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EddyH
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Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Location: Soul sucking suburbia!
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| SingSing wrote: |
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Very clean gshelley61, and well defined;
but I can't honestly say I like it, being a
PAL person. NTSC just can not replicate flesh tones.
You are used to it - I'm not. :/ |
Is the good captain embarrassed, or we are seeing it with NTSC fleshtone artifact ? |
Ahhh i love living in a place where FM, differentially encoded colour broadcasting is the norm 
However having had to make VCDs from some rather rubbish downloads before that originated on NTSC VHS, I can state that the TMPGEnc YCbCr colour correcting tools are fantastic and you really should give them a try for this sort of thing (or, i suppose, any other tool which works similarly - but TMPG's phase histograms of the three signal constituents are super helpful in lining it all up right when your eyes have got paint-colour-swatch judgement fatigue)... I don't even think you need to MPG encode through it, as it can export AVI after all..
Some pretty good info in this thread, particularly the megapost  Will have to refer back to it fairly soon as I intend to do some VHS -> DVD conversion... and will need some serious hints on what free tools and plugins would be the best to use to stop a 23 year old (but well preserved) tape looking terrible when archived on disc (sooner or later the cellulose backing of that iron oxide film is going to biodegrade..)!! Luckily it's only an hour and thirteen so I can give it lots of bits, and episodic so capturing uncompressed will likely not be an issue either.
Always remember kids - VCD is half VHS quality, background noise and audio fidelity aside. CVD is VHS, SVCD is about SVHS. Tape is better than you think it is, thanks to the interlacing! (even a long play one i used as source recently looks quite good on disc)
But it does only record, natively, in composite (that's the actual signal that's laid down on the tape, a composite one.. early players had no super complex circuitry, they just stripped the RF off an incoming feed, and added it back on to an outgoing one), so your SVideo connection is not really worth much unless the VCR itself has a really really good comb filter installed.
Hm. Also need to find some info on repairing/servicing of Mitsubishi models. The one I was going to use as source - and had done until very recently, for my tests - is a pretty nice 6 head model thats been in the family for the best part of 14 years ... and has developed a very worrying bearing shriek on the rewind spindle that now shows up during play. Have chopped in a much newer and reliable Bush spare, but although the quality is roughly the same (not bad for a 4 head), there's a slight loss of smoothness, of line-to-line horizontal shift sync, and no control over sharpening/smoothing/auto-enhance/tracking like the old one had. All it needs is a bit of axle grease on the spindle, but i can't figure out how to get access once the lid's been lifted. Too complex. 
(It's all dying, boooo)
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paulotaka
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Joined: 13 Jul 2007
Location: Brazil
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Hi Friends,
I'm new in this forum, and I'll appreciate any information that somebody could give me. I have a combo LG RC7000 and I'm trying to convert VHS to DVD, but when I try to convert, on the screen appears that's not possible to copy. I beleive that the VHS is protect agains duplicate. Does any body know is there is a way to disable the protection on the VHS on the RC7000?
My best regards,
Paulo
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blackice
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Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Location: United Kingdom
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Hi - What would be a god VHS deck to capture from? Any recommendations?
I'm in the UK and just using some basic deck at the moment
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2Bdecided
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Joined: 21 Nov 2007
Location: United Kingdom
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[quote="EddyH"]
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Tape is better than you think it is, thanks to the interlacing! (even a long play one i used as source recently looks quite good on disc)
But it does only record, natively, in composite |
No it doesn't - chroma and luma are separate on tape. However, the limited bandwidth of each when coming back off VHS means that they don't overlap in frequency on a composite output, so can in theory be perfectly separated again later. Practice isn't theory, so an S-video output is still handy.
I echo blackice's question - here in 2007, are there any decent S-VHS decks available in the UK/Europe?
Cheers,
David.
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soulandy
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Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: Manchester, UK
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could anyone tell me what leads software I need to transfer old video tape to my pc to transfer to dvd's? I have old camcorder tapes when the kids were little and would like them on dvd. I have been told I just need some leads from the back of my video recorder to the pc then some burning software. Any help advice much appreciated. I'll now go and trawl through this thread.
Cheers
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TheFamilyMan
Going Mad
Joined: 09 Jan 2004
Location: south SF bay area, CA USA
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Nice joke
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noeth2
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Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: United States
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I started out reading this post to find help on "how to" convert my VHS movies to DVD and now I am so totally frustrated and confused that I am about to throw the whole computer in the trash. Is there anybody out there that can help me figure this out with very simple english language. I have a VCR using commercially produced VHS movies. I want to convert them onto DVDs so I can save my collection. The movies I am having trouble with are protected,therefore I am not able to copy them on my DVD/VCR all in one. I amthinking Ihave to therefore go through my computer, which is a media center and does have an AVI (or capture) card already onboard. From what I have read, I think that if I can get the movie to stream onto my PC, I can then burn it onto a DVD? Am I totally off base here or am I somewhereinthe neighborhood of being able to do this?
Thanks,
You can call me "totally confused", I will know it is me you are talking to....
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SingSing
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Joined: 30 Apr 2001
Location: U.S.A.
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Why PC at all ?
Try VCR -> macrovision-remover -> DVD recorder.
Most of the time, peole don't edit commercial movies. If you really need to edit it, then rip from the recorded DVD and do it. Hey, a DVD disc is only $0.10.
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TheFamilyMan
Going Mad
Joined: 09 Jan 2004
Location: south SF bay area, CA USA
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Check out lordsmurf's excellent website for nearly everything you need to know about VHS to DVD via a PC. Copy protection is a problem that cannot be solved with software, so you'll need a device to remove it: a TBC, a "digital video stablizer", or a capture device that is not effected by it. BTW the above suggestion is very good advice IMHO.
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noeth2
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Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: United States
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Thank you for the information. What is your opinion of a digital video stabilizer? I have looked at the macrovision removers and they are a little cost prohibitive for me right now, thus the reason for trying to go through the PC. I have a pretty good size VHS movie collection and need to save what I have onto DVD format.
Again,
thank you for the information.
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SmokieStover
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Joined: 17 Sep 2006
Location: Central Illinois
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| noeth2 wrote: |
Thank you for the information. What is your opinion of a digital video stabilizer? I have looked at the macrovision removers and they are a little cost prohibitive for me right now, thus the reason for trying to go through the PC. I have a pretty good size VHS movie collection and need to save what I have onto DVD format.
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From your original Post and computer specs, I see you have a Hauppauge PVR card or box of some kind. Is it internal (PCI) or external (a box which sits outside of the PC with Video-Audio inputs and USB or firewire outputs)? What is the model number? Do you have the installation Disk?
With more information, someone may be able to help you down the trail.
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thecoalman
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Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Location: Pennsylvania
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| noeth2 wrote: |
| I have looked at the macrovision removers and they are a little cost prohibitive for me right now, thus the reason for trying to go through the PC. . |
You either have to remove it before it gets to the capture device or use a device that doesn't care if it's there, these are few and far between. As mentioned the internal Hauupage cards is one group of devices that will ignore it. Have you tried your external Hauppage device?
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orsetto
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Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Location: NYC
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| noeth2 wrote: |
Thank you for the information. What is your opinion of a digital video stabilizer? I have looked at the macrovision removers and they are a little cost prohibitive for me right now, thus the reason for trying to go through the PC. I have a pretty good size VHS movie collection and need to save what I have onto DVD format.
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Sometimes people forget there are many different kinds of "macrovision removers". The very expensive ones are pricey because they facilitate DVD-to-DVD backups, there are many lawsuits against these devices and scarcity of some of the better-known models is driving the price way up.
YOU do not need such an expensive recent one: you are simply transferring your tape collection to recordable DVD. Commercial tapes have MUCH less elaborate protection schemes than commercial DVDs and the details of that tape protection did not change every five minutes like it does on DVD releases. So you can look on eBay or at online stores and pick up whatever "black box" is in your price range. You can buy an old one from pre-dvd days or you can buy a new one for as little as $22 from the MCM Electronics website. These "lesser" filters won't allow DVD-to-DVD transfers but they WILL fix your tape-to-DVD issues. I agree with Sing Sing that you shouldn't bother using the PC for commercial tape backups: its more trouble than its worth for this many tapes. It would be MUCH easier if you can find or borrow another VCR from someone, plug it into the protection filter you buy, then plug the filter into the DVD recorder section of your all-in-one. (Most all-in-ones don't have connections to allow fitting a protection filter between their tape outputs and dvd inputs, that's why you need an extra VCR.)
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SingSing
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Joined: 30 Apr 2001
Location: U.S.A.
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My VHS macrovision remover costs $19.00, and runs for 1 year on a 9V battery.
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chupacabra
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Joined: 17 Sep 2007
Location: Magyarország
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noeth2
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Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: United States
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First, let me say thank you, thank you, thank you! I have a WinTV-PVR USB2 by hauppauge and seem to have it working through my PC. I have been able to stream the VHS movie through my PC and save it in a file on my computer, but it saves it in a .mpg file and wants to play it back through the Windows Media Player. Is there a different extention that I need to try to save the file as before I can burn it onto a DVD?
I think I found the forum to learn from.
Thanks,
not quite so confused anymore
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SmokieStover
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Joined: 17 Sep 2006
Location: Central Illinois
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| noeth2 wrote: |
First, let me say thank you, thank you, thank you! I have a WinTV-PVR USB2 by hauppauge and seem to have it working through my PC. I have been able to stream the VHS movie through my PC and save it in a file on my computer, but it saves it in a .mpg file and wants to play it back through the Windows Media Player. Is there a different extention that I need to try to save the file as before I can burn it onto a DVD?
I think I found the forum to learn from.
Thanks,
not quite so confused anymore |
You want to record as a mpg DVD compiant file (the mp audio is fine/don't convert to PCM or Dolby digital). The WinTV software will record by default in DVD Extra Long Play......DO NOT USE that recording profile.
To set the recording profile, open WinTV>click on the PREF button>click on the Movies Tab>then in the Quality Settings Box select a setting or profile which best matches the length of the movie, for example:
DVD Standard Play.......1 Hr 30 Min Max,
DVD Long Play..............1Hr 58 Min Max,
MPG2 4.0 Kbs 1/2D1....... 2Hr 18 Min Max.
For longer movies, you can use DVD Standard PLay, and split the tape manually (overlapping recordings) or in software from one continuous recording using either VideoRedo + the INCLUDED DVD Authoring Software, or using TMPG DVD Author by itself. You can also make custom DVD recording profiles, but that's a bit too advanced for now.
To burn to DVD for playing back to a TV, you need a proper mpg2 recording and DVD Authoring Software. Your PVR should have came with some version of Ulead DVD Moviefactory....it will Author the DVD (write the DVD folder using the recorded mpg2) and also burn it to DVD.
Most burn with ImgBurn, and so do I. But for now, I suggest you record one half hour of one of your tapes at the DVD Standard Play profile, and then use it to learn the next step....DVD Authoring.
Did Ulead DVD Moviefactory come with your PVR?
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stevesgrabber
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Joined: 27 Jun 2008
Location: Australia
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Believe me get the EasyCap video grabber dc 60 +. Its really amazing and Im doing exactly what you want to achieve. I also have a DVD recorder JVC and record to dvd RW and import these files to hard drive and edit in Ulead video studio or pinnacle ultimate or vegas or movie factory. My favorite is videostudio plus or SE and pinnacle ultimate.
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globirdie
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Joined: 30 Jul 2008
Location: United States
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I found the answer for Analog and VHS transfer to DVD plus capturing video at the same time via firewire.
I purchased a Panasonic DMR-ES40V VHS Recorder it burns VHS to DVD instantly with some chapers and titles built in. But the true beauty is that connecting my Cannon ZR85 to ithe DMR either via AV wires single jack into the camara. with Just that Jack and a firewire I can record a DV tape as the VHS is burning a DVD. AND at the same time capture the video into the pc for editing via the firewire from the camara Or I can attach the AV wires, or S Video or DV input in the front of the DMR and burn a DVD directly to disk without any captureing into the pc
But the real sweet treat is I can send the LIVE output to the camara attached to the DMR and use a TV as a Monitor. Good Luck it took me alot of sleepless nights to find this solution It works and saves time I found the DMR on Ebay for 300 several years ago. Beats capture card troubleshooting The hardest part was decifering the manual
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