Sticky labels can screwup the playback of your DVDR's

lordsmurf · Posted: Dec 30, 2005 05:20

Remove the labels. I hear warm soapy water works well.
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Kingnog · Member Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Location: USA

The strangest part is that the labeled disks work fine at first. It's only after a month or so that mine start to have problems. However, removing the labels fixes it! It's the strangest thing I've experienced with disks.
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Peterdragin · Member Joined: 23 Oct 2004 Location: Michigan

Simple test to show you why sticky labels screw up discs. Stick the disc in your computer and run a scan test with nero, plextools , krobe or what ever you have loaded in your computer. when the test is done errors and all set the disc "label down" on your scanner glass and notice how far the center of the disc sticks up, (warped up in the center).
I have found that they STILL warp without labels but not enough to bother playback, it's because of the greater mass in the outer rim of the disc it expands more than the center.

Remove the labels with simple green cleaner, works great and removes the glue also. When you rinse the disc in warm water you end up with a squeaky clean disc, and it will play back without errors.

Cure the problem by printing on th dvd with printably discs. You can get refurbished R200's from epson for 59.00 with free shipping. I bought 2 of them in case one goes bad, that was a over a year ago.

The printers come out of indy so shipping in the midwest is 2 or 3 days.

phhoth · Member Joined: 19 Feb 2002

Apply the label before burning!!!! You will not have any problems.

Ally7 · Member Joined: 31 Mar 2004

I have never had any probs with labels and I use cheap ones with no manufacturers ID on them - glossy or matt. maybe it's the media - I have always used RITEC dyes (G04 /G05 - on Ridisk and Datawrite/Datasafe) and had no probs so far.

I test the DVD before I waste the label - is everyone that has a prob sure it's the label? - did it work before?

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Craig Tucker · Moderator Joined: 05 Apr 2001 Location: England

I know its a long thread but read some of our members posts, labels causing the problems are the only logical explination.

Personally I have performed the following test. Burned a disc played it with no problems.
Applied a label to that same disc - playback problems.
Removed label - disc plays fine again.
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winifreid · Member Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Location: United States

I have done the same test as Craig with the same results. Yes, media can make a differnce: bad media ia more susceptible to label problems. And putting a label on good media, but playing it in a bad player can also mean the video will not play, even if it plays in another, better player. So why take the chance? Either get a sharpie or use printable disks.

krupted · Member Joined: 21 Jan 2005

No epson R200's!! they are one of the worst peices of junk epson has created in years. it performs very similarly to my ancient epson stylus color 400. its horrible and the cd tray function only works if you help it with your hand. it gets very annoying to print discs with the epsons.

why not get a real printer and buy a canon pixma. a pixma ip5000 is one of the best budget printers ever, and its the last model to use the cheap non-chipped ink carts. one picolitre dot size, the results are outstanding. And the cd printing feature is so much better then epsons. it works without help, and its 4x quicker. For all of us americans, just go to ebay and buy a cd tray, enable cd mode on the printer and print your discs. this works for ANY pixma series printer.

I went to office depot the other day and bought a ip5200. on ebay i found a cd tray, and it took less then a minute to change the service settings on the printer for it to work with cd's. big thanks to canon for after-all not crippling their printers. instructions here-http://pixma.web1000.com/

impmon2 · Member Joined: 31 Jan 2002 Location: United States

For discs that I pass out to other people (no copyright issue here all are personal not commercial) I've used the sticky labels with no problem. Just as long as the labels are properly centered and you didn't use the cheap stuff the label should have little to no effect on most DVD players. Cheap label might have uneven distribution of the pulp or glue or may shrink or warp as it ages caising imbalance.

For personal discs though I don't use label I use a sharpie pen.

The very same pen that ruined Sony's multi-million CD protection scheme.

lawnman · Member Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Location: United States

pochrist · Member Joined: 18 Dec 2001

I'll add my 2 cents as I was just brought up to date as to the Label issue and it solved my problem with a number DVDr's in my collection.

I believe 2 factors are at play when then DVDr skips with the labels applied.

Its the player (I can't tell you how many post I saw that said "I have million of DVDrs labeled and none them skip")

Its the Labels (This to me is 90% of the problem)

I Had a Apex AD-1500 and it was the player "I cut my teeth on" I could it seemed I would really have to screw up for this player not to play back my disks smoothly. But is has since passed on and last year I got a Pioneer DV-270. All was well and then suddenly my movies were skipping and stopping. I would re-burn and re-label. I found only recently about this label issue after I just purchsed a Yamaha DVD S550 and the problems would start to accur again but not on all the disks.

I know remember one thing that contributed to the problem, right after I got the Pioneer I ran out of the Avery labels that I normally used and I picked a 100pack of CDStomp, I rember after opening them up noticeing that they are thicker the Avery labels.

Last night I removed Labels of a Bunch of my "BAD" DVD-rs and can confirm the problem is gone. (for me atleast)

I believe the labels and the Player contribute to the problem, but more so the labels. I thank the kind sole who PM'd me and pointed me in the right direction.

SingSing · Member Joined: 30 Apr 2001 Location: U.S.A.

I used Neato label. There are three types of label on the same sheet : Full CD/DVD label, Small hub label, and spine label.

So far, some of those DVDs with Full DVD label do skip at the end of the movie. Those with small hub/ring label so far are still fine, but I won't bet on it.

I have been looking for a inkjet printer for DVD printing, but their graphics are kind of awful, or their ink won't work with normal DVD surface.

Is there a type or brand of label that don't cause problems, or is there a CD/DVD printer really nice and work ?

I read this "I use the Canon i865. It prints DVD/CD's to a fantastic quality, and comes with all the trays etc you need." How is this printer/ink combination on regular DVD ?

RabidDog · Old B. Joined: 25 Oct 2002 Location: UK

NOne of the existing "consumer" level printers will work with ordinary DVD's . They have to be inkjet printable or thermal printable blanks. You could also look at Lightscribe and labelflash drives and media (agin both special) . IMO matte white inkjet printables is the best solution, until the new "rainbow-burn" HD-DVD drives and media arrive.
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ShadowrazoR · Member Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Location: Behind you

i use markers to write on my discs. would that be dangerous?

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SingSing · Member Joined: 30 Apr 2001 Location: U.S.A.

paper labels look nice, if it interferes with the chemical and the balance of the disc. Then maybe the smaller core labels can avoid the pitfall, since it is on the opposite side that has no CD/DVD coating, and its mass is only 9.8% of the full label. They also cost less per disc.

Craig Tucker · Moderator Joined: 05 Apr 2001 Location: England

The writable layer is in the middle of the disc sandwiched between polycarbonate layers there is no way it could be a chemical effect. It is either warping of the disc caused by the label or balancing issues.
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SingSing · Member Joined: 30 Apr 2001 Location: U.S.A.

It is the common expereince that DVD read back issue happened at the outer radius of the disc. DVD players do 1X DVD read back which is CAV ( Constant Angular Velocity ). If the assumption that the bits per track, and the track width is the same, then the outer track suppose to be easier to read back. But we know that is not true. Does this has to do that DVD is mostly written in CLV ( Constant Linear velocity )? It may be another non/linear tracking issue like record player and record cutter.

By weight, a blank disc weighs 0.55 oz, and a full label weighs 0.05 oz at about 10%. Is this enough to unbalance the play back in a player ?

So far, like everybody else, I was looking for a pleasing way to identify the 100 disc. Marker is not for me. So far, the core labels have not cause me problem yet. I am looking to swap experince with others.

The 10 or so discs that I have problem with, are mostly after 2 years or so. So it can be the discs themselves, or the label, or both. But with 100s burn disc on hand, and 100s more to go. We better find a solution soon.

Craig Tucker · Moderator Joined: 05 Apr 2001 Location: England

Printable discs and an inkjet disc printer is the way to go.
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SingSing · Member Joined: 30 Apr 2001 Location: U.S.A.

This is a message box from Sonic label maker.

Craig Tucker · Moderator Joined: 05 Apr 2001 Location: England

Interesting, its only taken 3 1/2 years since the start of this thread to see an official warning like that

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Professor HD · Member Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: United States

Have you folks checked out HP CD/DVD Tattoos. They are at www.hp.com/go/tattoos. They are polycarbonate rather than paper based labels and should have much better reliability.

Horatio Hornblower · Member Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Location: United States

Printable disks rule. Use a Canon printer with a Disc Dabber Tray. Take a look at www.cd-trays.com It looks like it addresses every concern, including cost, speed, reliability, full color, etc.

(The link is now fixed. Many thanks, winifreid, for pointing out the problem.)

winifreid · Member Joined: 20 Sep 2003 Location: United States

Your link is broke. Anyway, it is easy to make your own. I've been printing on my canon 3000 for over a year with a tray I made out of a cereal box.

SingSing · Member Joined: 30 Apr 2001 Location: U.S.A.