I ran cccleaner the other day because I couldn't completely get rid of my printer driver and software and it totally screwed up my browser which had taken me a lot of time to get to get just the way that I wanted it. It deleted all of my extensions (in Chrome and Firefox) and got rid of all my personal settings. I tried replacing my profile with a backup that I had but that didn't work (maybe a little) and I restored my computer to last Wednesday which was a day before I ran cccleaner but that didn't fix my problems. I've got Chrome almost back to where I had it but I can't get rid of this page...
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Maybe someone could explain it to me, because when I tried it (which was admittedly a year or so ago) I initially quite disliked Chrome, and after using it for a while I disliked it some more. I know it's probably the most used browser these days but..... what's the attraction? (for the record I currently use Firefox).
Google Chrome has been the new Internet Explorer 4/5/6
Chromium says it doesn't contain Google's spyware, BUT it uses the same dumbed-down interface as Chrome
Probably the FOSS developers are too lazy to create a decent GUI for the Webkit/Blink engine -.-
Last edited by El Heggunte; 4th Mar 2014 at 11:40. Reason: : - /
Chrome runs in a sandbox and provided more useful space for viewing the webpage than Firefox. Since I don't care about the kind of data Google collects and I didn't use any Firefox plugins, dropping Firefox in favor of Chrome was an easy decision to make.
The first extension looked good but it did not work... Hide Most Visited Places.
The second one works but it gives me a blank page which is OK I guess since I always used About Blank in IE6... Blank New Tab.
I'm not sure that it was even an extension that I had or just text added to the Chrome Shortcut to make the page always open a certain way. I just got used to the normal Google page opening when I clicked the shortcut which was good since I use Google a lot and both gmail and wildblue are accessed from the Google start page. I keep a shortcut to Google in my Links folder on the Bookmarks Bar so it's not a big deal. Just one more click.
Hmmmm. Now I'm certain that it was text added to the shortcut in my quick launch bar because when I use the shortcut in my Links folder, the normal Google page opens (not one with speed dial). The first window opens correctly from the quick launch bar but the second window opens with the last visited pages when not using the extension. I just can't remember what the text was to get Chrome to always open a new window with Google as my home page.
Each to their own but I couldn't bare the thought of not being able to use extensions and Chrome definitely didn't have a TabMixPlus equivalent when I tried it. An inch or so of extra web page the screen surely isn't why so many have switched browsers, is it? I'm just curious as to why it's so popular.
I don't see why some people want to continue living in the year 2006 when its 2014, either, but I guess some do.
[Edit]I just remembered about the time I read that a few Firefox add-ons were removed from the repository for being infected with malware, and being glad I didn't use any. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/05/malicious_firefox_extensions/
Last edited by usually_quiet; 4th Mar 2014 at 19:43.
So we've established Chrome provides an extra inch of screen real estate that for some reason can't be compensated for by running the browser full screen, hiding the menu bar or using the scrollbar etc (although since Firefox dropped the status bar they look pretty similar in that department to me), we've learned it's 2014 (better rush out and buy Win8 using that reasoning), discovered if you don't use extensions Chrome can be run without them like other browsers, and we know some Chrome extensions have recently been the victim of adware, even though for Firefox that appears not to have happened in four years, but if anyone can suggest why Chrome has become so popular, I'd be interested to know the reason.
Last edited by hello_hello; 4th Mar 2014 at 23:11.
I stated my reasons for switching to Chrome, Firefox doesn't offer me anything extra that I want, I do not care for the user interface, and it doesn't come with its own sandbox. You forgot to pooh-pooh the sandbox. It doesn't keep out every kind of malware (or claim to), but can keep out some kinds. I can't tell you why all the others switched. However, since you likely do not understand the reasons why most people prefer using an LCD monitor, I really should not be surprised that you cannot grasp that there may be some reasons why more people like using Chrome more than they like using Firefox.
I thought refraining from pooing in the sandpit showed admirable restraint. I didn't even make a reference to running a browser without extensions and the year 2006, admittedly knowing how hard it would be to then resist using "third-party hosts file" and "the 90's" in the same sentence. See what I mean?
When I asked if "an inch or so of extra web page on the screen surely isn't why so many have switched browsers", I realise I should have phrased it better so it couldn't be interpreted as questioning your reason for switching. On my "reason to switch browsers" list, a tiny bit of extra screen real estate is nowhere near the top, and I'd have imagined for the majority of people it'd be similarly low.... hence the question.
So does anyone know why Chrome has become so popular? Is it something to do with LCD monitors??
@hello_hello --- probably you'd better start a new thread in the Polls forum
Actually, Firefox toolbar is slightly smaller than Chrome toolbar because I can move my Links folder that I created (and everything else) to the address bar but with Chrome, I have to use the Bookmarks bar to show my Links and my bookmarks which were imported from Firefox. Firefox looks more like IE6 did with the menu, address bar and everything else on one bar but I've gotten used to using the button on the far right to access everything in Chrome.
For me, Chrome seems to be a lot safer with cookies and scripting turned on so I use it for most of my surfing and use Firefox with cookies and scripting turned off to surf seedier sites It's easier to use two different browsers that to keep changing settings.
Maybe Chrome has some sort of built-in screen real estate placebo effect which cancels out the extra space wasted by the Windows 7 windows. Or maybe trying to ignore the need for clear-type to make reading text bearable on an LCD monitor skews your perception of available screen real estate?
"Firefox the way I normally run it" v "the Chrome image from post #16 resized to my desktop width" v "Firefox without the menu bar".
Admittedly I don't really know how accurate that is because if I do the same using the screenshot from post #1, Chrome appears to take up much less screen real estate, but then again, the text is way smaller too, so maybe that's a desktop resolution difference.
I tried installing Chrome for a screenshot but there's no installer to download and run (something I dislike) and the on-line installer seemed to just sit spinning it's wheels until I gave up. I might try again later.
Last edited by hello_hello; 5th Mar 2014 at 17:28.
NOTE: Chromium's ZIP archive is 80MB big ---
whereas my Seamonkey folder contains 48.5MB and my Opera folder contains 20.2MB.
I finally found a link for the Chrome Standalone Enterprise MSI package which worked. Using the online installer, which if I recall installs Chrome to a special location unworthy of any other software (ie not in the Program Files folder) is enough to put me off installing it. Does Chrome still normally install that way?
I'm pretty sure the only reason Chrome wins the real estate competition by a massive six pixels is because I have icons added to the right side of the Firefox toolbar which increase it's size. If I removed them, I think Firefox might end up the winner by a pixel or two, given the "address bar" itself (ie text area) is obviously smaller and the tabs are smaller, but I can't be bothered re-arranging things to find out. Give me menus and let me put stuff where I can click on it any day. "Minimalist" can bite me on a desktop PC. I'll save that crap for my smart phone's 4" display.
"Firefox the way I normally run it" v "Firefox without the menu bar" v "Chrome straight out of the box".
Why is the Firefox drop down menu thingy orange? It's seriously ugly.
PS. After installing Chrome I have a Google folder in Program Files which has 392MB worth of files inside. My Firefox installation folder and my Firefox profile folder are in two different locations. I've also moved the Firefox cache to my Windows Temp folder, but the first two total 114MB, and that's with 29 extensions installed.
Last edited by hello_hello; 5th Mar 2014 at 22:00.
All of you are wrong, LOL, I use the highly customizable Opera.
Opera's an odd browser. I'm not saying it's bad. In fact I'm confident it's pretty good. It's kind of weird it's never really caught on in a big way but I tried it a few times and never warmed to it, yet I could never quite put my finger on the reason.
Chrome on the other hand..... it doesn't look like most other programs running on the same OS and it's GUI is so minimalistic it feels like it's almost apologising for running, yet it's very popular. I'll admit.... I don't get it.
I found an extension for Chrome that puts an icon on the toolbar to access my bookmarks so I can now turn off the bookmarks bar. I'd like to be able to get file, edit, view also like every other browser has but again, that can be accessed from Tools on the far right (everyone calls it a wrench which it was at one time but now it is three flat bars). Firefox is the easiest to make look like IE6 (which was my goal) but it leaves some unused real estate after turning off the bookmarks bar. Opera, although it kinda looks like IE6 is the hardest since you can't move the address bar.
Last edited by DarrellS; 6th Mar 2014 at 11:31.
The days of the old-school Opera (up to version 12.xx) are numbered : - /
- more and more sites are being designed to be partially or totally incompatible with it
(YouTube, Facebook, Skydrive, the new Megaupload, etc.)
- its password manager is buggy, and 3rd-party programs are required for decrypting the file wand.dat
- it supports only a tiny subset of the EMOJI character set
- it is abandonware
What about the new school Opera? It's still going isn't it? I haven't given it a spin yet, so I'm downloading version 20 at the moment.
Never mind..... I see Opera turned into Chrome since I last tried it. It even has the same "Java application running on Java running on Windows" look to it.
When I went searching for help customizing it, all the Opera forums and support sites were shut down and when I tried to search for anything with Google, the page was all screwed up with unrecognizable text running down the left side of the page which made it almost unusable. So it looks like you are right about it becoming abandonware.
So why is/was Chrome's minimal user Interface so appealing to me, especially when I switched? For one thing, I was using a lower resolution 4:3 monitor back then. Wasted desktop space is still a concern to me with a higher resolution 16:9 monitor because I want to avoid using most programs at full screen. I usually have 2-4 Windows sharing my desktop at one time, and one of them is usually a browser. ..and as you discovered, Chrome is also set up by default to display web pages at a slightly reduced size compared to Firefox so more of the page is visible. Firefox has to be customized to make it close to being as efficient in its use of space as is Chrome is using its default settings. All other things being equal (and they aren't) I would rather use something that requires a bit less tweaking to make it better for my purposes.
As to why things aren't equal... I actually forgot one of my reasons for switching to Chrome, but I remember it now that I used Firefox again. Chrome loads pages a little smoother and faster than Firefox. Then there is the sandbox, which is admittedly more effective if someone uses any MS OS that is newer than XP. (XP has some additional connectivity-related vulnerabilities built into it that the sandbox can't do anything about.)
Last edited by usually_quiet; 6th Mar 2014 at 12:23.
According to this link, where it installs still depends on whether it's installed as a system program or for a single user. At the time I didn't bother researching the "why" given I didn't keep it installed.
I usually don't install software to it's default location which for me is another annoyance with Chrome. If I had my way I'd install it in "C:\Program Files\Chrome" but unfortunately it's still special enough not to allow me to decide. I've got 106 programs installed under Program Files and only one of them is installed inside a folder with the same name as the company which produces it. Chrome. Well.... two if you count the drivers for my video card as a program. There's a "Nvidia Corporation" folder there too.
2 pixels, 6 pixels, 12 pixels..... if you're lucky at best it might be enough for a single line of text.
Opera puts the menu button on the left where Firefox puts it. Having the menu icon default to being on the right side of the navigation bar is borderline retarded.
Doesn't everyone create a small partition for the OS and programs? This PC has Windows and programs installed on a 40GB partition. For my other PC I made it 80GB. It's doesn't matter though. Even the 40GB partition on this PC has about 30GB of free space. I'll probably increase it's size if I upgrade XP.
I might still be a lower resolution CRT user but I'm fully capable of connecting more than one to a PC. This PC has two 22" CRTs and a 51" Plasma connected to it. LCD monitors are so cheap these days, an extra 12 pixels of screen real estate is at least as trivial as a program using an extra 100MB of hard drive space.
(Edit: I checked and both Chrome and Firefox default to using the same fonts. Same font size too)
"This page in Firefox" v "This page in Chrome straight out of the box".
I think all browsers have some sort of "prefetch" system where they try to predict your actions and preload stuff in advance. Chrome's might be more aggressive than average, I don't know. The Chrome GUI has no setting for it. Opera seems to let you enable/disable it in it's settings. Firefox lets you enable/disable it using about:config
(Edit: Well that's interesting. According to this site Chrome doesn't support prefetch, yet I thought Google's search was renown for using it. They even had the Google Web Accelerator at one stage. Maybe they use a different method.)
Sandbox, shmandbox..... I've been running Firefox on XP without so much as an antivirus program installed for years now and I travel to all sorts of dark corners of the internet. If I'm lucky I might run Windows update twice a year. Number of infections to date, zero.
Last edited by hello_hello; 7th Mar 2014 at 14:35.
When someone is using Windows 7, the Firefox button sits on top of the tabs instead of essentially replacing a tab on the left side of the window as is the case with XP. There is absolutely no reason Firefox's programmers could not or should not have used the same layout for both, which would have saved a few pixels as a side effect. (BTW, looking at pictures of Firefox 4, the Firefox button sat on top of the tabs originally, so why did the layout change, if not to save a few pixels?) Maybe the programmers don't feel it is worth their time to be consistent anymore since the current Firefox interface is now so unbearably ugly. LOL (I'm not entirely joking. I do find Chrome more attractive to look at. I greatly prefer the uncluttered interface and the more real-world look of Chrome's tabs.)
[Edit]Well I finally managed to get Firefox to put the Firefox button where a tab would normally be. All I need to do is run it at full screen. Well, that really saves space on my desktop NOT. Time to delete this unattractive and less secure browser and never bother with it again.[End Edit]
At any rate I don't have to tweak Chrome as much as I have to tweak Chrome to reduce the amount of space taken up by default controls to an acceptable amount, and Firefox offers me nothing that I want for my trouble that I can't also have with Chrome.
Last edited by usually_quiet; 7th Mar 2014 at 19:19.
just as it appears the Opera developers did) instead choosing to move it to a ridiculous location on the right side of the tab bar and simply leave it there, Aero or not.
When running on Aero, if it looks like this, it makes perfect sense. I wouldn't want them to put it anywhere else.
Putting the menu button at the top stops it from using space which could otherwise be occupied by tabs, it's situated in a location which would otherwise be a unused, and if that picture's any indication the tab bar wouldn't be moved down as a result of it being there, because the close/minimise buttons are in the way anyway. And most importantly of all, it's where you expect to find it.
Menu button at the top of the window running Aero, moved down level with the tab bar when not, or menu button stuck on the right side of the tab bar regardless. Put it like that and I don't know why I'm even debating the topic as the former method being better goes without saying....
The Chrome interface certainly isn't my cup of tea. I want programs which conform to the standard Windows colour scheme and layout etc, and not ones which look like they're running on a Java virtual machine.
"Wasted desktop space is still a concern to me with a higher resolution 16:9 monitor because I want to avoid using most programs at full screen. I usually have 2-4 Windows sharing my desktop at one time, and one of them is usually a browser....."
You can't have it both ways. One post you're running 2-4 open windows and screen real estate is at a premium, now it's general computing and simple video editing. If having multiple windows open simultaneously is making your workspace crowded, ideally you need another monitor, whether there's programs wasting screen real estate or not. Run a second monitor for five minutes and you'll realise that's the most helpful suggestion you've been offered in a long time.
Seriously.... I've read so many things over the years..... computer tweaks are amongst my favourites. Often they're very popular because they speed up a PC. Even the ones which if they have an effect, would potentially slow it down.
Last edited by hello_hello; 7th Mar 2014 at 20:12.
Designing a good icon that everyone can recognize is not all that easy. The icon Google used is an abstraction of a real world menu, a piece of paper with a list of items written on it. Unfortunately this has to be pointed out to a lot of people before they "get it".
Last edited by usually_quiet; 7th Mar 2014 at 23:06.