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    Hello,
    I don't know if this is the right place for this but here goes. I have about 5 VHS tapes I want to make into "quality" DVD. (One in particular is a school play which lasts 35 mins). Which means no distortion and interlaced lines that come from coding and re-coding(Capture to WMM to DVD maker). I have the Canopus 110. A competent windows 7 PC with the correct firewire connection and 200gb of space. My source for playing the VHS is a commercial JVC VCR that has TBC etc. I started a project on the latest version of windows movie maker but can only save the video to wmv or H.264 MP4. I used windows dvd maker to burn this project and the results were terrible. I like the WMM format and templates because they were easy and didn't look bad. I inserted subtitles and credits along with adjusting the audio a bit. I know now that I may need to start this project from the beginning again in order to attain the original image output of the tape. I am looking for a lossless process to converting vhs to DVD. My project is saved and I still have the raw avi I captured from TMPenc saved. Any advice on what to do? I put this down for a couple of months just out of frustration. Thanks in advance
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    The Canopus will give a DV-AVI output which is the best quality you are going to get. Transfer to your computer using WinDV which will result in a 13Gb per hour file. Edit with something that can save as DV-AVI, there are trial versions of quite a few decent quality editing suites, such as Sony Vegas. Save your edited file as DV-AVI using smartrender so only any bits you have altered will be re-encoded, everything else will be left just as it is. Then use whatever you choose to encode and author to DVD. Never bothered with DVD Maker but I assume it will take a DV-AVI file and encode it to the correct mpeg 2 format. For DVD leave as interlaced as that is what a DVD player is going to expect to see and use a decent bitrate such as 8000kbs. That'll give you just over an hour to a 4.7Gb DVD disc.
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  4. Originally Posted by zoink187 View Post
    Hello,
    I started a project on the latest version of windows movie maker but can only save the video to wmv or H.264 MP4.
    Don't use Windows Movie Maker for anything. Cap as DV using the WinDV recommended by Richard G and after every stage encode to a lossless AVI as Sanlyn suggested. If you want to cap lossless, then you'll need either a capture card or a USB capture device, and not all have the ability to cap losslessly. Encode lossy for the second time (DV is slightly lossy too) only when encoding the final DVD. Maybe send your lossless AVI (I use Lagarith) to AVSToDVD for the final encoding if you're not competent to encode, make rudimentary menus, and author, yourself.

    Like Sanlyn, I also recommend keeping it interlaced, but that's up to you. Working with interlaced material, editing and restoring, can be tricky.
    I inserted subtitles and credits...
    You're hardcoding subtitles (burning them into the video)? Why not make them selectable like normal retail DVDs? They can be added during the authoring stage (or with AVSToDVD). The credits can also be made as subs, or a big black screen created for their display (or run during the final scene(s) of the video). That may be difficult for you, though, without the use of an NLE.
    ...along with adjusting the audio a bit
    The audio can be worked on in Audacity and then brought back into the video during authoring.

    You said you wanted to make a 'quality' DVD. What you're doing now isn't the way. Just my advice, worth about what you paid for it.
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    Originally Posted by sanlyn View Post
    Then don't capture VHS to DV. You'll lose color resolution as well, if you do. DV is basically PC-only playback. It is not DVD/BluRay/AVCHD compatible without re-encoding. DV is lossy encoding. DVD is lossy encoding. Two lossy encodes don't make a better result.
    Ordinarily I would have said the same but the Canopus he is using outputs DV-AVI so that is the best he will get. It'll take analogue in, in composite or S-Video, and transcode to DV-AVI over Firewire. So WinDV is the way to go, no different to transferring DV-AVI from a camcorder. WMM further transcodes on the fly to whatever crappy format it can cope with so needs to be avoided. I agree it's a two stage process to then go to mpeg2 but as long as the original quality is retained as much as possible by using a decent quality VHS deck and, if it can, feeding S-Video to the Canopus, any quality loss is going to be minimal. The resulting DV-AVI file should look no worse than the VHS original and if the mpeg2 conversion is done with decent settings, then watching the footage from a DVD will look no worse than watching the origianl VHS tape.
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    I didn't say they are the same, I said that it will look no worse. Or at least, it can look no worse if the mepg2 settings are right. I very rarely transfer VHS but, when I do, I use a camcorder in passthrough to convert S-Video into DV-AVI, just the same as a Canopus does. That will give me a file that has a resolution of 720x576 (as I'm in a PAL country) which is considerably greater than the resolution of the original VHS. How much this will affect the visual quality is down to how good the A/D converter is in whatever is being used. The Canopus is one of the best and if you go back 10 years was what was being recommended as a way to get decent quality video into a computer from an analogue source. Capture cards have got a lot better since then (at least they work reasonably reliably these days and don't drop frames and unsync the audio from the video like they used to) and so have lossless codecs but he's got what was considered the best not that long ago.

    I suppose the question has to be, does he want to convert VHS into DVD or does he want to create a DVD from footage originally on VHS?
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    Thanks for the input everyone. In answer to the last question, I want to preserve VHS footage on a DVD with a small amount of tweaking (getting rid of the ringing in the audio or at least minimizing it.) Also, adding credits and subtitles to audio the may not be able to be heard clearly. Past that, it does not matter much because its VHS resolution after all. But if this footage is aging as I am, I need to do something soon! By the way, the latest version of virtualdub is not working on my Windows 7 32bit machine. I'm not able to capture with the Canopus 110 (error code -2 relating to the source format) nor can I use the lagarth or huffyuv codecs because they are not working or installed properly. Yesterday I used WinDV to capture and moved that avi right into AVStoDVD and burned the DVD. The whole process took almost 2 hours. I then popped the finished product into my bluray player. The end result was a very close to original video output (no lines/pixels) but the audio was in slow motion and out of sync. I think I'm halfway there with this method. Keep in mind the was no video "cleaning up"involved nor did I add the credits or subs (Darn WMM! I like you but why do you compress to such crappy formats?!). I can see the finish line! I just don't want to disturb this process with editing software that will kill my output. Again, your advice is welcomed and appreciated.
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    Hi zoink187

    Do you still have the AVStoDVD project log file? If yes, could you attach it here?



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  10. Originally Posted by zoink187 View Post
    Yesterday I used WinDV to capture...
    Forget VDub, Lagarith or anything else for capping. As long as the Canopus box is in the chain, you should cap to DV AVI and WinDV is the tool for the job. About the audio, hard to say, but did you make sure you were capping it at 48Hz? Check the DV AVI you made with MediaInfo.

    VDub and Lagarith work fine in Win7 32 bit.

    Subs can be added after making the DVD, although you'll have to demux. If you can create the subs yourself, you won't have to reencode the video. Here's Baldrick's guide:

    http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/277950-How-to-add-new-subtitles-to-an-existing-DVD

    Use his Method 2 and don't forget to follow the instructions about 'turning on' the subs in the DVD later. The guide is not about actually creating the subs, but there are many programs available for that.
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    Mr_C_,
    here is the log file.
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    Hi zoink187

    from the log file, apparently no issues.

    Could you please cut 1 min from the original AVI-DV an upload it here? You can use VirtualDub or Avidemux to cut.



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    Ok Gang,

    This a general survey on the previously mentioned project. I am simply looking for a ranking on the following capture devices with one being the best. I'm using Win 7 32 bit. An available pcie and older pci slot, and usb 2.0 ports. Mind you I have virtual dub and enosoft dv for capture software so I'm just interested in the hardware. I'm capturing VHS.


    ATI 600 usb

    ADS Tech DVD usb

    Encore ENUTV usb

    AverTV Volar HD usb


    PCI

    Aver EZDVD Maker

    Hauppage Win PVR

    ATI AIW 650 hd

    ATI 7500 AIW VE


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    Please separate the PCIs from the USBs please.


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    Ok. I do believe we are on video help.Not that I'm unwilling, Convenience does play a role and sending them to a shop is not an option. I am asking for advice and it sounds like ati AIW 7500 is your winner? Again, it's a survey. Thanks.


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    Respectfully, that sounds like it's bordering complicated but I am willing to learn. What I have to find is a "Happy Medium" , if that's possible, that can address those cleanup issues but doesn't become terribly time consuming or a headache (as in just about now).


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  20. I'd like to point out that the ATI 7500 AIW VE is not PCI (it's AGP) and won't work with Windows 7.
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    I was referring to the pci version and messed up the model numbee


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    Even at 32 bit (legacy)?
    If it won't be compatible. Should I just stick with usb or a newer type of card that would support analog s video capture?


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    Originally Posted by zoink187 View Post
    Even at 32 bit (legacy)?
    If it won't be compatible. Should I just stick with usb or a newer type of card that would support analog s video capture?


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    Get the USB version of the ATI or Diamond TV Wonder HD 600. Avoid the PCI version of the TV Wonder HD 600, which uses a different chipset, because its automatic gain control will sometimes go crazy and can't be disabled. Unfortunately the same problem exists with all versions of the TV Wonder HD 650 and TV Wonder HD 750 too.

    Windows 7 drivers for the Diamond TV Wonder HD 600 USB are available from: https://www.diamondmm.com/tvw600usb-ati-amd-tv-wonder-hd-600.html

    I have installed the 32-bit drivers and they work with Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. I didn't try Catalyst Media Center with the the TV Wonder HD 600 USB, and you wouldn't want to use it anyway for lossless capture. GraphStudio does work, and allows more control.
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    Correct. It is the TV wonder.


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    Am I correct to assume that Hauppauge's PCIs have the same compatibility problem with win 7 and above?


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  29. Hey, I'm new to transferring VHS to a PC video format. I have a Dell Inspiron with Windows 7, 4GB of RAM and a3.0 Ghz processor. I plugged my VCR into my tower with a USB to RCA cable (red yellow and white) and installed AVS Video recorder because I use AVStoDVD for DVD authoring and I'm pretty happy with that. It's saying that it's detecting no capture device and that I need to install a driver to pick up my VCR connection. Can anyone recommend something? I got my RCA cable off of ebay for $5 and it didn't come with a disc or anything.
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  30. Originally Posted by MiklosTheDisemboweler View Post
    It's saying that it's detecting no capture device...
    That's because there isn't any. And you'll need more than just a driver to make it work. You'll need a capture device. If you look around on this site you'll find lots of information about how to do it. Even in this thread.

    And why are you hijacking someone else's thread?
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