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NTSC=>PAL conversion using RGB outputs

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apakhira
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Post Posted: Mar 07, 2004 11:05 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I have a PAL TV.So, it can't display NTSC DVDs properly when the video signal is passed through composite connections.It shows Black and White images. I am planning to buy a DVD Player whch has component outputs (RGB).If I take the RGB outputs and convert them into PAL Composite signals using an IC such as AD 725, will I be able to see the DVDs in colour?

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Post Posted: Mar 07, 2004 11:51 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

There do exist DVD players that are region free and also do NTSC to PAL conversions.

So they can play ANY region DVD be it NTSC or PAL and can convert NTSC to PAL for display on a PAL only TV

I live in the USA so I don't know where to buy in Europe but I'm sure someone from Europe will come along and post.

In the meantime search the 'net or buy some electronics/video magazines which should have ads to European outlets that sell such special DVD players.

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lenti_75
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Post Posted: Mar 07, 2004 13:18 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

NO
you either have to buy a converter, or a dvd who does the conversion from ntsc to pal.


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Post Posted: Mar 07, 2004 13:55 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

Just buy a PAL DVD player that can play both formats (most do) or better still, one that is multiregion.
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BR87848
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Post Posted: Mar 09, 2004 11:47 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I bought a pioneer Pioneer DV-464S from amazon.co.uk and hooked it up to the TV with the std cable provided (not SCART). NTSC and some VCD's were playing in black and white.

So i bought an external NTSC to PAL Converter for £50, the only problem now was the PAL films were playing in black and white and it was to much of a faff to unplug it every time you wanted to watch a PAL dvd.

So i decided to buy a SVA D-2818, which has built in NTSC->PAL conversion. This worked fine but the only problem was when it came from the amazon.co.uk reseller it was locked to region 2 even though it was supposed to be multi-region, so i ended up selling it on to someone who only wanted region 2 anyway.

I asked the reseller for some advice on another suitable player and they recommended the Toshiba SD330E and was going to sell it me for £15 + delivery, so i bought it anyway. It doesn't have the automatic conversion of NTSC->PAL but if you use a SCART lead and set the output to RGB on the dvd player settings and also have an RGB compatible SCART socket on your PAL only TV, you will get both PAL and NTSC films displaying in colour on your TV. I believe RGB uses a different signal and that's why it works.

And it just so happened this was the same case with original Pioneer player, so i wasted all this time and money and the original player did it anyway sad.gif


apakhira
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Post Posted: Mar 10, 2004 01:01 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

But my PAL TV doesn't have SCART or RGB inputs.So i am asking, if i encoded the RGB signals of the DVD player into Standard Composite signal and then input it into my TV, will it work?

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Post Posted: Mar 10, 2004 03:24 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I can't see that working because the TV must need to be capable of receiving an RGB signal, which I wouldn't think your TV is.

Your only option is to get a player like the SVA D-2818 that's automatically converts the signal before it goes into your composite converter or buy a new TV.

My Yamada DVX-6600 (£70) has just arrived this morning and I'll be able to play all my Divx movies now as well smile.gif have a look here

http://www.digitalathome.com/


apakhira
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Post Posted: Mar 10, 2004 10:09 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

My TV isn't capable of receiving RGB signals.But i am talking about converting the RGB signals output by the DVD Player into PAL Composite signals.My TV supports Composite signals.Will that work?

BR87848
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Post Posted: Mar 11, 2004 04:28 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I'm not sure if that would work to be honest?

Looking at my Yamada DVX-6600 last night though, it has a button on the remote control where you can set the output to NTSC, PAL or MULTI. So if you bought this player you would be able to just connect your player to your composite converter and it should work.


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apakhira
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Post Posted: Mar 11, 2004 21:58 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

So, the Yamaha DVX-6600 supports NTSC-PAL/PAL-NTSC conversion?
Also, am i right to say that the Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer DVD players don't support this conversion?


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Post Posted: Mar 11, 2004 22:32 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

apakhira wrote:
So, the Yamaha DVX-6600 supports NTSC-PAL/PAL-NTSC conversion?
Also, am i right to say that the Sony, Panasonic and Pioneer DVD players don't support this conversion?

I've never heard of any SONY or PANASONIC models that do true PAL to NTSC conversions or vice versa.

Some PIONEER DVD players can do this but not all and here in the USA such models need a hardware hack to work that way which means you should buy it pre-modifed although some places might sell a hardware chip so you can do the mod yourself but that is a tricky thing to do unless you have some extensive electronics repair skills.

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apakhira
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Post Posted: Mar 12, 2004 09:32 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

FulciLives wrote:

I've never heard of any SONY or PANASONIC models that do true PAL to NTSC conversions or vice versa.


But in the DVDr Help DVD Player section on the left many users say that many of the Sony and Panasonic DVD Players support PAL-NTSC/NTSC-PAL conversion.Why is this so then?


BR87848
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Post Posted: Mar 12, 2004 10:57 Posts View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

I think this means it can read both NTSC and PAL discs but will output the signal as the same?

Tandy are selling the yamada now as well
and it mentions about the conversion


http://maplin.co.uk/products/module.asp?CartID=040312140837237&moduleno=-674


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Post Posted: Mar 12, 2004 13:39 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

BR87848 wrote:
I think this means it can read both NTSC and PAL discs but will output the signal as the same?

Correct some Panasonic players I know from experience can be made to play both NTSC and PAL but they will output without conversion.

Play a NTSC DVD and you get NTSC output.

Play a PAL DVD and you get PAL output.

So unless you have a multi-system TV this does you no good.

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Post Posted: Mar 12, 2004 14:19 Posts Comp View users profile Send private message Reply with quote

My $40 and $60 players do NTSC to PAL on the fly (and vice versa, but no PAL TV). Much much easier than dealing with a conversion. Heck, I have plenty of 'Best of' DVD's with mixed PAL/NTSC clips.
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