PAL to NTSC, NTSC to PAL framerate conversion?

Baldrick · Administrator Joined: 09 Aug 2000 Location: Sweden

Buy a TV that supports both TV Systems(NTSC and PAL)

. Or buy a cheap DVD Player that can convert to your TV System.

If you really want to convert do some searching,
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Bubblevision · Member Joined: 17 Jul 2002 Location: Phuket, Thailand

I've been around the houses with PAL AVI > NTSC MPEG2 conversion for DVD and basically Procoder does just about the best job unless you want to fork out to get it done by someone who's running an Alchemist hardware converter. I've heard rumours about combinations such as After Effects with Twixtor being better though, and I'm always open to suggestions, because the conversion is still a bit steppy during scenes with a lot of lateral motion.
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nbarzgar · Member Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Location: Germany

I am not quite sure, if this is the right place, but here is what I did anyway, for anybody to try, if faced with the same problem:

I had to capture NTSC vhs for making a DVD of it, BUT I am in PAL-land. My VCR puts out NTSC as "PAL_60"-format, seems that is the usual procedure over here.

Now setting up the software and capturing was no problem (looked around the forum etc. a lot), but the resulting file lacked color, looked as if bleached, ALMOST b/w.
I first set out to convert to PAL, but any attempt at encoding failed, since the video looked dreadful and the audio was not anywhere near being in synch, although I followed the guides...

Since I know by this time a few things about AviSynth, wrote a script for color enhancement and the like, encoded with CCE (2.67), used BeSweet for audio encoding - after audio-extraction with VirtualDubMod - and ended up with video and audio badly out of synch! The original PCM wav was in synch, the mp2 file wasn't. I tried about every encoder out there, Canopus Procoder, CCE (s.a.), TMPG, WinAvi (v. 5.8 and 6), but only Canopus produced some reasonable results. Still:

The video was sometimes crappy, often with little stops in it. I went on to stay with NTSC-format, since most DVD-players 'know' it, yet although picture quality greatly improved, sound still was not in synch.

To cut a long story short: it took me 8 days, almost tearing my hair out by the roots

and then a sudden glimpse of the sun...

In Womble mpeg I got the frame-number of audio and video file, they were slightly different. I opened the audio with Adobe Audition (since am told, Goldwave has similar function) and got it to "stretch" the audio to the exact frame-number the video had got, telling it to keep the tone pitch. Actually this is no real "stretching", but I am translating from german, the effect in Audition is called that.
The only thing to look out for: I usually encode wav to mp2 for my capture-DVDs, AC3 not giving any better results, mp2 saving space, but every time I transcoded (BeSweet), it was again out of synch! Even though the wav had not been. So I kept it as wav for DVD-encoding.

At last video and audio perfectly in synch, picture quality great (as vhs source comes at all) and the DVD is now NTSC-format.

Thumper Strauss · Member Joined: 28 May 2001

I spent all weekend trying to convert interlaced PAL to interlaced NTSC without the jittery thing happening during lots of movement.

In the end, I connected by mini-DV camcorder to my Phillips DVD player and recorded the video to MiniDV tape. Then I transfered this new 29.97fps video to my PC, converted back to MPEG-2 in TMPGEnc and I it worked perfectly. No jittery video.

But I wish I didn't have to do that roundabout method.

What setting am I supposed to use to avoid that? I know that's a broad question because there are so many software choices, but if you tell me to use, say, DVD2AVI or VirtualDUB with AVIsynth, I'll do it! I tried all those and could never avoid the jitter.

Help!

lordsmurf · Posted: Aug 01, 2005 10:53

This makes for an interesting read:
http://www.videointerchange.com/pal_secam_conversions.htm#Pal%20C ... iderations
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SCDVD · Member Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Location: United States

I need to convert two DVDs from NTSC to PAL. I have looked over the various procedures described in the guides and forum. All of them are multistep precedures involving several software tools. Since more and more software tools are introduced frequently and existing ones upgraded, I am wondering if there may be something newer that is closer to a "one click" solution within a single software product. If not, is there a more streamlined procedure than those shown?

Baldrick · Administrator Joined: 09 Aug 2000 Location: Sweden

no.

ArtemisG3 · Member Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: United States

I have had good results using ffmpeg. I first extract the VOB (in my case, using yade X), then I do the conversion with this command. After that is complete, I author that video file (MovieGate).

Here is an example command of converting PAL to NTSC (all one line):

Bjs · RoadKill Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Location: Australia

Actually ... the answer is no to a "one button sollution" ... but as for the other being any one application being able to , the answer is yes .

Though you need add some input , as no program can guess what it is you want the outcome to be ... if it could , it be ordering beer and pizza's every friday before the football .

Ulead video studio ... version 9 se in ebay cheap .

Nstc to pal , pal to nstc .. many feature's ... with dvd burning on top .

Considering what is included in the se package for it's price ... it save's having to work with many program's .

Not to forget , cutting mpeg's ... more acurate than other tool's ... and with less stuff up's ... hello to tmpgenc ... grrr

poescp · Member Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Location: Austria

There is only one true, proper and cheap way to convert NTSC to PAL and that is buying Canopus Procoder Express. Believe me, I have search all Video Sites and have tried all the scripts and freeware programs including the so called best Avisynth scripts, but they still leave the final video not in top quality. I have spent a half a year search the net. If anybody does come up with a better/cheap solution do let me know.

manono · Member Joined: 28 Aug 2003

There is only one true, proper and cheap way to convert NTSC to PAL and that is buying Canopus Procoder Express.

Nonsense.

poescp · Member Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Location: Austria

OK, challenge me. But an answer like "nonsence" is not quite helpful.

lenti_75 · Member Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Location: USA

manono · Member Joined: 28 Aug 2003

OK, I use AviSynth feeding CCE. Does a great job. Any decent encoder can do it. To say only one encoder can do a proper NTSC to PAL conversion is ridiculous. If you like the soft, blurry picture that Procoder gives you, then fine, but we're not discussing the quality of encoder output, but whether or not there's only "one true, proper and cheap way" to do the conversion. And I still say "nonsense". By the way, I don't use Procoder, but I understand it blends the frames to do the conversion. If you advance a frame at a time, I think you'll see it. So, not only is it NOT the "one true, proper and cheap way", but it's actually about the worst way.

poescp · Member Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Location: Austria

@manono. we were talking of a cheap way. cce in basic version does not do ntsc to pal conversion. cce in a higher version is not affordable for those wanting to do cheap.
however i have noticed what you have said about procoder and the blending issue. everytime i encode via procoder and add the final output to a avisynth script i have to add following code to the interlaced dvd material, so as to not have the dvd material jerky.

AssumeFieldBased()
SmoothDeinterlace(showlace=false)

could that be the reason why i need to add these two script commands or is there an alternative way?

this is my full script:

LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\SmoothDeinterlacer.dll")
video=mpeg2source("C:\My Documents\tempo.d2v")
audio=wavSource("C:\My Documents\tempo T01 2_0ch 448Kbps 48KHz.wav")
audiodub(video,audio)
ConvertToYUY2()
AssumeFieldBased()
SmoothDeinterlace(showlace=false)

manono · Member Joined: 28 Aug 2003

Hi-

we were talking of a cheap way. cce in basic version does not do ntsc to pal conversion. cce in a higher version is not affordable for those wanting to do cheap.

Well, I don't use the basic version, true, but as I understand it, its main limitation is it only lets you do 2 passes. If it accepts an AviSynth script (which it does), then it can do the conversion. For more, please see the other thread:

http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1537460#1537460

dphirschler · Ut Joined: 29 Aug 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA - USA

My experience with audio sync is this:

1) If the PAL video is film based and broadcast at 25fps, then just use Besweet's PAL to NTSC to slow down the audio. Convert the video to 23.976p.

2) If the PAL video is filmed at 25i then leave the audio alone. Convert the video to 29.97i.

3) If the PAL video is a converted NTSC 29.97i video then leave the audio alone. Convert the video back to 29.97i. It won't be pretty (it'd be best to get the original NTSC footage), but at least it will be in sync.

By those rules, I have not yet had any sync issues.

Darryl

arollason · Member Joined: 02 Apr 2003

I've read through all this and it all sounds pretty complicated, having to download several bits of software. At the moment i'm using either NeroVision Express or Pinnacle 10 to convert PAL - NTSC or vice versa. I don't have a problems with the sound, thats all fine, but what i don't like is the slight stuttering of picture after conversion. Is there a simple all in one product out there that does the job a lot better?

Thanks.

SCDVD · Member Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Location: United States

arollason · Member Joined: 02 Apr 2003

Yes I agree totally with you. There must be one decent affordable product where I can just put in a VOB or MPG file in PAL format and convert it into NTSC, without having to go through about 30 steps and countless conversions and audio/video separations. I had a look at one of these guides and after about an hour i just gave up.

fritzi93 · Member Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Location: U.S.

AlecWest · Posted: Sep 25, 2006 18:19

I decided to experiment with AQE2DVD. Problem? First, there are no help files with it. At first I thought it was dead-on-arrival since the "Open DVD" button was grayed out. Then, just as an experiment, I entered an output file directory ... and the button started to work. But, frankly, that's all that did work.

I pointed it toward my DVD and the status bar said "extracting audio" ... and I waited, and waited. After 15 minutes of this, I took a peek in the directory. The audio file was extracted ... but the software did not proceed on to the video. It just sat there like a lump on my desktop ... doing absolutely nothing. I even checked Explorer and found that the app wasn't using any CPU time at all. It just kept saying "extracting audio" after the task was already finished.

Oh, well. Maybe the next version will be better.
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AlecWest · Posted: Sep 26, 2006 01:04