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    Hello everyone,
    Is there an Internal CD / DVD / Blu-Ray / 4K Blu-Ray player & burner for PC?

    I have a superb LG Model: LG BH14NS40 14X SATA Blu-ray BDXL Internal Rewriter.


    I contacted the LG factory technician and he said it will not play 4K blu-Ray movie disks ..........and they do not know of an internal player that does.
    But they were told by the LG engineers that there will be one available - soon.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks one and all.
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  2. Pioneer has announced such drives.
    http://pioneer.jp/corp/news/press/index/2064

    But: there is still no software to play or otherwise use UltraHD Blu-ray for the PC (new PowerDVD has been announced, though). So I'd recommend to just sit back and wait for now.
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    You are right. I will just wait.

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    Additional hardware and software requirements:

    1. 4k monitor or TV with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2
    2. Windows 10
    3. 6GB RAM
    4. A Kaby Lake Core i5 or a Kaby Lake Core i7.
    5. HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on the motherboard because the drives will use the integrated Intel HD Graphics 630 GPU of the Intel Core processors for Ultra HD Blu-ray content. HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on the motherboard is uncommon because it is not native to Kaby Lake. It requires the addition of an LSPCON (level shifter protocol converter) on the motherboard.
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    Thanks for the info.

    Lets see:
    1. 4k monitor or TV with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 I have a Display Port. I have HDMI - not HDMI 2.0a

    2. Windows 10 Have this

    3. 6GB RAM Have this

    4. A Kaby Lake Core i5 or a Kaby Lake Core i7. I have INTEL Core i7 4770 Haswell Quad-Core.3.4GHz. Is this OK?

    5. HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on the motherboard because the drives will use the integrated Intel HD Graphics 630 GPU of the Intel Core processors for Ultra HD Blu-ray content. HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on the motherboard is uncommon because it is not native to Kaby Lake. It requires the addition of an LSPCON (level shifter protocol converter) on the motherboard.
    I do not have this. Could you give me examples of this motherboard? Where do I get a LSPCON?
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  6. Originally Posted by andy jackson View Post
    4. A Kaby Lake Core i5 or a Kaby Lake Core i7. I have INTEL Core i7 4770 Haswell Quad-Core.3.4GHz. Is this OK?
    No. It's about DRM. Raw CPU power can't make up for that. An add-in GPU card may be useful in the future but we don't know yet. For example Netflix 4K only runs on Kaby Lake GPU, not even Nvidia Pascal. Nvidia says new certified drivers and a Windows 10 update are needed but no yet available. So the same may be true for UltraHD Blu-ray.
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    Originally Posted by andy jackson View Post
    5. HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on the motherboard because the drives will use the integrated Intel HD Graphics 630 GPU of the Intel Core processors for Ultra HD Blu-ray content. HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on the motherboard is uncommon because it is not native to Kaby Lake. It requires the addition of an LSPCON (level shifter protocol converter) on the motherboard.
    I do not have this. Could you give me examples of this motherboard? Where do I get a LSPCON?
    There are some Z170 and Z270 series motherboards available which have the necessary HDMI connection, but as Sneaker wrote, only a Kaby Lake CPU supports the necessary DRM. Even a Skylake CPU isn't enough.

    Current motherboards which are supposed to have HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2:
    ASRock Fatal1ty Z270 GAMING-ITX/AC
    Biostar Z270GT9
    Biostar Z270GT8
    Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 9
    Gigiabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 8

    There may be others, but I haven't found them yet.

    You cannot add an LSPCON to a motherboard yourself. It must be built in by the manufacturer. ...nor will a Displayport 1.2 to HDMI 2.0a converter provide HDCP 2.2, because DisplayPort 1.2 doesn't support HDCP 2.2.
    Last edited by usually_quiet; 16th Feb 2017 at 12:23. Reason: Added more 200 series chip set motherboards to the list
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    [QUOTE=usually_quiet;2477095]
    Originally Posted by andy jackson View Post
    but as Sneaker wrote, only a Kaby Lake CPU supports the necessary DRM. Even a Skylake CPU isn't enough.
    "In order to play Ultra HD Blu-ray discs, users are required to run Windows 10 on a PC with at least 6GB RAM and either a Core i5 or Core i7 of the Kaby Lake (7th) generation. The drives will use the integrated Intel HD Graphics 630 GPU of the Intel Core processors for Ultra HD Blu-ray content."

    What ?
    Cutting out AMD (CPU/GPU) and Nvidia (GPU) ?
    Pioneer can take the biggest running jump in the lake that they can imagine managing.
    Only a deperado would really accept so much lockin ?
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    Originally Posted by hydra3333 View Post
    Originally Posted by usually_quiet View Post
    but as Sneaker wrote, only a Kaby Lake CPU supports the necessary DRM. Even a Skylake CPU isn't enough.
    "In order to play Ultra HD Blu-ray discs, users are required to run Windows 10 on a PC with at least 6GB RAM and either a Core i5 or Core i7 of the Kaby Lake (7th) generation. The drives will use the integrated Intel HD Graphics 630 GPU of the Intel Core processors for Ultra HD Blu-ray content."

    What ?
    Cutting out AMD (CPU/GPU) and Nvidia (GPU) ?
    Pioneer can take the biggest running jump in the lake that they can imagine managing.
    Only a deperado would really accept so much lockin ?
    Any PC UHD Blu-ray drive will have the same hardware and software requirements. They are undoubtedly a condition for getting the drive licensed.

    [Edit] Zen APUs won't be released until even later in the year. It is too soon to rule them out. Ryzen hasn't been released yet, either, so it is too soon to rule out a combination of a Ryzen CPU and a certified discrete graphics card. (The latest discrete graphics cards from AMD and NVIDIA haven't been totally ruled out yet. They have appropriate connections. The latest AMD and NVIDIA cards might just need new Windows 10 drivers.)
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    Originally Posted by andy jackson View Post
    1. 4k monitor or TV with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 I have a Display Port. I have HDMI - not HDMI 2.0a
    I neglected to go into sufficient detail on this. I don't think DisplayPort is a viable option yet.

    As I mentioned, DisplayPort 1.2 does not support HDCP 2.2. Intel graphics for Haswell, Skylake, and Kaby Lake only support DisplayPort 1.2. DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 do include HDCP 2.2 support. DisplayPort 1.3 is only available on the newest AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards, but as already mentioned, these cards have not yet been certified for Netflix 4K or UHD Blu-ray.

    Last year I read that various companies are working on DisplayPort 1.3 monitors, but I haven't found one yet. I don't know if there are any new UHD TVs with DisplayPort 1.3. DisplayPort connections on a TV are uncommon.

    New 4K/UHD TVs do have HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 compliant connections. There are also some new 4K/UHD monitors with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 support.
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    I already posted a list of the requirements for UHD playback on a PC:

    http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/379959-UHD-BD-Authoring-Tool?post#53
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  12. You list Intel SGX as required but I wouldn't be too sure of it. Netflix 4K on Windows only runs on Kaby Lake but it works even when SGX is turned off/not supported. So it might be the same for UltraHD Blu-ray.
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    Originally Posted by sneaker View Post
    You list Intel SGX as required but I wouldn't be too sure of it. Netflix 4K on Windows only runs on Kaby Lake but it works even when SGX is turned off/not supported. So it might be the same for UltraHD Blu-ray.
    Did you seriously equate streaming with UHD BDs? smh
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  14. I did because Netflix 4K PC requirements where unlike anything we've seen before and seemed similar to the UltraHD Blu-ray ones. But now I see the Pioneer announcement really does mention SGX. I'll wait and see...
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    wait and see is right, still waiting on a sw player....
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    CyberLink PowerDVD has been already certified by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) for playback of Ultra HD Blu-ray. Cyberlink has been releasing a new version of PowerDVD in April for the past few years, so it is likely the version of PowerDVD with UHD Blu-ray support will be released in April, or at least some time this spring.

    The Pioneer UHD Blu-ray drives are supposed to be released in Japan at the end of February. There is no mention of a release date for other countries in any article I have read about them so far. The PC World article I read about them stated that they (the drives made for Japanese market) will only work with the Japanese edition of Windows 10, which means importing one from Japan won't do most of those outside of Japan any good. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3162004/windows/pioneer-reveals-the-first-4k-blu-ray-dr...s-for-pcs.html
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    Does anyone know if the new AMD Ryzen are going to support UHD playback the same as Kabylake
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  18. Not known. As discussed above Intel SGX has been mentioned as a possible requirement. And unlike Kaby Lake, Ryzen has no GPU.
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    Originally Posted by isapc View Post
    Does anyone know if the new AMD Ryzen are going to support UHD playback the same as Kabylake
    As far as I know, they have not been tested for compliance yet.

    Zen doesn't support SGX. AMD invented their own set of instructions, which would need to be approved. Also the Kaby Lake CPUs that were approved have integrated graphics. The about to be released Ryzen CPUs apparently need a discrete graphics card or graphics supplied by chips on the motherboard. If integrated graphics are a specific requirement, the Zen APUs aren't supposed to come out until the second half of 2017.

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