Well sony vegas seams to have a few sizes for PAL
When creating an avi, i have normal PAL and PAL widescreen
When i create a mpg2 i have only one PAL version
When i play them using VLC, the file info seams to be the same amount of pixels.
Yet on shows as widescreen, and the other more square like.
Now my goal is to create a DVD that can be played in a general DVD player for a television, not a computer.
So i think should be saved as vob files, a format i didnt see inside vegas hmmm.
I will be recording a music band (a few gopro black fixed position + canon60d for zoom work)
The band wants to have a DVD of their live act.
Their wish is a HD dvd, but as far i can tell 720x576 is the max for a general DVD ?, only with bleuray one could go higher
It must be a dvd that would work on all players, so people who buy their dvd wont start complaining about its not working for their dvd.
Well I will be recording in a higher res as 720x576 (i'll record at 1080p / 720p)
Can someone help me to what format i should save, or maybe use something else (virtualdub / or other codecs )
A thing i often do is edit in vegas - save uncrompessed - and then virtualdub tuning, but at some point i need to go to .vob i guess ???
Also am i right about 720x576 here, or is there a general HD format for DVD that is commonly accepted amongst DVD players ?
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720x576 is pretty much all you can choose for DVD, and any commercial DVD authoring will flag it as interlace. I say that , because your source is perhaps progressive.
Go uncompressed or lossless all the way , until you load it into dvd authoring or some mpeg2 encoder. Then you choose 16:9 in that DVD authoring. Assuming you work with 25p. Because if your original is 50p, I guess the way to go is to fix your picture all the way as 50p, and only while encoding to DVD with dvd authoring (or something else) video should be changed to 25i. -
@_Al_,
That's a little simplified. DVD supports the following PAL "sizes":
720 x 576, 16:9 DAR
720 x576, 4:3 DAR
704 x 576, 16:9 DAR
704 x 576, 4:3 DAR
352 x 576, 4:3 DAR
352 x 288, 4:3 DAR
@Razorblade,
What to go with depends ALOT on what you're starting with (in the camera). In the interim, during editing, you could either stay with the codec type & resolution of your cam originals, assuming your NLE has "Smart Rendering", or you can upconvert it to Uncompressed, Losslessly-Compressed, or (Lightly) Lossy-Compressed (hopefully using a codec and at a rate that makes it equivalent to lossless quality). Stay in HD for as long as you can, and then only when ready to make a DVD (with the finished HD master) do you downconvert (at the same time as you encode to MPEG2, saving a step & generation loss). You need to set your DAR when encoding (and ALSO when authoring).
DVD only shows 25i (or 29.97i in NTSC projects). You can "fake" 25p by using co-timed fields (and also flag it as "progressive"). In the right player, it could even play correctly as 25p. If you have 50p, you will have to do an interlace during your downconvert step. BTW, I would recommend you go from 50p->25i, not 50p->25p (loss of temporal resolution is probably more noticeable at that point). If you are recording in cam with 720p, that is sure to be 720p50 (PAL lands) or 720p60 (NTSC lands). The term "1080p" could mean 25p or 50p, depending upon the manufacturer's BS factors.
Always better to start from a HIGHER quality and go DOWN, than to have to try to go UP from a LOWER quality (or often, even starting from a lower quality and staying there) - it shows.
Scott -
if you do not need menu, you can make progressive m2v video (25p) and AC3 audio and muxman will produce VIDEO_TS:
Code:MuxMan.exe "project.mxp" -d "c:\DVD_folder" -l "muxman.log" -run
(you just replace File=C:\temp\out.m2v and File=C:\temp\out.ac3 with proper stream name and path)
Code:Section=Settings { Destination Folder= Item=Palette { Name=DefaultPalette Color 0=0,0,0 Color 1=255,0,0 Color 2=0,255,0 Color 3=255,0,0 Color 4=0,255,0 Color 5=0,0,0 Color 6=0,0,0 Color 7=0,0,0 Color 8=0,0,0 Color 9=0,0,0 Color 10=0,0,0 Color 11=0,0,0 Color 12=0,0,0 Color 13=0,0,0 Color 14=0,0,0 Color 15=0,0,0 } } Section=Content { Item=Segment { Name=Segment_1 Display Mode=16:9 Item=Video Stream { Item=Video Play { File=C:\temp\out.m2v Duration=Actual } } Item=Audio Stream { Stream Number=1 Language=en Language Extension=1 Item=Audio Play { File=C:\temp\out.ac3 } } Item=Scene List { Item=Scene { Name=Segment_1_scn1 Scene Time=00:00:00:0 Uop=0 } } } } Section=Navigation { Item=First PGC { Name=FP Menu ID=No Menu Uop=00000000 PG Playback Mode=Sequential Playback Repeat Times=0 PGC Still Time=0 Palette=DefaultPalette Item=Pre Commands { Mov GPRM0, 1 JumpSS TitleMenu } Item=Post Commands { } Item=Cell Commands { } Item=Program List { } } Item=VMG { Item=Language { Name=VMGM Language=en Item=PGC { Name=MainMenu Menu ID=Title Menu Uop=000C03E3 Next PGC= GoUp PGC= PG Playback Mode=Sequential Playback Repeat Times=0 PGC Still Time=0 Palette=DefaultPalette Item=Pre Commands { Mov GPRM1, 1 if ( GPRM0 == GPRM1 ) JumpTT TitleSet1_Title1 Mov GPRM1, 2 if ( GPRM0 == GPRM1 ) Exit } Item=Post Commands { } Item=Cell Commands { } Item=Program List { } } Item=PGC { Name=MainJumpPGC1 Menu ID=No Menu Uop=000C03E3 Next PGC= GoUp PGC= PG Playback Mode=Sequential Playback Repeat Times=0 PGC Still Time=0 Palette=DefaultPalette Item=Pre Commands { Mov GPRM2, 1 if ( GPRM1 == GPRM2 ) JumpTT TitleSet1_Title1 Mov GPRM2, 2 if ( GPRM1 == GPRM2 ) LinkPGCN MainMenu } Item=Post Commands { LinkPGCN MainMenu } Item=Cell Commands { } Item=Program List { } } } } Item=VTS01 { Item=Language { Name=TitleSet1M Language=en Item=PGC { Name=TitleSet1Menu Menu ID=Root Menu Uop=000C03E3 Next PGC= GoUp PGC= PG Playback Mode=Sequential Playback Repeat Times=0 PGC Still Time=0 Palette=DefaultPalette Item=Pre Commands { JumpVTS_TT TitleSet1_Title1 } Item=Post Commands { } Item=Cell Commands { } Item=Program List { } } } Item=Title { Name=TitleSet1_Title1 Uop=0 Item=PGC { Name=TitleSet1_Title1_PGC1 Menu ID=Title Entry Uop=0 Next PGC= Prev PGC= GoUp PGC= PG Playback Mode=Sequential Playback Repeat Times=0 PGC Still Time=0 Palette=DefaultPalette Item=Pre Commands { } Item=Post Commands { Mov GPRM0, 2 CallSS RSM=1, TitleMenu } Item=Cell Commands { } Item=Program List { Item=Program { Name=TitleSet1_Title1_chapter1 Item=Cell { Name=TitleSet1_Title1_cell1 Linked Scene=Segment_1_scn1 Command= Cell Still Time=0 VOBU Still Flag=False Access Restriction Flag=Permitted Cell Type=0 Seamless Flag = Default } } } } Item=Part of Title List { Item=TitleSet1_Title1_chapter1 } } } }
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Ok interesting and thanks
Now with the canon 60d i will shoot 25p [1920x1080]
It can also do 720p at 50 frames/sec but thats not good in lower light conditions.
I will go for 25p manual lightning and using 180degree rule for shutter speed... oh in simple thats 1/50 sec with 25frames a sec.
As i shoot at 25p do i need todo something to make it 25i (i for inter latched i assume)
Should i do something special as i read about 25i and 25p ?
I'm also using magic lantern on the canon (but not on the gopro ofcourse) but as far as i know it cant do 25p>25i
For the go pro's here3 black i dont know yet i'm still waiting on delivery.Last edited by Razorblade; 6th Jun 2014 at 14:44.
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No. Progressive content is easily encoded as interlaced for PAL DVD. Just set up the encoder for interlaced encoding. You don't actually have to interlace the video. However, personally, if I were in a PAL country I'd encode it as progressive. Your DVD player should play it with no problems at all.
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Just heads up. If you load progressive mpeg2 , but otherwise all by DVD specs, most commercial DVD authoring software will not accept that and that DVD authoring will insist on trying to re-encode it again to interlace.
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Maybe you should say 'some'? I just tested progressive 25 PAL DVD video with Muxman and it accepted it with no problem. And it's very strict.
General
Complete name : F:\Sholay DVD1\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 218 MiB
Duration : 5mn 31s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 5 501 Kbps
Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Duration : 5mn 31s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 943 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 9 500 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.477
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 196 MiB (90%)
Audio
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 5mn 31s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Channel positions : Front: C
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -8ms
Stream size : 17.7 MiB (8%)
As you know, authoring isn't encoding. If the authoring program also has an encoder built in and if it insists on reencoding, use a different authoring program. One like Muxman. And I daresay you'll find very few if any PAL DVD players that won't play it. Me, I'd be much more worried about a flag-reading PAL DVD player deinterlacing an already progressive but encoded as interlaced stream and degrading the video quality. -
I posted 25p example with muxman that it works with 25p above also, I used it many times, I posted example also, I do not regard Muxman as commercial software, but whatever ... DVD muxed with muxman, using progressive m2v, played in anything I encountered (or others) ... I simplified process of making DVD using script, using muxman.
I was simply warning op, because he might very well encode progressive 25p mpeg2 and load it into DVD Architect (or Encore) to find out that that program will not let it go through. So the solution is just to load that uncompressed video and let that authoring to encode the video. I am concerned as well to make DVD with progressive content having interlace flag, but what do you do, it supposedly goes on screen well. Also someone might get mpeg2 out of that DVD and possibly be deinterlacing already progressive content ... So that is why my heads up remark. Maybe avs2dvd would make progressive DVD with menu , op most probably wants menu, authoring progressive content. Is it using muxman? I was getting that muxman project out of some free DVD authoring, but I do not remember now what it was, avs2dvd or DVD author, not sure ... -
Maybe you should as its muxing engine is as good or better than anything out there, including Scenarist's. And since the Pro version costs money, strictly speaking it is commercial. And if you've tested progressively-encoded video for PAL DVD in different DVD players and not found any problems, then we're in agreement.
I don't know DVD Architect but I wouldn't hold up Adobe Encore as a good example of an authoring program as Encore is notorious for refusing to author some DVD-compliant streams.
So the solution is just to load that uncompressed video and let that authoring to encode the video.
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I'm pretty sure DVD Architect CAN do progressive clips w/o re-encoding, it just has to be set up correctly (sorry, running some high-priority encodes this weekend, cannot take the time out to check).
I agree, much better to use and encoder to do the encoding, and an authoring app to just do the authoring. But "better" is in the eye of the beholder, so YMMMV.
Scott -
I just tried DVD Architect 5.2 and you are right, it allowed to make DVD without re-encoding progressive m2v video encoded in HcEncoder. Maybe I tested older versions before or some broken versions or I did something wrong, it seems to accept those m2v videos, I guess I made too much fuss about nothing ...