Sticky labels can screwup the playback of your DVDR's

engelm · Member Joined: 17 Dec 2004

After reviewing this thread and some others like it I decided to do a little research. I use Fuji DVD+R disks. The package states DO NOT apply labels to either side of the disk. It also states that only oil based pens should be used to label the disk. Alcohol should never be used on the disk. I have always used Sharpie permanent markers. Those markers are alcohol based ink. That might explain why my disks begin to fail after a couple of years of use. I checked the Sharpie web site and found that they make oil based markers, "Sharpie Paint Markers". My take on all this. Follow the manufactures guidlines and used oil based markers instead of alcohol.

mpack · Member Joined: 09 Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom

lordsmurf · Posted: Dec 20, 2004 12:25

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dudeman316 · Member Joined: 26 Dec 2002 Location: Up Soon!

there are quite a few places that have good printable discs. Shop4tech, Rima, & American-digital are a few I have shopped from.
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akagi · Member Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: ENGLAND

I have done my own experiment with Labels. I burnt a series of small MPEG 1 files onto a DVD. Granted this DVD+R was not of the highest quality being a BulkHQ disk but having done the burn I had absolutely no read errors doing a full surface scan with DVDINFOPRO. I then used a label on the disk placing such as centrally as it was possible to do. Now I would emphasise here that there was a LIMITED amount of ink actually on the label with such only reading 'DISK ONE' in two locations, nothing more, for identification purposes only.

I then IMMEDIATELY reused DVDINFOPRO to carry out a surface scan. (I emphasise the 'immediately' caveat as there would not have been chance for any glue/ink to dye contamination). Doing this then showed read errors. However then going back to play some of these MPEG1 files did not create issues despite the fact one would think it would.

In conclusion my take on things is that applying a label unbalances the disk, not excessively so, but enough that if the disk has to remain running, such as if a movie in a DVD Player is being watched or a surface scan being run, the vibrations build up and up (through resonance) until they create read problems. However, if smaller files such as my MPEG1's above are played or copied across to the PC the issue does not occur - the disk slows down before the vibrations build up to the critical point.

If it is resonance this would explain why some people are having problems with DVD's and other aren't. Some might be working with data so they have a stop start read profile whilst others aren't. More importantly this resonance build up is HIGHLY environment dictated - if the distance between the disk surface say and the loading tray (the nearest relecting object) is of just the right distance such that any vibration is reflected back and amplified (what resonance is) then the critical point will be reached very quickly. If however the distance is such that the vibration is cancelled out by the reflection back then the critical point may never be reached.

For anybody who is having label issues then it makes sense to try a different DVD player if they can or alternatively try a slightly different bit rate (for movies) such that the disk speed is slightly different (meaning a different vibration amplitude) which might stop this vibration build up.

It might not be inks, glues, label type or whatever but a function of pure luck. For my part, recognising the above, I stopped using labels on my DVD movies but would think they should be ok on data DVD's.

Just my thoughts.

Bubblevision · Member Joined: 17 Jul 2002 Location: Phuket, Thailand

I'm printing my Ritek G04 printables on my Epson R210 and then I lacquer with Pressit Sprayfix. It makes a nice job but I don't know just how waterproof and robust they are afterwards. I'm going to try with bog-standard acrylic lacquer from the hardware shop too.
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monkeyking · Member Joined: 25 Nov 2004

No more labels here. Disks I labelled last summer are now showing jitter. I can't read data backup disks reliably. For data, I always re-read them right after burning, so I knew the burns were good.

When I look at the disks, most are bowed concave toward the label. Removing the labels fixed everything. They also were flat again.

dewaynespaw · Member Joined: 29 Jan 2005 Location: Nashville, Tennessee

I was having trouble at first with labeled DVD'S, but I bought a new DVD burner and I haven't had a problem since. I use the Memorex high gloss labels and the image covers the entire label and they look absolutely professional. It's hard to tell it is a label The only difference I see is my DVD-R's are only 20 minutes of music videos that I send out to fair committees and potential clients. I have not had any of my clients complain so far about DVD-R's I have sent them not working.

How much does a good printable DVD-R run for an inkjet printer. I know the printable CD/DVD printers (Epson is the only brand of printer I will use) start at about $100.00. Just wondering if it would be worth the change. A friend of mine sent a printable CD to me and I have to say it looked terrible. That could be the printer he was using too. Anyone have any suggestions on media types.

Bodyslide · Posted: Feb 02, 2005 15:41

Not to threadjack:
The epson 200 prints dvd's and cd's very well. It all depends on what the original image is you are using. If the image is a low quality image it will llok bad. Here is also a link to a CIS system for the Epson 200 that will save money on ink.
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241206

Xylob the Destroyer · Melkor Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Location: Earth, for now

i used to make labels for all of my DVD's, but i don't do it anymore
i didn't stop because it was causing problems tho...
i just got lazy
i now use a Sharpie to label my DVD's

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pixiemom · Member Joined: 18 Feb 2005

Hi everyone,
I'm glad I haven't yet created & labelled any DVDs yet - that was going to start happening in a few weeks after I upgrade my computer and install the DVD recorder drive! But I do have a lot of CDs with labels. So far I haven't noticed any problems, but I haven't checked the oldest ones yet.

My question is - for those of you with an Epson R200 or R300 - would it be possible to use Durabrite (pigment) ink instead of regular Dye ink? Durabrite ink is waterproof and would completely eliminate the smudge problem, from what I understand. It's supposed to be used in the C80-series and the Pixma series, but I don't know.... are the engines similar enough that one could substitute Durabrite ink in the R200/300?

I have an Epson R200 (still in tne box, waiting for me to get either a CIS or refillable cartridges), and planned on printing my future CDs and DVDs with it, but I would be interested in some ideas on how to keep the ink from smudging.

digitalwiz · Member Joined: 06 Aug 2003

I have 25 DVD with full label printed in a inkjet printer... i can't read in any dvd drive or player i tried. DVD maxell, label Fellowes Neato. I peel off 1 label from the dvd to see if this can work but no, it's remain with the same problem... Can you help me? ah the dvd's was recorded like 18 months ago with a Panasonic DMR-E20

rebarlow · Member Joined: 24 Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA

Two words:

Hub Labels
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BCAESE · Member Joined: 24 Jun 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada

After doing an intense test the majority are right DO NOT PUT LABELS ON YOUR DVDRS!!
Especially if you movie takes up 4GB! If you moive is 2-3 GB you will be safe.

After my testing I found out it has to do with HEAT and TIME in your DVD player. If you play a 4GB DVD with a label it will almost always skip near the end.

However ther has been some cases were it didn't but you are gambling.
(this will only work if your DVD s are not printable and it also depends on your player). I have had 40% sucess with this method I have 5 different players. Play fine on 2/5 players.

Do Not put a labels on Printable DVDRs!! 100% of the time it will skip near the end if the movie is 4GB. The heat from you player heats up the DVD too much because of the label and fact that it is printable.

100% success with no label 5/5!

The people that are having sucess are probably not playing movies over 4GB this is why. The problem starts near the edges of the disc. TIME,Heat and Weight.

fritzi93 · Member Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Location: U.S.

mdw46 · Member Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Location: Long Island

I started out using avery label's, Then after being stored in a binder for a few months my dvd's started freezing..I tried using 3 different standalone players and still had the freezeup problem.I was suggested that i try removing the labels which i did.The disk's played with no problem !!!!
Mabe it was the avery paper,Who know's..I mark them with a sharpie marker now !!!!!

mdw46 · Member Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Location: Long Island

I have also read that in time moisture get's under the label's

Gritz · Member Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: United States

BCAESE wrote:

cd090580 · Member Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: Belgium

Just one question about the labels.

Why when a label is put on a dvd, the playback become jerky ?

in computer, that makes CRC errors, on TV a lot of green mpg blocks.

does the label alter the reflexive properties ? weigthens the dvd too much ? the disk is no more centered ? or other things ?

thanks.
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ALBERT1 · Member Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Location: WV

SureThing Hub Labels, 520 quantity, $9.95 at LabelGear.com

I ordered the above labels and the kit to see if and/or how well they may work.

From everything I have researched independently and read in these posts, it seems reasonable that Hub Labels would be the safest way to go.
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Gritz · Member Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: United States

One explanation given was that the DVD tracks are so fine that any (even slight) out of balance condition causes erratic video at the outer edges where the speed picks up. Sounds reasonable .... and I've has so much trouble with paper labels that I ended up buying an Epson R300. Prints beautifully but after about 200 DVDs it fails to feed reliably. You can diddle around with it and make it feed ... but it's a pain in the arse!
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87gator · Member Joined: 31 Mar 2005 Location: North Carolina, USA

Well I think I have verified that this is indeed a heat related problem whereby the label expands at a different rate than the disc causing the disc to flex. This would explain why the errors tend to occur toward the end of viewing, are random in nature, and why some players play (heat less) better than others. I've found that you can remedy the problem by putting the disc in the freezer for a short period of time (~1min) and then resume the movie. Next, I'm going to see if I can avoid the problem altogether by storing my discs in the freezer ;^)

espaeth · Member Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN

Edit: Re-read thread -- removed obviously flawed observation.