Panasonic Tips and Tricks

Tom Roper · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2004

A better test to prove or disprove that the playback problems are caused by the authoring and not the burning:

1.) Burn a DVD-R on the Panasonic.
2.) Use a DVD-ROM drive to copy the Panasonic disk image to the PC.
3.) Use a desktop burner to Re-burn the Panasonic-authored disk image to another DVD disk.

Compare THAT disk to the one burned on the Panny, or compare it to the one authored with TMPGEnc DVD Author.

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lordsmurf · Posted: Mar 13, 2005 16:42

Using DVD Shrink or TDA (and prior to Shrink/TDA's existance, some rather nasty arcane methods) has been a staple trick for Panasonic owners as far back as I can remember ... mid/late 2002 or so when the standalones were being sold in stores at non-insane prices.

In effect ... re-authoring. This is not new to me at all. Not all of them showed this flaw, but a great many did. People often don't notice because they use the recorder as a player.

I get e-mails about this all the time: "My Panasonic discs quit working", etc. Once you get the discs on the drive, especially if you try to edit, you run into AC3 errors, as the Panasonic-generated AC3 streams are often flawed.

So there's another tip for you:

1.. If you want to edit the MPEG files, do it on the Panasonic. Or get another recorder if you want to edit on the PC with zero flaws.

2.. If your discs "quit working" then re-author in DVD Shrink or TDA. Merely re-copying to new media will not often fix there, as the error is an authoring flaw.
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Tom Roper · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2004

donpedro · member bember Joined: 05 Aug 2002 Location: EU

Tom Roper · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2004

Yes donpedro. I read your post(s). Can we talk about the substance?

Which to summarize, you laid out a scenario where two years ago you used a friend's E30 to copy one VHS tape. The DVD you burned did not play on your Daewoo 5800, or one other un-named player but did play on a 3rd. You concluded that the authoring was bad because you were able to get it to play when you re-authored. Above, you postulated the reason why, that it is your guess that the chips used in 2 players can handle something 1 player can't.

Meanwhile in one of the threads you linked, shhas stated that a disk burned on his DMR80 would not play in the Daewoo 5800 but did play in 5-6 others. Another poster, bobinga stated that his Daewoo will not play disks burned with his E50, but that he took it to Circuit City where it played well in 3 different players.

If you add those observations to your own:

1.) E30/E50/E80 authored disks played well in 10/13 players
2.) E30/E50/E80 authored disks did not play in 3/13 players
3.) Of the 3 named players not playing all were Daewoo 5800!

Edit: The above list is not complete. One guy cited an Apex player and another guy cited a portable DVD player as incompatible. Still another guy cited disks burned with his E20 was compatible with both Daewoo 5800 and 5900. Still another guy cites E55 is compatible with Apex.

Tom Roper · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2004

Anybody check this one out?

Tom Roper · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2004

DVD-Video Verifier...$500

...guess I won't be checking this one out anytime soon

donpedro · member bember Joined: 05 Aug 2002 Location: EU

Tom Roper · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2004

Tom Roper · Member Joined: 05 Mar 2004

Folks, with your permission I'd like to retract that last comment, fold my cards and acknowledge that donpedro is right.

I received a private email that offered the assurance I sought to confirm the authoring issue. While I haven't noticed it, most of the disks burned from recordings made with it were in fact re-authored using TMPGEnc DVD Author.

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FulciLives · Posted: Mar 19, 2005 00:58

ann coates · Member Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Location: New York

The only problem is I don't currently have a PC DVD burner..

donpedro · member bember Joined: 05 Aug 2002 Location: EU

If you don't have trouble with XP mode, why do you even bother with this issue ? As soon as you come across that problem, you know now how to fix it.
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ann coates · Member Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Location: New York

Well, I don't know if I have trouble with XP mode, I've never made a DVDr using it. I just recorded some video dubs to my hard drive using XP mode and they looked quite a bit better than SP mode. That's all I know. As far as now knowing how to fix it, as I said, I don't have a PC burner.

FulciLives · Posted: Mar 19, 2005 11:26

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zorankarapancev · Member Joined: 30 Sep 2003

ann coates,

I think that we have spent enough time explaining that the XP recording mode CAN be a problem for SOME of the DVD players (budget category). As donpedro said:

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zorankarapancev · Member Joined: 30 Sep 2003

Finally I got some time to put my hands on the new Panasonic DMR- ES10S.

And now some tips and tricks with for this recorder :

1. To use or not to use an LP mode of recording? If you need to record anything between 2 and 3 hours use FR mode of recording. You will get same SP resolution with less digital artifacts. LP mode is fine for recordings images without fast motions.

2. Be careful with the new DNR recording filter. If you record videotapes with excellent picture quality turn the filter OFF. When the VHS tape has occasional problems, set the filter on AUTO (this would be the most appropriate setting for general recordings). Make the setting ON only with the exceptionally troublesome VHS tapes.

3. Stay away from XP recordings if you want to use those recorded discs in the budget class DVD players. You will get occasional stuttering and even freezing of the picture. Panasonic still uses its proprietary hardware and software, which are well known for this kind of performance.

4. The remote control unit from the previous Panasonic generation DVD recorders also works with the new models in full capacity and without any problem.

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zorankarapancev · Member Joined: 30 Sep 2003

If you have the PAL version of the Panasonic DMR-ES10 recorder you can change PAL-NTSC recording systems if you wish. Select factory PAL preset when connecting to PAL or Multi-system TV screen and when you want to record from PAL equipment. At this setting, programs recorded from NTSC equipment will play as PAL 60. Select NTSC if you want to record from NTSC source (VHS or DVD players) and when you are connected to an NTSC TV set.

Instruction for changing PAL to NTSC system:

1. While the recorder is stopped press "FUNCTIONS".
2. Press “UP/DOWN” symbols to select “TO OTHERS” and press “ENTER”.
3. Press “UP/DOWN” to select “SETUP” and press “ENTER”.
4. Press “UP/DOWN” to select “CONNECTION” and press “>” (“RIGHT”).
5. Press “UP/DOWN” to select “TV SYSTEM” and press “ENTER”.
6. Press “UP/DOWN” to select the TV system and press “ENTER”.
7. Press “<” , “>” (“LEFT”, “RIGHT”) to select “YES” and press “ENTER”.
8. To exit the screen press “RETURN” several times.

Another simpler way to change PAL to NTSC setting:

- While the machine is stopped, press and hold “STOP” and “OPEN/CLOSE” buttons on the main unit at the same time for about 5 seconds.

People who travel around the world or are in the business of dubbing and converting VHS tapes and DVD’s may find this option useful. Unfortunately, for some reason it is not available in the NTSC version of this recorder sold in North America.

ofbarea · Member Joined: 01 Dec 2002 Location: Costa Rica

This feature is also available in the version sold in Latin America.

ricoman · Member Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Location: CT, USA

zorankarapancev: I read your post on setting the HYBRID VBR RESOLUTION to fixed for the E60, can this be done on the ES10? I can't find the setting. Also, can bitsetting or booktype be reset for the +R media to DVD-Rom so that it will play on my friend's standoalone?
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zorankarapancev · Member Joined: 30 Sep 2003

ricoman · Member Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Location: CT, USA

I'm not sure what the brand is, it's an older model and won't play +R media unless I set the booktype to DVD-Rom. Unfortunately (for him), most of my media is +R (my preference). +R media won't play on my work computer either, a year old Dell with some kind of NEC DVD combo drive.
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ricoman · Member Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Location: CT, USA

The ES10 apparently automatically sets the booktype of +R media to DVD-Rom and plays on all the computers and standalones that I mentioned. Nice feature.
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hitechluddite · Member Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: United States

Zoran, Great tips! Since this thread was started before the Dmreh-50S came out I wonder how much of the information you & others posted apply to this newer model.
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