PAL / NTSC DVD Conversion (patch method)

mathesar · Member Joined: 26 Mar 2004

This method works on my Sony NS-725P player , the framerate isnt perfectly smooth like it should be but its hardly noticable.

Scyzor75 · Member Joined: 29 Jan 2005

I try IFOEdit metod - works fine (I can watch PAL movies on NTSC dvd player), but this metod crop screen without subtitles (Polish movies with English subtitles)

XImpalerX · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2005

For some reason when I change the original IFO files in IFOEDIT I can see it change to NTSC..when I save it reverts back to PAL...
Am I supposed to save the changed IFO's to a different folder then copy and paste the VOB files into that directory?
I did it that way but when I opened the new IFO files in IFO edit it still said it was PAL and WOULDN't let me change back to NTSC.

magnus33 · Member Joined: 30 Oct 2004

the * dude · Member Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Location: UK

anyone knows how this works???
seems to me that we just speed up/ slowdown the frame rate, like i do with avi's (23.9-->25fps)...

so it should work best with film (23.9), disk maybe thats why some people get a stutery video, that source may be in 29.9 fps....

or does it really do a conversion (ie, add/drop un-needed frames)????

draven1968 · Member Joined: 23 Aug 2001 Location: Australia

I work in the tv/dvd/vcr installation field, in australia, and many customers buy ntsc dvds and when to try to watch them they either get a black and white picture or a rolling picture (because their TV cant handle 60hz) by selecting PAL (instead of AUTO) in the colour system menu on the DVD player it will FORCE the dvd to playback in PAL and in colour (there is however a slight jitter on "panning" scenes).

We here in Australia have many tv's which support 50/60hz which play NSTC/PAL DVD's just fine

Ive NEVER converted a dvd ....becuase my tv (a PHILIPS brand, 6years old can handle 50/60hz) i cant see why people want to convert pal2ntsc unless they have a 10-15 tv or..........(see question below)

Does America and other countries have the same compatability in tv's ?? (50/60hz compatability???)

Cheers

Phil

BogieV · Member Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Japan

No, Japan where I am is striktly NTSC country

My friend bought PAL DVD and told me he can not see it on his Sanyo TV/DVD combo. I took it and again my Samsung DVD player wouldn't transfer it to NTSC. The TV sets are strictly NTSC only, and the law forces makers to make their DVD players NTSC only too (as only way to stop people watch Europian DVDs which are same region).
So the patch method gave me the means to help my friend. Well slightly shifted menus to down but it was OK after all.

Note: You can buy abroad models in Japan that will play PAL but usually not transfer to NTSC while NTSC can be seen on PAL TV.
The only 'safe' brand is Victor (JVC) you can be sure it will play PAL on NTSC TV.

DJRumpy · Member Joined: 09 Sep 2002 Location: Dallas, Texas

the * dude: This method does not convert any of the material in the normal sense. It only allows your dvd player to resize the output in a letterbox format. It does not change the framerate. It only makes it appear to be a compatible MPEG to your DVD player.
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tchouli · Member Joined: 14 Dec 2004

still having issues - new install of ifoedit and new pc - still after following step-by-step i cannot get the changes to save. advice?
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punjiman · Member Joined: 03 Feb 2005

THANKS!!!

just rescued my night, the patch worked just fine. video very slightly jittery, but definitely watchable.

thx again!

DJRumpy · Member Joined: 09 Sep 2002 Location: Dallas, Texas

tchouli, if your exiting out of IFOEdit after you save, and you still do not see the updates, then make sure your IFO's are not read only. Other than that, try posting your question in the main forum to see if anyone else has experience with your problem.
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tchouli · Member Joined: 14 Dec 2004

thanks - i will try that
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retro · Member Joined: 04 Mar 2005

The method seems to work perfectly when I play my DVD's on my Sony DVP-NS325. However, it didn't go so smoothly when I tested the same DVD on a Pioneer DV-353 and then on a Sony DVP-NS575P. I either got half green screens or rolling.

Is there a chance this method only works on newer progressive scan players that were built in the last couple of years?

Lachu · Member Joined: 09 Mar 2005

I have followed the steps. The "DVD" sees with a green strip in the superior part of the screen and another one on the low part. It only happens in my reproducer of TV (Sony DVP-NS 325), not in the PC.

ToddNothingClever · Member Joined: 18 Mar 2005

Thanks DJRUMPY! I did it just like you said and it worked perfectly! Saved me from having to re-encode video on a 500mhz k6II pc! Toshiba sd-k620 player, memorex 8x dvd-r.

bmwracer · Yagyu Spy Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Driver's Seat

I had my doubts about this method, but I have to say I got it to work with my 5+ year old Sony DVP-S360...

One oddity: I can't see the English subs using the Sony, but I can see 'em on my PC (using PowerDVD)... Any reason why that would happen?

Will try a couple more different PAL discs soon...

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magnus33 · Member Joined: 30 Oct 2004

that seems to happen with some dvd's do to the tv.

some tv's can't deal with the input where as say s big screen or plasma would have no issues.

the pc on the other hand isn't stuck to one resolution so it can easly display the subs.

my own fault for buying a cheap tv...lol.

fortunaly not many dvd's have this problem.

ps..for those haveing issues with inforedit i found that 97 has some bugs but 96 works perfectly.

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magnus33 · Member Joined: 30 Oct 2004

it may be sometime before you get a response since this is rare and only happens with the odd dvd.

DJRumpy · Member Joined: 09 Sep 2002 Location: Dallas, Texas

retro: No. It simply varies by player. Some new players still don't work with this. Remeber that this is non-standard, meaning it may not work on your player.

Lachu: Your player obviously has problems with this method then.

ToddNothingClever: Your welcome

bmwracer: It's due to the fact that your player isn't scaling the video properly. it's probably cutting off the bottom of the video. Your PC is much more forgiving about non-standard mpeg video.

magnus33: Problems with this method are due to the dvd player, not the television.
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DJRumpy · Member Joined: 09 Sep 2002 Location: Dallas, Texas

Just remember that the true height of your MPEG is almost 100 pixels higher than an NTSC mpeg. Most subtitles are placed at the very bottom, so they are the first to be bumped off. Usually the player will scale the image so that you don't experience this.
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magnus33 · Member Joined: 30 Oct 2004

magnus33 · Member Joined: 30 Oct 2004

i am begining to wonder if this is two different things that only look to be one.

dona · Member Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Location: Canada

it works but there is a problem: I converted a DVD from PAL to NTSC and now my NTSC DVD player can play it. But ... a gap has been inserted between the cursor and the menu items (the cursor is not any more on the items). And my subtitle is displayed out of the screen (I can see only the top of the sub), as if the picture's vertical dimension is too big. I don't know what to do, I can't experiment and thow away DVDs. Can anybody tell me what settings would be OK in IfoEdit to make the picture fit well?

Thank you

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dona · Member Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Location: Canada

I tried to convert a DVD from PAL to NTSc with dvdSanta and it seems to work. But I have this problem: I add in dvdSanta the three ifo files that my original DVD has. But, when I add one of them I get an error message:

Can anybody tell me how to correct this before sending it to dvdSanta?

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dona · Member Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Location: Canada

Here is the error message (I hope this time it will be inserted)

dona · Member Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Location: Canada

Well the message is:"Unable to determine the duration of VTS_01_0.ifo"