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  1. Hi,

    I'm trying to burn a 14 minute movie to a dvd. When I play it on tv, the picture jitters/looks pixelated every other second. The dvd menu also does this. Is it because the movie is hd and it's being burned on normal dvd not bluray?

    These are the QT movie settings:
    Animation
    29.97 fps
    1280x720
    48 kHz , stereo

    To burn, I'm using dvdstyler and a sony dvd+r 4.7gb disc:
    Video bitrate. Auto
    Audio bitrate. 192 kbit/s
    Aspect ratio 16:9, audio- AC3 (48 kHz)

    Burn speed at x1

    Should I just render the qt movie at NTSC settings in After effects and then burn to a dvd?

    I am new to this, so I appreciate any help. Thank you.
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  2. Perhaps you could Attach a sample of the VOB video file from the DVDR to show what you mean.
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    Could this be an interlaced vs progressive issue?

    I'm assuming the original video file doesn't have the issue you are describing.

    Use media info to identify the video details of the original file.

    If the original is progressive keep it progressive but use standard def resolution.

    Hopefully that will correct any problems if that was the issue.

    Otherwise I'd suggest using a different program to make the dvd if that isn't the issue.

    Avstodvd does a great job and is freeware.
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  4. Hi,

    Yes, the original Qt movie file is fine. It's happening with the encoding process. I just don't know what to use as settings. I even tried adobe media encoder. So I am setting something wrong. I used mediainfo and here is what it said about the original file:
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    My composition settings in after effects are as follows:
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    If I render from after effects as SD, what should I select below for NTSC?:
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    I am in the process now of trying Avstodvd. If you when to see any red flags, please let me know. Thank you.
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  5. for NTSC DVD you need to choose NTSC widescreen mode
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  6. Where's the sample requested by vaporon800? And, like yoda313, I'd suggest you just drop the thing into AvsToDVD.
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    Video bit rate of 623 Mb/s?
    Is he gone?
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  8. Hi,

    I uploaded what happens on youtube, but then that video doesn't look the same as what I see in person (so it's pointless to show the link). The issue is that every other second the picture jitters or flickers like the pixels are being pushed to the side and then back in place. What's the best way to capture what is happening after it's encoded or burned to a dvd to show you? The movie isn't even that complicated; it's a bunch of photos with 1 second fade transitions on each end (slideshow with simple title sequence).


    I also tried 4 versions of mpeg-2 encoded movies with media encoder and all of those jitter as well.


    Here's the info dvdstyler provides when movie and menus are ready to be burned to dvd (the preview):


    DVDStyler v2.5.2
    Windows 7 (build 7601, Service Pack 1), 64-bit edition
    FFmpeg: libavformat 55.12.102, libavcodec 55.18.102, libavutil 52.40.100
    Prepare
    Cleaning temporary directory
    Search for transcoded files in cache
    Generating menus
    Generating menu 1 of 1
    Create menu MPEG
    Multiplexing subpictures into mpeg
    Menu has 1 group(s) of changeable colours.
    Executing command: spumux -P -s 0 "C:\Users\MNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-tmp\menu1-0.mpg_spumux.xml"
    DVDAuthor:pumux, version 0.7.1.
    Build options: gnugetopt iconv freetype fribidi fontconfig
    Send bug reports to <dvdauthor-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
    INFO: no default video format, must explicitly specify NTSC or PAL
    INFO: Converting filenames to cp1252
    INFO: PNG had 1 colors
    INFO: PNG had 4 colors
    INFO: PNG had 4 colors
    INFO: Pickbuttongroups, success with 1 groups, useimg=1
    INFO: 0 bytes of data written
    INFO: 6144 bytes of data written
    INFO: 12288 bytes of data written
    INFO: 16384 bytes of data written
    INFO: 22528 bytes of data written
    INFO: Found EOF in .sub file.
    INFO: Max_sub_size=58
    INFO: 1 subtitles added, 0 subtitles skipped, stream: 32, offset: 0.50
    Menu has 1 group(s) of changeable colours.
    Executing command: spumux -P -s 1 "C:\Users\MNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-tmp\menu1-0.mpg_spumux.xml"
    DVDAuthor:pumux, version 0.7.1.
    Build options: gnugetopt iconv freetype fribidi fontconfig
    Send bug reports to <dvdauthor-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
    INFO: no default video format, must explicitly specify NTSC or PAL
    INFO: Converting filenames to cp1252
    INFO: PNG had 1 colors
    INFO: PNG had 4 colors
    INFO: PNG had 4 colors
    INFO: Pickbuttongroups, success with 1 groups, useimg=1
    INFO: 0 bytes of data written
    INFO: 6144 bytes of data written
    INFO: 12288 bytes of data written
    INFO: 18432 bytes of data written
    INFO: 24576 bytes of data written
    INFO: Found EOF in .sub file.
    INFO: Max_sub_size=50
    INFO: 30720 bytes of data written
    INFO: found existing substream ID 0x20 (DVD-Video 0)
    INFO: 1 subtitles added, 0 subtitles skipped, stream: 33, offset: 0.50
    Transcode/remultiplex
    Add file to cache:C:\Users\MNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-cache\entry001.vob
    Transcode video file: D:\002_Movies\sat_4pm.mov
    Need encode: true, use mplex: false
    Executing command: ffmpeg -i "D:\002_Movies\sat_4pm.mov" -f dvd -c:v:0 mpeg2video -s 720x480 -r 30000/1001 -g 18 -b:v:0 8000000 -maxrate:v:0 8000000 -minrate:v:0 8000000 -bufsize:v:0 1835008 -packetsize 2048 -muxrate 10080000 -b:a 192000 -ar 48000 -c:a:0 ac3 -map 0:v -map 0:a "C:\Users\MNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-cache\entry001.vob"
    ffmpeg version N-54835-g835eee8 Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the FFmpeg developers
    built on Jul 20 2013 18:03:29 with gcc 4.7.3 (GCC)
    configuration: --disable-static --enable-shared --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --disable-w32threads --enable-avisynth --enable-bzlib --enable-fontconfig --enable-frei0r --enable-gnutls --enable-iconv --enable-libass --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enable-libfreetype --enable-libgsm --enable-libilbc --enable-libmodplug --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libopus --enable-librtmp --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libtwolame --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264 --enable-libxavs --enable-libxvid --enable-zlib
    libavutil 52. 40.100 / 52. 40.100
    libavcodec 55. 18.102 / 55. 18.102
    libavformat 55. 12.102 / 55. 12.102
    libavdevice 55. 3.100 / 55. 3.100
    libavfilter 3. 81.102 / 3. 81.102
    libswscale 2. 4.100 / 2. 4.100
    libswresample 0. 17.102 / 0. 17.102
    libpostproc 52. 3.100 / 52. 3.100
    [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 0053f9e0] Stream #1: not enough frames to estimate rate; consider increasing probesize
    [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 0053f9e0] Stream #2: not enough frames to estimate rate; consider increasing probesize
    Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'D:\002_Movies\sat_4pm.mov':
    Metadata:
    major_brand : qt
    minor_version : 537199360
    compatible_brands: qt
    creation_time : 2013-12-07 21:27:34
    Duration: 00:00:14.45, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 652200 kb/s
    Stream #0:0(eng): Video: qtrle (rle / 0x20656C72), rgb24, 1280x720, 650641 kb/s, SAR 1280:1280 DAR 16:9, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 30k tbn, 30k tbc
    Metadata:
    creation_time : 2013-12-07 21:27:34
    handler_name : Apple Alias Data Handler
    timecode : 00:00:12;08
    Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
    Metadata:
    creation_time : 2013-12-07 21:27:34
    handler_name : Apple Alias Data Handler
    timecode : 00:00:12;08
    Stream #0:2(eng): Data: none (tmcd / 0x64636D74), 0 kb/s
    Metadata:
    creation_time : 2013-12-07 21:27:55
    handler_name : Apple Alias Data Handler
    timecode : 00:00:12;08
    Output #0, dvd, to 'C:\Users\MNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-cache\entry001.vob':
    Metadata:
    major_brand : qt
    minor_version : 537199360
    compatible_brands: qt
    encoder : Lavf55.12.102
    Stream #0:0(eng): Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480 [SAR 32:27 DAR 16:9], q=2-31, 8000 kb/s, 90k tbn, 29.97 tbc
    Metadata:
    creation_time : 2013-12-07 21:27:34
    handler_name : Apple Alias Data Handler
    timecode : 00:00:12;08
    Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s
    Metadata:
    creation_time : 2013-12-07 21:27:34
    handler_name : Apple Alias Data Handler
    timecode : 00:00:12;08
    Stream mapping:
    Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (qtrle -> mpeg2video)
    Stream #0:1 -> #0:1 (pcm_s16le -> ac3)
    Press [q] to stop, [?] for help
    frame= 56 fps=0.0 q=5.6 size= 1320kB time=00:00:01.80 bitrate=6001.5kbits/s
    frame= 100 fps= 99 q=2.0 size= 2720kB time=00:00:03.26 bitrate=6814.3kbits/s
    frame= 132 fps= 87 q=2.0 size= 4110kB time=00:00:04.33 bitrate=7762.0kbits/s
    frame= 175 fps= 86 q=2.0 size= 5484kB time=00:00:05.77 bitrate=7782.7kbits/s
    frame= 207 fps= 82 q=2.0 size= 6910kB time=00:00:06.84 bitrate=8275.6kbits/s
    frame= 255 fps= 84 q=2.0 size= 8282kB time=00:00:08.44 bitrate=8037.0kbits/s
    frame= 285 fps= 80 q=2.0 size= 9162kB time=00:00:09.44 bitrate=7948.4kbits/s
    frame= 318 fps= 78 q=2.0 size= 9674kB time=00:00:10.54 bitrate=7516.2kbits/s
    frame= 352 fps= 77 q=2.0 size= 11046kB time=00:00:11.67 bitrate=7748.4kbits/s
    frame= 381 fps= 75 q=2.0 size= 12456kB time=00:00:12.64 bitrate=8068.9kbits/s
    frame= 413 fps= 74 q=2.0 size= 13912kB time=00:00:14.55 bitrate=7830.3kbits/s
    frame= 433 fps= 73 q=3.2 Lsize= 14678kB time=00:00:14.58 bitrate=8243.3kbits/s
    video:14095kB audio:342kB subtitle:0 global headers:0kB muxing overhead 1.668813%
    Generating DVD
    Executing command: dvdauthor -o "C:\Users\MNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-out" -x "C:\Users\MARYNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-tmp\dvdauthor.xml"
    DVDAuthor::dvdauthor, version 0.7.1.
    Build options: gnugetopt iconv freetype fribidi fontconfig
    Send bug reports to <dvdauthor-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
    INFO: no default video format, must explicitly specify NTSC or PAL
    INFO: Converting filenames to cp1252
    INFO: dvdauthor creating VTS
    STAT: Picking VTS 01
    STAT: Processing C:\Users\MARYNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-tmp\menu1-0.mpg...
    INFO: Video pts = 0.500 .. 0.933
    INFO: Audio[0] pts = 0.500 .. 0.916
    INFO: Audio[32] pts = 0.500 .. 0.500
    INFO: Audio[33] pts = 0.500 .. 0.500
    STAT: VOBU 1 at 0MB, 1 PGCs
    CHAPTERS: VTS[1/1] 0.000
    INFO: Generating VTSM with the following video attributes:
    INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2
    INFO: TV standard: ntsc
    INFO: Aspect ratio: 16:9
    INFO: Resolution: 720x480
    INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc, 'en'
    STAT: Processing C:\Users\MARYNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-cache\entry001.vob...
    STAT: VOBU 16 at 8MB, 1 PGCs
    INFO: Video pts = 0.533 .. 14.981
    INFO: Audio[0] pts = 0.528 .. 15.120
    STAT: VOBU 25 at 14MB, 1 PGCs
    CHAPTERS: VTS[1/1] 0.000
    INFO: Generating VTS with the following video attributes:
    INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2
    INFO: TV standard: ntsc
    INFO: Aspect ratio: 16:9
    INFO: Resolution: 720x480
    INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc, 'en'
    STAT: fixed 1 VOBUs
    STAT: fixing VOBU at 8MB (17/25, 64%)
    STAT: fixed 25 VOBUs
    INFO: dvdauthor creating table of contents
    INFO: Scanning C:\Users\MNE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\dvd-out/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.IFO
    INFO: Creating menu for TOC
    STAT: Processing D:\DVDStyler\data\empty_ntsc_ac3.mpg...
    WARN: attempt to update aspect ratio from 16:9 to 4:3; skipping
    INFO: Video pts = 0.178 .. 6.417
    INFO: Audio[0] pts = 0.178 .. 6.194
    STAT: VOBU 11 at 0MB, 1 PGCs
    CHAPTERS: VTS[1/1] 0.000
    INFO: Generating VMGM with the following video attributes:
    INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2
    INFO: TV standard: ntsc
    INFO: Aspect ratio: 16:9
    INFO: Resolution: 720x480
    INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc, 'en'
    STAT: fixed 11 VOBUs
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  9. Originally Posted by Mnesnay View Post
    I uploaded what happens on youtube, but then that video doesn't look the same as what I see in person (so it's pointless to show the link).
    That's why I asked you to attach a sample cut from your VOB file, if playing the VOB on your computer also shows the issue.

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  10. So how do i attach the vob for you to see? thanks.
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  11. This shows the problem at around 16 seconds into the video.
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  12. When the video is full screen, you can see the leaves flicker.
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  13. Attached wrong file from above (0_Music_Render.mp4). This is the VOB from AVStoDVD. i also attached the log text file.I did a preview of the dvd menu in AVSTODVD and the preview of the menu flickers/jitters. Thanks for your help.
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  14. The issue is called keyframe pumping. In this case, every Intra-frame is lower quality than the surrounding predicted frames and the I-frames pop up every 0.4 seconds because of DVD specs.

    The log indicates you are encoding to MPEG-2 with ffmpeg. See if you can set it to use HCEnc instead. (I've never used the software.)
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  15. Code:
    TITLE 1 SOURCE FILES
    Video: D:\002_Movies\Crimi\Farm Week 2013\03_Saturday_PGchambers\satNight_8pm.mov
    Info: rle  - 248585 kbps - 720x486 - DAR 1.778 - 29.97 fps (CFR) - 14 seconds - 427 frames
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    OUTPUT VIDEO INFO: MPEG-2 Video - 8500 kbps - 720x480 - DAR 1.778 - 29.97 fps (CFR) 
    - Progressive - 14 seconds - 427 frames
    another thing, source video should be 720x480 to prevent (yet another) resize of your video
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  16. Hi,

    Ok, can you just check this file? I believe using HCEnc VBR 1-pass solved it... I notice a little flicker now and then but it is very, very minor. Would you suggest lowering the bitRate? Right now it is on AUTO Calculate. Here are the settings.


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    Thank you sooooo much - I have been looking for a solution for almost a week.
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  17. Here is the log.
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    Originally Posted by Mnesnay View Post
    Hi,

    Ok, can you just check this file? I believe using HCEnc VBR 1-pass solved it... I notice a little flicker now and then but it is very, very minor. Would you suggest lowering the bitRate? Right now it is on AUTO Calculate. Here are the settings.
    It's actually not hitting the intended bitrate target (your sample is <6Mb/s)

    Lowering the bitrate won't help improve it. Using 2pass VBR instead of 1pass might help improve it some more, and a different matrix might help it to use more bitrate
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  19. This is with it as a 2pass VBR.
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  20. These are the choices for matrix. Would you suggest MPEGSTD? Or something else? Thanks.Name:  matrixChoices.jpg
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    FOX1 will definitely result in higher bitrates but I don't know if it's a optimal choice in this scenario.

    manono might have a better suggestion, he even has some matrices named after him (look in the screenshot) . You can try PM ing him if he doesn't reply
    http://forum.videohelp.com/members/54890-manono

    For pure slideshow content , high bitrate CBR encoding might be a good approach as well

    2pass VBR becomes more important when you have different types of content, bitrate is allocated more ideally
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  22. Most of the matrices HCEnc uses aren't even for DVD but were developed for use with XviD encodes. The only pure DVD matrices are the MPEG, the MPEG STANDARD, the three FOXes and the three MANONOs. I'd go with FOX1 as it's the best of the bunch and I think its use won't result in too high of a Q factor, considering how static a slideshow is. The only parts using a lot of bits are the dissolves.

    If you don't care about the file size, you could do a single-pass Constant Quantization encode. But I don't know what its numbers mean as they're different from those in CCE. Maybe try with the default 5. And I'd raise the max bitrate to 9500 as your audio is only 192 and HCEnc promises not to go over the max bitrate set.

    And I also agree with pdr that a high-bitrate CBR encoding might be useful for this kind of material. Does HCEnc even do CBR encodes? Anyway, you could set both the minimum and average bitrates higher to better approximate a CBR encode.

    But it's a pretty good-looking encode already, much better than the first one.

    Were some of the pictures taken from video?? The reason I ask is that both cars show aliasing, something that resembles bad deinterlacing to me.
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  23. Hi,

    The photos were taken with a nikon d300. I used after effects and imported all the pics into the timeline with 1 second fade ins and outs (each pic 4 seconds long). The movie lasts 14 minutes. Then i rendered a QT movie 1280x720, animation, 29.97 fps. At this point, the movie was fine. When i used a dvd authoring software, DVDstyler, and checked the dvd (sony dvd+R, 4.7gb) on my tv (played on PS3) I noticed the jitters every second or so. I can't seem to find any settings in that program to change encoding. So I have tried for almost a week to find a solution; about four other dvd authoring programs and adobe media encoder. I need to have a dvd menu, also, and that is why i tried dvdStyler (easy user interface).


    I used to be able to burn my movie on my brother's mac using iDvd and had no poblems. Now, iDvd is no longer available.
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  24. Originally Posted by Mnesnay View Post
    I need to have a dvd menu, also, and that is why i tried dvdStyler (easy user interface).
    You can still use DVDStyler or any other authoring program with the output from HCEnc. Feed it the DVD-compliant video and audio and just use it for its authoring ability. It won't reencode. Ordinarily, though, NTSC 29.97fps material is encoded as interlaced but I don't know if any authoring program will object that this was encoded as progressive.
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  25. Originally Posted by manono View Post
    Does HCEnc even do CBR encodes?
    The "VBR Bias" setting is supposed to edge things towards CBR, but it doesn't get all that close in my experience.
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  26. CBR could be simulated using descent CQ and VBV max bitrate set, HC encoder has a check box for that. Never tried that. Basicaly like with x264 encoder. Question is how precisely HCencoder keeps tha VBV max rate .
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  27. Hi,

    I think FOX1 worked - I burned it on a dvd and played it. Looks a thousand times better than my original try. Thank you all so much for your help. I learned a lot in a very short span of time. Thanks again.
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