| Would you buy your DVD/VHS collection again on HD DVD/BluRay? |
| Yes |
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5% |
[ 156 ] |
| No |
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48% |
[ 1389 ] |
| Not sure |
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5% |
[ 161 ] |
| Who cares about HD |
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4% |
[ 115 ] |
| Depends on price |
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9% |
[ 273 ] |
| I don't own a HD television/projector etc |
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8% |
[ 247 ] |
| Only the collectables (LOTR Trilogy, Star Wars etc...) |
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12% |
[ 365 ] |
| What is HD-DVD/BluRay? |
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5% |
[ 157 ] |
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Baldrick
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Joined: 09 Aug 2000
Location: Sweden
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Marco33
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Joined: 19 Dec 2002
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Why would we buy them over again, the PQ on most regular dvd's are poor for that medium.
Just like dvd, most movies will be ported over in hast... leaving a poor transfer for the masses.
" OH OH it's a HD-DVD... yippie yippie" 
Meanwile there will be no standard of PQ. We will be left with garbage transfers of movies that in all reality, may not look any better than their older brother... standard dvd's.
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yoda313
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Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: the real world
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Hi,
I'll probably wait on the next gen dvds as I don't have a hdtv yet. But whenever I do get them I'll only buy the "must have" discs. The big ones like LOTR and Star Wars. The extra space will allow more and more bonuses to be put on them without a loss in movie quality.
But since the next gen players will be backward compatible will I want to buy a hd/bluray version of Beverly Hills Ninja if I already have the dvd??? Hell no!
Kevin
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kkmike
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Joined: 19 Jul 2005
Location: Chicago suburb
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Nope, not until the transfer quality is better. Right now it will probably be like watching a HBO movie broadcast in HD that is from 1980. Just sharper noise.
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Wile_E
Desert Wanderer
Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Location: Texas
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I own less than a dozen DVD's, as I mostly rent. I've actually been waiting for a higher resolution format, such as HD. When DVD's first came out, I couldn't believe they settled on MPEG2 for compression. Not all frames are preserved from the original film. I would like to have a video format, that preserves ALL frames, like DV,HDV or Laserdisc. MPEG2 does not, it interpolates. This causes artifacts, and also some stuff to look static and not animate.
Personally for HD discs(Blu-Ray/HD-DVD), I wish they would use a compression that preserves all frames, instead of MPEG2/MPEG4/DiVX. Laserdisc was better in this area, even though it was analog video. Blu-Ray has enough storage space for two hours of DV and HDV, so I don't know why they are using crappy MPEG2/MPEG4. I could care less about extras on a disc.
Transfer Quality...
Yes, this needs to get better too. Too many DVD's being released that are not being restored. Even new films. They just transfer them to DVD, without taking all the dust/specks/streaks out. I have several new releases, and they all show film flaws, such as the dust. They need to start using Digital ICE on film to DVD transfers.
I'm also not going to buy a so-called "HD-DVD/Blu-Ray" disc, that has a re-interpolated upscaled DVD MPEG2 movie on it. Studios need to re-scan the films in, at a much higher recolution for HD format. They should've done this in the first place, to start preserving films. Kodak Cineon system was a start. Film studios need to scan in their films, frame-by-frame, at a super-high resolution. High enough resolution, where the film could be shown on the big screen digitally, in the future. (1920x1080 HD will not be high enough.)
If they only scan the film in for HDTV, then in 30 years when people have "SuperHDTV", the HDTV scan will not be enough. Studios need to get their act together, and start preserving films digitally at a SUPER-HIGH Resolution, ready for the digital big screen! So what if it will take TERABYTES to store the film digitally? In the future, terabytes will look like KiloBytes. Storage space will always be increasing.
Will I buy HD-DVD/Blu-Ray discs? Probably, yes, if it is a higher resolution scan, and if they actually digitally restored the film, taking all dust/specs out of the frames. Do I like MPEG compression used? NO.
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mbellot
Large Member
Joined: 01 Jan 2002
Location: United States
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| kkmike wrote: |
| Just sharper noise. |
More like just sharper crap. 99% of the garbage produced isn't even worth distributing on VHS, let alone DVD.
Its not like HD is going to somehow magically improve Duece Bigelow. 
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yoda313
POLLSTER
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: the real world
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Hi,
| wile_e wrote: |
| Personally for HD discs(Blu-Ray/HD-DVD), I wish they would use a compression that preserves all frames, instead of MPEG2/MPEG4/DiVX. Laserdisc was better in this area, even though it was analog video. Blu-Ray has enough storage space for two hours of DV and HDV, so I don't know why they are using crappy MPEG2/MPEG4. |
I'm sure the main reason they stuck with the mpeg format was to make it easier for backward compatibility. If they were to go to a different compression scheme they'd have to make the players more versatile and have more chips on it to read the formats. By sticking with mpeg they have less to deal with and can easily playback the "old" formats.
Kevin
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MOVIEGEEK
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Joined: 08 Mar 2002
Location: CA,USA
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| mbellot wrote: |
More like just sharper crap. 99% of the garbage produced isn't even worth distributing on VHS, let alone DVD.
Its not like HD is going to somehow magically improve Duece Bigelow. |
I won't update my collection because I'm happy with 720x480 and I don't plan on buying an HDTV with HDMI for a long time.
Now if the next generation DVD players will support DVD-Audio/SACD/DVD-MP3/Divx/WMV/-R DL/+R DL/"wizbangmusthave" format...I might buy one. 
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ROF
Banned
Joined: 04 Feb 2005
Location: USA
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The sooner the better. We're HD ready here. 
Compression, transfer, BLAH! Nothing is perfect. If you want perfect, I guess you'll have to live on a movie set.
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edDV
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Joined: 06 Mar 2004
Location: Northern California, USA
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| Wile_E wrote: |
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Transfer Quality...
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Studios need to re-scan the films in, at a much higher recolution for HD format. They should've done this in the first place, to start preserving films. Kodak Cineon system was a start. Film studios need to scan in their films, frame-by-frame, at a super-high resolution. High enough resolution, where the film could be shown on the big screen digitally, in the future. (1920x1080 HD will not be high enough.)
If they only scan the film in for HDTV, then in 30 years when people have "SuperHDTV", the HDTV scan will not be enough. Studios need to get their act together, and start preserving films digitally at a SUPER-HIGH Resolution, ready for the digital big screen! So what if it will take TERABYTES to store the film digitally? In the future, terabytes will look like KiloBytes. Storage space will always be increasing.
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For good old NTSC/PAL, the film transfer standards evolved roughly as follows.
1960s-mid 1970s - 2" Quaruplex videotape
mid 1970's to late 1980's - 1" Type C and later some D2 composite.
late 1980s to ~2003 - D1 (uncompressed 4:2:2) or Digital Betacam (2x compressed 4:2:2)
Laserdisc used 1" Type C (early) or D1 (later) masters.
HDTV transfers are now supposed to be 1080p (1920x1080 progressive) to a datarecorder.
These will be used for HD DVD formats at 1080p.
Current release tapes off this database for HDTV broadcast are 1080i.
ABC may be getting 720p tapes directly or they are deinterlacing the 1080i tapes.
Digital theater prints (future production) are on the order of 4kx2k (like Star Wars 3) or 4kx4k.
Old movies will probably be upscaled from the D1 (480i) or 1080p data.
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Xylob the Destroyer
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Joined: 18 Sep 2004
Location: Earth, for now
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i ticked "only the collectibles", but i will eventually back-up most of my DVD collection to whichever format 'wins the war' just to save shelf space
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Cole
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Joined: 29 Sep 2002
Location: Behind the Sofa
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No, most of my DVD collection is vintage British Television drama; much of this has had to be cleaned up for DVD release. I can't see that there can be much further improvement than has already been done on stuff that is twenty to fifty years old.
Heck; most of my DVD's soundtracks are in mono!
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MOVIEGEEK
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Joined: 08 Mar 2002
Location: CA,USA
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With the "No"* hovering around 50% I think the movie studios and retailers are going to have a tough sell,sort of like DVD-Audio or SACD.
I wish the studios would remaster the old titles and add DTS before releasing them on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
*I know this isn't a scientific poll but it gives a general idea.
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ROF
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Joined: 04 Feb 2005
Location: USA
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| MOVIEGEEK wrote: |
With the "No"* hovering around 50% I think the movie studios and retailers are going to have a tough sell,sort of like DVD-Audio or SACD.
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They've already got a tough sell. Do you buy an HD-DVD device or a Blu-Ray Device? Certainly the studios that support one or the other will not be releasing their movies in the opposing format, although there are certain studios (Sony anyone) who will support one format (BetaMax) and distribute movies on an opposing format (VHS). Of course, Sony is the same company who sued to have MP3's illegal while selling MP3 Walkmans.
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redwudz
Mod Neophyte
Joined: 07 Sep 2002
Location: AZ, USA
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What Wile_E said. When HD quality approaches cinema quality, I'll replace some of my favorites.
Hope this is not off-topic, but some commercial cinema movies are now on digital media for theater projection. Does someone have a link to their format, size, info on them. Just curious on how they do it.
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edDV
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Joined: 06 Mar 2004
Location: Northern California, USA
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redwudz
Mod Neophyte
Joined: 07 Sep 2002
Location: AZ, USA
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Thanks, edDV, just what I was looking for.
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ricardouk
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Joined: 15 Mar 2005
Location: PORTUGAL
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just another way for the studios to get more money
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TBoneit
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Location: USA
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Considering that I've probably spent $1000 to transfer VHS to DVD.... And given that the only new(?) DVDs I buy are clearance from rental stock at a local video store, no I won't be replacing them.
TBC + JVC HR-S9911U + Pioneer DVR-531H, the 1st a while ago, the other 2 recently. All from reccomendations/opinions/reviews in messages here. Thanks!
I'm generally happy with the results, will I go HDTV, When I have/am forced to.
Why did I spend that money that I had to pinch elsewhere to free up? Many of my VHS collection are not and/or will not be available on DVD in any forseeable future. IE Home movies, Specials, out of print VHS etc.
Down the road if/when a HDTV type of system that can also record/play DVDs becomes affordable I may replace them onto new media to save shelf space.
OTOH doing that will mean new covers that look good and can display however many DVD titles that fit onto the new media. So I may not do that either for esthetic reasons.
Cheers
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impmon2
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Joined: 31 Jan 2002
Location: United States
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If the price for HD-DVD are good I may consider buying HD-DVD instead of standard DVD like I've been doing in the last 4 years buying DVD instead of VHS. A lot of VHS tapes I still own still hasn't been released in DVD format yet! grrr...  
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zleepy
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Joined: 13 Feb 2002
Location: Bull's eye - NY, ny usa
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Only if the images are HD.
I'm a visual person and many of my DVD's bother me due to their low quality images/encoding.
Many people perfer mp3 over SACD/DVD-A, and I'm sure Divx-iPod will be just as popular as mp3-ipod.
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Marco33
Now in HD
Joined: 19 Dec 2002
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| zleepy wrote: |
Only if the images are HD.
I'm a visual person and many of my DVD's bother me due to their low quality images/encoding. |
I agree... problem is What IS "HD". I don't know of any "standard". And even if there is one, what's to keep them from encoding the hell out of a transfer.
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ricoman
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Location: CT, USA
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No, I have a 50" Sony LCD rear proj. HDTV, along with my LG upconverting DVD player, the picture and sound is fantastic, near HD quality. As a matter of fact it is every bit as good as the the average (say network) HD broadcasts, just not quite as good as the 2 or 3 great channels. I can't see spending, what I'm sure will be very high prices, for a slightly better newer technology.
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