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  1. Computer-savvy noob
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    Please send me elsewhere if this is not an appropriate place to post. I am using ImgBurn to burn a dual-layer DVD. However, the burn consistently fails. I have no idea why. Log below. Any help appreciated.


    I 13:00:15 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
    I 13:00:15 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)
    I 13:00:15 Total Physical Memory: 3,206,600 KiB - Available: 2,258,368 KiB
    I 13:00:15 Initialising SPTI...
    I 13:00:15 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
    I 13:00:15 -> Drive 1 - Info: DTSOFT BDROM 1.05 (E: ) (Virtual)
    I 13:00:15 -> Drive 2 - Info: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GT30N LT13 (D:) (ATAPI)
    I 13:00:15 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 1 BD-ROM!
    I 13:22:17 Operation Started!
    I 13:22:17 Building Image Tree...
    I 13:22:17 Checking Directory Depth...
    I 13:22:17 Calculating Totals...
    I 13:22:17 Preparing Image...
    I 13:28:02 Using Layer Break LBA: 1818581 -> 1818592 (VTS_06, PGC: 1, Chapter: 6, Cell: 6, Vob/Cell ID: 1/6, Time: 00:20:43, SPLIP: No)
    I 13:28:02 Checking Path Length...
    I 13:28:02 Contents: 41 Files, 2 Folders
    I 13:28:02 Content Type: DVD Video
    I 13:28:02 Data Type: MODE1/2048
    I 13:28:02 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 13:28:02 Volume Label: TEST
    I 13:28:02 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled
    I 13:28:02 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
    I 13:28:02 TV System: NTSC
    I 13:28:02 Size: 7,258,750,976 bytes
    I 13:28:02 Sectors: 3,544,312
    I 13:28:02 Image Size: 7,259,422,720 bytes
    I 13:28:02 Image Sectors: 3,544,640
    I 13:28:17 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:59
    I 13:28:17 Operation Started!
    I 13:28:17 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
    I 13:28:17 Source File Sectors: 3,544,640 (MODE1/2048)
    I 13:28:17 Source File Size: 7,259,422,720 bytes
    I 13:28:17 Source File Volume Identifier: TEST
    I 13:28:17 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 438F6AC60036163C
    I 13:28:17 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.8.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
    I 13:28:17 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
    I 13:28:17 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 13:28:17 Destination Device: [0:1:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GT30N LT13 (D:) (ATAPI)
    I 13:28:17 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66)
    I 13:28:17 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x
    I 13:28:17 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
    I 13:28:17 Destination Media L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912 (Changeable: Yes)
    I 13:28:17 Write Mode: DVD
    I 13:28:17 Write Type: DAO
    I 13:28:17 Write Speed: MAX
    I 13:28:17 DVD+R DL Reserve Track: No
    I 13:28:17 Link Size: Auto
    I 13:28:17 Lock Volume: Yes
    I 13:28:17 Test Mode: No
    I 13:28:17 OPC: No
    I 13:28:17 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    I 13:28:17 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,310 KB/s (6x)
    I 13:28:17 Book Type Setting: N/A (Reason: Invalid Command Operation Code)
    I 13:28:17 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,818,592
    I 13:28:17 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary, 'SPLIP' Flag Not Set
    I 13:28:17 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Succeeded!
    I 13:28:17 L0 Data Zone Capacity - Effective: 1,818,592
    I 13:28:17 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)
    I 13:28:21 Writing LeadIn...
    I 13:28:48 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3544639)
    I 13:28:48 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3544639)
    I 13:28:48 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1818591)
    W 13:30:46 Failed to Write Sectors 110784 - 110815 - Reason: Write Error
    W 13:30:46 Retrying (1 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: No Seek Complete
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (2 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (3 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (4 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (5 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (6 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (7 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (8 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (9 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (10 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (11 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (12 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (13 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (14 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (15 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (16 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (17 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (18 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (19 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:49 Retrying (20 of 20)...
    W 13:30:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:56 Retrying (21)...
    W 13:30:56 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:30:57 Retrying (22)...
    W 13:30:57 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:31:03 Retrying (23)...
    W 13:31:03 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    E 13:31:04 Failed to Write Sectors 110784 - 110815 - Reason: Write Error
    E 13:31:04 Next Writable Address: 0
    I 13:31:05 Synchronising Cache...
    W 13:31:12 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
    E 13:31:12 Failed to Write Image!
    I 13:31:12 Exporting Graph Data...
    I 13:31:12 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\me\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GT30N_LT13_SUNDAY-DECEMBER-15-2013_1-28_PM_RITEK-S04-66_MAX.ibg
    I 13:31:12 Export Successfully Completed!
    E 13:31:12 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:02:55
    I 13:31:12 Average Write Rate: 1,629 KiB/s (1.2x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,076 KiB/s (3.8x)
    I 13:33:14 Operation Started!
    I 13:33:14 Building Image Tree...
    I 13:33:14 Checking Directory Depth...
    I 13:33:14 Calculating Totals...
    I 13:33:14 Preparing Image...
    I 13:33:58 Using Layer Break LBA: 1719117 -> 1825520 (VTS_06, PGC: 1, Chapter: 5, Cell: 5, Vob/Cell ID: 1/5, Time: 00:17:08, SPLIP: Yes -> No)
    I 13:33:58 Checking Path Length...
    I 13:33:58 Contents: 41 Files, 2 Folders
    I 13:33:58 Content Type: DVD Video
    I 13:33:58 Data Type: MODE1/2048
    I 13:33:58 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 13:33:58 Volume Label: TEST
    I 13:33:58 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled
    I 13:33:58 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
    I 13:33:58 TV System: NTSC
    I 13:33:58 Size: 7,258,750,976 bytes
    I 13:33:58 Sectors: 3,544,312
    I 13:33:58 Image Size: 7,477,329,920 bytes
    I 13:33:58 Image Sectors: 3,651,040
    I 13:34:06 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:51
    I 13:34:06 Operation Started!
    I 13:34:06 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
    I 13:34:06 Source File Sectors: 3,651,040 (MODE1/2048)
    I 13:34:06 Source File Size: 7,477,329,920 bytes
    I 13:34:06 Source File Volume Identifier: TEST
    I 13:34:06 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 438F6C270037B5D4
    I 13:34:06 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.8.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
    I 13:34:06 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
    I 13:34:06 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
    I 13:34:06 Destination Device: [0:1:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GT30N LT13 (D:) (ATAPI)
    I 13:34:06 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66)
    I 13:34:06 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x
    I 13:34:06 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
    I 13:34:06 Destination Media L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912 (Changeable: Yes)
    I 13:34:06 Write Mode: DVD
    I 13:34:06 Write Type: DAO
    I 13:34:06 Write Speed: 5x
    I 13:34:06 DVD+R DL Reserve Track: No
    I 13:34:06 Link Size: Auto
    I 13:34:06 Lock Volume: Yes
    I 13:34:06 Test Mode: No
    I 13:34:06 OPC: No
    I 13:34:06 BURN-Proof: Enabled
    W 13:34:06 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 6,925 KB/s (5x), Got: 5,540 KB/s (4x)
    W 13:34:06 The drive only supports writing these discs at 2.4x, 4x, 6x.
    I 13:34:06 Book Type Setting: N/A (Reason: Invalid Command Operation Code)
    I 13:34:06 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,825,520
    I 13:34:06 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary
    I 13:34:06 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Succeeded!
    I 13:34:06 L0 Data Zone Capacity - Effective: 1,825,520
    I 13:34:06 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)
    I 13:34:06 Writing LeadIn...
    I 13:34:43 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3651039)
    I 13:34:43 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3651039)
    I 13:34:43 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1825519)
    W 13:37:09 Failed to Write Sectors 134336 - 134367 - Reason: Write Error
    W 13:37:09 Retrying (1 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: No Seek Complete
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (2 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (3 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (4 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (5 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (6 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (7 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (8 of 20)...
    W 13:37:13 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    W 13:37:13 Retrying (9 of 20)...
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    W 13:37:13 Retrying (10 of 20)...
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    W 13:37:13 Retrying (11 of 20)...
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    W 13:37:13 Retrying (20 of 20)...
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    W 13:37:33 Retrying (21)...
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    W 13:37:37 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
    E 13:37:39 Failed to Write Sectors 134336 - 134367 - Reason: Write Error
    E 13:37:39 Next Writable Address: 0
    I 13:37:39 Synchronising Cache...
    W 13:37:44 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
    E 13:37:44 Failed to Write Image!
    I 13:37:44 Exporting Graph Data...
    I 13:37:44 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\me\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GT30N_LT13_SUNDAY-DECEMBER-15-2013_1-34_PM_RITEK-S04-66_5x.ibg
    I 13:37:44 Export Successfully Completed!
    E 13:37:44 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:03:38
    I 13:37:44 Average Write Rate: 1,526 KiB/s (1.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,282 KiB/s (2.4x)
    Last edited by davidimcintosh; 15th Dec 2013 at 14:54.
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    RITEK-S04-66
    This is your problem in a nutshell. Use Verbatim AZO discs for double layer dvds. The mid codes on them will be MKM-001 or MKM-003 depending on whether you get the slower or faster rated discs. Either should be ok.

    For example: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-96542-Branded-Recordable-30-Disc/dp/B001D8OGOO
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    I was about to edit my post and add the disc type I was using: Memorex DVD+Rdl, 8x 8.5GB. I thought Memorex was a good name?

    Sorry, Kerry, I just noticed the first line of your post, vis-a-vis "RITEK-S04-66" - didn't realize that was from my log file until I looked carefully. I gather then that you are familiar with the brand (so Memorex is a rebrand of something called RITEK???) and it's crap? thanks then for the info. I will look for Verbatim. What other brands are good? Thanks.
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    The thread is probably better in the Newbie/General forum, though I suspect a media problem. I'll move it there.

    And welcome to our forums.

    First question, have you burned other dual layer files with no problems? I would only recommend using Verbatim DL media. I've burned several hundred DLs with no problems using ImgBurn and Verbatim.

    The DL discs you are using seem to be RITEK-S04-66. Not a great media. And it looks like they were trying to burn at 5X speed and were downgraded to 4X, then it looks like it also tried at 1X and still failed.

    If this is the only failure, I would suspect the file itself. ImgBurn is generally foolproof and it would be the last suspect, in my experience.

    The other possibility is the cabling to the drive or the drive itself has failed. Not as likely. A external USB drive can also cause occasional problems, but I assume this one is internal.


    EDIT: Just so you know, the name on the DVD media or package is often not the real manufacturer. You really need to go by the media code. You can input that in our 'DVD Media' page to the left on this page to get more information about the media.
    You can also go to : http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/blank-media.htm for much more information about media.
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    Thanks Sambat. I had already done all things in Lightening UK! posts, with the exception of cutting burn speed down to 2.4x. I'd cut it down to 4x (as you can see in the log above), but will try once more with it cut down to 2.4x. And then I will buy Verbatim discs. Seems like there is a consensus about them...
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    thanks Redwudz. Internal DVD burner, so won't be cabling. I've burned dual layers, but some time ago. seems the consensus it that it's likely a media problem, which is in fact what I suspected in my gut. Will try burning at slow speed (2.4x. You are correct about the speeds - I tried cutting down to 5x, and the drive only supports 4x, so it was cut down further), until I've used up my remaining discs, and will then buy verbatim. Are any other brands comparable, or are verbatim the only good quality ones? Thanks.
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    Originally Posted by redwudz View Post
    You can also go to : http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/blank-media.htm for much more information about media.
    Yah, but it doesn't take much glancing through posts here to determine who know's what they're talking about, and who doesn't, and I think I've been given some good advice here by some people who know a thing or two...

    For example, it was pretty clear that Lightening UK! kinda knew a thing or two about ImgBurn, ... even before I realized (just now) that he was the author... lol.
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    Originally Posted by davidimcintosh View Post
    thanks Redwudz. Internal DVD burner, so won't be cabling. I've burned dual layers, but some time ago. seems the consensus it that it's likely a media problem, which is in fact what I suspected in my gut. Will try burning at slow speed (2.4x. You are correct about the speeds - I tried cutting down to 5x, and the drive only supports 4x, so it was cut down further), until I've used up my remaining discs, and will then buy verbatim. Are any other brands comparable, or are verbatim the only good quality ones? Thanks.
    The only discs that I know of that are comparable to the Verbatim DL media are the ones made by FTI Falcon and sold here: http://www.duplication.ca/shop/Falcon-Premium-2P-DVD-R-DL-8.5GB-8X-White-Thermal-Hub-P...-Teac-P55.html

    These are made using the same 2P process as the Verbatim double layer discs and have proved to be quite good. They are just harder to find and since FTI Falcon also make inverse stack double layer discs, it is easy to get confused on which ones to buy. So, we normally just tell people to buy Verbatim AZO DL discs, which eliminates any possible confusion.

    There isn't much price difference, so its also easier to buy the Verbatim discs from major sites online anyway.
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    Originally Posted by Kerry56 View Post
    The only discs that I know of that are comparable to the Verbatim DL media are the ones made by FTI Falcon and sold here: http://www.duplication.ca/shop/Falcon-Premium-2P-DVD-R-DL-8.5GB-8X-White-Thermal-Hub-P...-Teac-P55.html
    Thanks Kerry. These guys have their warehouse around the corner from where I live, so I may give them a try, esp. if I can get a good price at the warehouse.

    Edit: Just checked their web site. They sell both the Falcon's you mention and Verbatim (https://www.duplication.ca/shop/ON-SALE-Verbatim-DVD-R-Dual-Layer-8.5GB-Inkjet-printab...e-20-pack.html), but the Falcon are half the price ($25.80 for 20 of the Falcon, v.s. $51.95 for 20 varbatim). Are the Falcon definitely as good as the Verbatim????

    Lastly Kerry, out of curiosity, did you post the link to the duplication.ca site because you noticed I was from toronto (where they have their warehouse), or is that where you would get your discs from as well (being a ways away in Texas)? If the former, thanks for the extra effort!
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    Originally Posted by davidimcintosh View Post
    Will try burning at slow speed (2.4x. You are correct about the speeds - I tried cutting down to 5x, and the drive only supports 4x, so it was cut down further), until I've used up my remaining discs, and will then buy verbatim. Are any other brands comparable, or are verbatim the only good quality ones? Thanks.
    Tried burning at 2.4x - my drive does not support any slower burn (including not supporting 1x) - and still got errors on two attempts. So, it seems either the discs suck, or my burner is half dead - I am guessing no-one has seen anything stupid or incorrect that I am doing. Thank all for the help. I will re-post when I try burning to better media.
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    Originally Posted by davidimcintosh View Post
    Originally Posted by Kerry56 View Post
    The only discs that I know of that are comparable to the Verbatim DL media are the ones made by FTI Falcon and sold here: http://www.duplication.ca/shop/Falcon-Premium-2P-DVD-R-DL-8.5GB-8X-White-Thermal-Hub-P...-Teac-P55.html
    Thanks Kerry. These guys have their warehouse around the corner from where I live, so I may give them a try, esp. if I can get a good price at the warehouse.

    Edit: Just checked their web site. They sell both the Falcon's you mention and Verbatim (https://www.duplication.ca/shop/ON-SALE-Verbatim-DVD-R-Dual-Layer-8.5GB-Inkjet-printab...e-20-pack.html), but the Falcon are half the price ($25.80 for 20 of the Falcon, v.s. $51.95 for 20 varbatim). Are the Falcon definitely as good as the Verbatim????

    Lastly Kerry, out of curiosity, did you post the link to the duplication.ca site because you noticed I was from toronto (where they have their warehouse), or is that where you would get your discs from as well (being a ways away in Texas)? If the former, thanks for the extra effort!
    The FTI Falcon Premium discs are good, but the Verbatim have had more users testing them and reporting back. I would think that the Verbatim discs may have better compatibility across burners too. So, Verbatim is a safer choice. That said, all those who have tried the FTI discs over at MyCE.com have had good results.

    I'd check the prices for the Verbatim at Newegg in Canada: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130196 That is a spindle of 50.

    or this 30 pack at Amazon in Canada: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B001D8OGOO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d19_i3?pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y...pf_rd_i=915398

    That duplication.ca site is one of only two or three that I know of that definitely carry the 2P process FTI discs. I did include it here since you are in Canada.
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    Well, I tried burning on my Macbook pro with the Ritek DVD's and it burned them no problem. So I am now inclined to think it is an issue with the burner on my laptop. Curiouser and curiouser....
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    And you might want to consider it to be a cooperative or compatibility issue where Riteks and the failing burner don't like each other. This is a common issue, and are often the basis for firmware updates - to improve compatibility between one media and a particular model of burner.

    You might also play your successfully-burned-on-Mac disk and see how it plays... I mean, before chicks are counted from eggs...
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    Also, double layer media has never been regarded as an archival format, and poor quality discs like the Riteks may fail even earlier than good quality discs.
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    Originally Posted by OllieTSB View Post
    And you might want to consider it to be a cooperative or compatibility issue where Riteks and the failing burner don't like each other. This is a common issue, and are often the basis for firmware updates - to improve compatibility between one media and a particular model of burner.
    Yep. In fact, I had just reflashed the latest firmware, and have my suspicions that it might have worked fine with the old firmware....
    Originally Posted by OllieTSB View Post
    You might also play your successfully-burned-on-Mac disk and see how it plays... I mean, before chicks are counted from eggs...
    Well, it's worse than that. Mac doesn't have (free) DVD burning software that is nearly as user friendly/useable as ImgBurn - one has to jump through some hoops to burn a video DVD (given that you already have a VIDEO_TS directory with all the files), and I did't quite get it right.... Created the the DVD image file (.cdr) no problem, then told my mac pro to burn the image to the DVD (click on the image file, and select "burn to DVD" - made sense to me!), and presto, a data DVD with one file, the .cdr file. Sigh. Gotta love software that "does it all" for you, and does it wrong.
    It was my last blank DVD, the other 5 having been ruined with attempts to burn them on the PC.
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    Ah well... maybe nothing is a failure as much as a chance for the first success. LOL

    Riteks have earned a lesser-reputation for a long time across many burners and, as Kerry points out, the ability to have disks deteriorate will be greater with them, and in a shorter period of time.

    At some point, I had to ask myself - do I want cheap disks and pretend they'll last, or spend more and have a greater assurance? I use the Falcons where possible, Verbatims for DLs and TY's if Falcon's aren't available.

    Best o' luck.
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    This notion of discs deteriorating then is not an urban myth? A burned CD or DVD will eventually become unreadable? What type of lifespan are we talking about? (Commercial discs I presume have unlimited lifespans?)
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    Lifespan of dvds is variable. It depends on the quality of the dyes used in the discs, how well the disc is burned in the first place and how they are stored. If you leave them out in direct sunlight, this will accelerate the loss of data. If you store them in binders and the weight is pressed down on them, you can warp the discs, which causes them to be unreadable. Recently over at MyCE, we had one person report that his discs in soft binders had impressions pressed into the burning side of the discs, and these were blu ray, which have a hard coat, unlike dvds. He used a heat gun to even out the surface enough to get the data off.

    Paper labels on dvds can also warp the discs or make them unbalanced and cause them to be hard to read. Scratches interfere with playback. Not to mention fungus (inside joke, sorry guys, couldn't resist).

    But even using good storage techniques, dvds will eventually lose their data. The dyes used in them are organic, and they will deteriorate over time. That might take decades. I personally have burned dvds that over 10 years old and playback perfectly.

    Commercial dvds are pressed, not burned, and their lifespan should be much longer, but not unlimited.
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    Originally Posted by Kerry56 View Post
    Not to mention fungus (inside joke, sorry guys, couldn't resist).
    Link????
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    Originally Posted by davidimcintosh View Post
    Originally Posted by Kerry56 View Post
    Not to mention fungus (inside joke, sorry guys, couldn't resist).
    Link????
    Oh, its a trainwreck: http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/358823-DVD-disc-Fungus
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    http://www.blankmedia.ca/default.html

    Try these guys for Falcon or Verbatim
    Is he gone?
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