so, i have been reading the forum since October and i guess it's time to post a newbie post
currently i have been playing around with a Hauppage HVR-3000 (defective 2nd hand) and a new Avermedia EZMaker7 usb capturing mainly in VirtualDub, or VirtualVCR with Huffyuv and a Sony SLV-SE610 vcr (rca) or my Sony analog handycam(s-video), and i guess i should go around buying some new stuff:
my goal is to achieve high-amateur , mid-low pro captures. The composite captures i'm achieving right now is far from that (lots of combing, lack of TBC i guess is resulting in hue changes-dot distortions) and i am wondering which if all should be the rank of importance in improving my set up.
1.i was thinking of getting a Blackmagic Intensity Pro, but i see it has issues with capturing vhs? is my EZmaker any close to ok for lossless? (thought it might be somewhat close to the ATI 600-650 i've been reading about)
2.i'm also thinking of buying a Panasonic NV-HS1000 (i guess no more TBC should be needed after this?) if i'm lucky for it to be in a good condition. If not do you know how easy it will be to have it serviced?Also buying the vcr will a usb like the EZmaker will be enough for capturing?
i would like to hear from any of you, if you have any proposals
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Your Linksys recorder doesn't burn discs? In any case, it won't give you "high-amateur , mid-low pro captures". Recording VHS to lossy formats is a lower quality process.Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end. -- Henry David Thoreau
i don't own it, i just saw the Linksys in a special offer and thought it would be handy for the tapes that i don't intend on editing, just dvd-transferring. It simply has an internal hard disk and ethernet connection to the pc. So here's a question: is there any difference in 1. capturing straight to dvd, than 2. capturing lossless and then again mpeg-2 dvd? I mean if you are going mpeg2, is it better to go straight there? (when you don't care for having a file on your computer)
What happens if you simply record VHS directly to DVD? VHS is dirty, noisy, crappy media with a ton of problems: chroma nosie, chroma shift, chroma bleed, dropouts, comets, rainbows, halos, DCT ringing and ghosting, tape noise, rips and ripples, line timing errors, horrible and unpredictable color changes from moment to moment, bad frames, interlace errors, combing artifacts, telecine, invalid luma and chroma levels, crushed darks, blown out highlights, and a lot of other junk you'll see in many threads in this forum. If you record all that garbage directly to DVD, you'll enshrine all that junk as digital artifacts for posterity, forever. If you try to clean up lossy media you'll encounter severe difficulty, and many of the problems won't be fixable. Why? Not only do digital encoders not expect noise, they don't like it. Encoders are extremely noise-unfriendly. They require higher bitrates to handle it. Cleaning up lossy encodes entails more data loss and more compression artifacts. The result of recording directly to DVD is that the result will never look better than the source. It will usually look worse. DVD/MPEG itself is not an "editable" format. Unless you use smart-rendering editors, the entire video gets re-encoded. Cleanup of lossless media in the typical consumer editor entails multiple re-encodes and severe quality loss.
Lossless captures do entail more time and effort. There's no doubt about it. The major advantage is the leeway to do some cleanup and get a better encode where data bits can contribute to detail and clarity rather than get wasted on noise. Another advantage is that losssless media can be encoded to any of several delivery formats: DVD, standard definition AVCHD and BluRay, Xvid, or deinterlaced for web display, all without altering the lossless media. AS technology improves, old archived lossles captures can be further enhanced.
Last edited by sanlyn; 4th Feb 2014 at 11:40.Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end. -- Henry David Thoreau
first of all thanks for your time. I didn't make myself clear, i meant for the few cases where i will not be doing any filtering or cleaning to the tapes , just copying it to a dvd (to be honest that's gonna be the case for my uncle's tapes ) you don't really need to go pc-lossless and then down to shitty mpeg2 right? that's the reason i'm thinking about the Linksys one, to save some time from the pc. For the majority of my captures i want to go lossless editing and archiving to external hard disks and making x264 smaller copies to have for viewing. The problem is that my budget is a bit limited (or better my financial state bad) so i'm trying to make the best in my ranking. Get a MiniDV instead of a capture card? Currently i'm doing quite ok captures via s-video with the Avermedia EZmaker usb, and my hi8 handycam, but having issues with it's composite in and my vcrs (looks like TBC errors i guess). It's the change of hue/color (ex red turning to chessboard-orange) that is happening, but on the Hauppauge 3000 it does not happen , so i can't blame my vcrs or cables only. In the attached example you can see the pattern happening at the top as green squares
The green disturbance you mention occurs with many capture devices. Likely it's the Avermedia, which stands kinda low on the capture totem pole. A hi8 handycam is often used for capture, but usually they capture to DV-AVI, which is not lossless and isn't friendly with the way VHS color is stored on tape. DV fans are fond of it, especially those who've never worked with VHS lossless capture. Don't get me started.
If there is supposed to be a tbc somewhere in the capture circuit for your example AVI, it doesn't appear to be helping. Also, unless your AVI was captured in RGB (usually it's captured as YUY2), it has been converted to RGB32.Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end. -- Henry David Thoreau
indeed. the fact that mpeg2 is getting old doesn't quite make it shitty at once