000
Location: Sweden
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| Richard_G wrote: |
| but I expected to be able to view the entries, which I couldn't. |
VlC Media Player! doesn't install any codecs.
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Gobs
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Joined: 30 Sep 2005
Location: Denmark
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..and is able to play all the formats that were allowed in the competition(even AC3 sound).
Bo
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ozymango
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Joined: 13 Jul 2004
Location: Portland, OR
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| Gobs wrote: |
DivX/Xvid has never messed anything up in my pc. I agree with vitualis: MPEG-4 is mainstream.
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I've never had too many problems with divx/xvid playback, though encoding is another story (but that's my inexperience, not the format!).  And definitely MPEG-4 is the future, kids.
But don't forget that MPEG-4 doesn't automatically equal divx/xvid -- those are codec choices, versus format choices. So I can see why some of us can be big fans of MPEG-4 without necessarily being big fans of xvid and divx.
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dipstick
ACE in the hole
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Location: Dark side of the Moon
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I agree with Richard_G, that a Video Editing machine should only have the absolute least amont of needed codecs installed and nothing more. Everything runs smoothly on a lean machine.
This leaves you with two options. Either d/l and view on a PC you don't care about, or Ghost an image before you install, that you can go back to. I created mine in WMV and BJ_M was kind enough to convert them for me. I d/l and viewed the videos on my LapTop. Next competition, I'll just make my Restore Image > d/l and install the divix/xvid crapware to make my entry, then restore it back to normal.
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vitualis
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Joined: 01 Oct 2000
Location: Australia
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If you need a lean machine, then as before, you wouldn't be installing QuickTime.
In any case, I thought that QT could play MPEG-4 ASP (H.263) video in AVI format on a Windows machine (at least it should since it uses its own MPEG-4 codecs).
MPEG-4 is the way of the future and it is main stream. I do not support proprietary formats like QT or WMV. AVI has the best support over all operating systems and hardware devices apart from plain old MPEG-1 and MPEG-2.
XviD comes is different "colours" I agree, but I linked to the stable version you should use in the competition. It doesn't "take over" anything except allows for playback of XviD and DivX encoded clips. If you prefer something with more support, then download the DivX package.
If you are really paranoid, then the simplest way is to get yourself the Knoppix boot disc. This plays XviD and DivX clips just fine and it won't touch your Windows HDD.
Regards.
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gadgetguy
Contestant
Joined: 14 Feb 2002
Location: Michigan, USA
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Complaining about the Divx requirement is much ado about nothing. I don't have any use for Divx/Xvid, (other than the competition), but it's just not that big of a deal. You put it in, encode your video, then take it off, no biggy. (OK, so there's a little more to the encoding part then that, but still, it's not that big a deal.)
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Richard_G
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Joined: 10 May 2003
Location: Peterborough, England
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I wouldn't install Quicktime by choice, Mediastudio Pro needs it and installs a bare version itself.
A number of people keep saying that Divx is the future, for what? For me, DV is my initial format and DVD compliant mpeg is the final. Why would I want to compress a 2 hour movie down to fit on a CD, I've got a DVD writer for the end product?
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Baldrick
Administrator
Joined: 09 Aug 2000
Location: Sweden
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divx is not the future. avc/h264 is. convert your hdv to avc on bluray.
how about the prize money in future competitions? more cash? less? hardware prizes?
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gadgetguy
Contestant
Joined: 14 Feb 2002
Location: Michigan, USA
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Since you asked...
I would love to see a VX2000 or PD170 as a prize for everyone that enters plus individual and catagory prizes at twice the value of this years.
(Hey, it never hurts to ask.)
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vitualis
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Joined: 01 Oct 2000
Location: Australia
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| Richard_G wrote: |
| A number of people keep saying that Divx is the future, for what? For me, DV is my initial format and DVD compliant mpeg is the final. Why would I want to compress a 2 hour movie down to fit on a CD, I've got a DVD writer for the end product? |
I think you are entirely missing the point.
Unless you are willing to PAY ME to download your DVD compliant MPEG, it won't be accepted for upload into an internet based competition. In addition, unless you are willing to PAY to download to watch the video clips, it will not be released in MPEG-1 or MPEG-2.
As per Baldrick, MPEG-4 is the future in terms of video discs for both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. In terms of internet distribution of video, the latest QT codecs are either MPEG-4 H.263 (i.e., compatible with DivX/XviD) or MPEG-4 H.264 (i.e, AVC).
As before, I will not use WMV or QT. These are proprietary formats and though they may work well for YOUR particular Windows setup, they don't have very good cross-compatibility with other operating systems.
Regards.
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vitualis' Medical Rant :: stay updated, read the rant
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gadgetguy
Contestant
Joined: 14 Feb 2002
Location: Michigan, USA
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Another suggestion regarding prizes.
How about a Certificate of Participation for each of the entrants as well as Certificates of Award for each level of winners. Signed by the "Contest Director" and "Site Administrator". Either a physical document, suitable for framing, mailed to the participants by post or a pdf document attachment emailed to the participants, that can be printed to become a document suitable for framing.
Did I mention it should be suitable for framing so it can be hung in a prominent location and admired by all? 
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Baddox
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Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Location: Mexico, MO, United States
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@ Baldrick regarding prizes:
Of course most everyone will agree more prizes would be more enticing, but more prizes were not needed in this competition. Prizes were already very gracious, and I liked how things were changed to award 6 different films. I think how ever much prize money you can afford should be distributed among 5 or 6 films like you did in this competition. That's more appealing than only the top 3 films getting prizes. I could see some hardware prizes being cool, especially if you or other admins have used stuff to donate. (Even an old sub-300-dollar minidv cam, or minidv tapes, or a nice camera case would be cool to get, in my opinion, it wouldn't have to be anything like an XL2 or alienware editing studio )
Basically, the prizes were top-notch for this competition.
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gadgetguy
Contestant
Joined: 14 Feb 2002
Location: Michigan, USA
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I was mostly joking about doubling the monetary awards. As I said all along, I would have entered even if the prize was only $5. It was fun to do regardless. But it would be nice to see some top prizes include some video production hardware, Cams, Mics, Lights, that kind of thing. Or 100 packs of Ty blanks, burners, or firewire cards, something along those lines.
Of course that gets into shipping hassles, but if you can find sponsors from some of the advertisers, maybe you can get them to throw that in too.
On a more humorous note...
I suggest all judges come from Offline's place, based on this post.
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axeminister
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Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: United States
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Noob here:
I think it also takes time to build a following. If the first contest didn't have a lot of entries, that's ok, each one will have more as more people find out about it.
I stopped by yesterday and registered, I'll check back frequently for the announcement for the next contest, I'll enter a movie and vote.
There's one more person anyway.
Remember: If you build it, they will come."
I can't wait for the call for a film. I'm itching to write and shoot something new for a reason.
Axe
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