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    Good news for the early adopters I guess, but in my opinion it would be better if there was actual content for the monitors. I predict that this will be an epic fail - there is no demand at all for this right now and consumers, some of whom here have mentioned that they still don't have BluRay players, are not interested in yet another video format to have pay extra money for in terms of TV content or discs.
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    since this is a monitor and not a tv, i don't think the lack of tv content will slow down adoption. this will appeal to gamers and those that stream content to their pc's; netflix is already experimenting with 4k content:

    http://www.techhive.com/article/2060494/netflix-testing-4k-ultrahd-video-streaming.html

    and i know of one chinese broadcast company that has already started streaming all their content in 4k+hevc.

    plus there's this reality, there needs to be a "killer app" introduced that reignites demand in high end hardware and thus stimulates growth in the tech sectors.

    4k+hevc is that killer app combo that could reignite a new "arms race" and get the public spending again, like 1080p+avc did years ago.

    you can check out some 4k content here:

    https://soosck.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/20-open-source-movies-edit-redistribute-free/

    http://mango.blender.org/

    even down scaled via your player from 4k to 1080p you will see how much better it looks than a straight 1080p version.
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  3. How will the average movie release look in 4k? Given the "4k mastering" doesn't do much for the quality that I can see, I'm somewhat sceptical, especially as most Bluray video doesn't have 1080p worth of picture detail as it is. 1080p worth of noise maybe.....
    So what will 4k give us? Movies containing 4k worth of noise but still only around 720p of picture detail?
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    Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    How will the average movie release look in 4k? Given the "4k mastering" doesn't do much for the quality that I can see, I'm somewhat sceptical, especially as most Bluray video doesn't have 1080p worth of picture detail as it is. 1080p worth of noise maybe.....
    So what will 4k give us? Movies containing 4k worth of noise but still only around 720p of picture detail?
    you don't see a difference between a movie at 1080p verses a movie at 720p? maybe if you're talking about the cheesy x264 re-encodes that you find on torrent sites where they take a high end blu-ray and drop the bit rate through the basement while keeping the resolution intact or maybe your monitor isn't up to snuff.

    but on my setup? there is a definite benefit to 1080p over 720p and the 4k content i have seen, even downscaled, kicks ass.
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  5. Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    So what will 4k give us?
    Thoughts, reasoning, to get more expensive and bigger 4K TV's
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  6. Originally Posted by deadrats View Post
    you don't see a difference between a movie at 1080p verses a movie at 720p? maybe if you're talking about the cheesy x264 re-encodes that you find on torrent sites where they take a high end blu-ray and drop the bit rate through the basement while keeping the resolution intact or maybe your monitor isn't up to snuff.

    but on my setup? there is a definite benefit to 1080p over 720p and the 4k content i have seen, even downscaled, kicks ass.
    I have my PC connected to my Plasma TV so I use it for previewing encodes. I'm not a prolific Bluray encoder but I have encoded quite a few. My usual process is to create two scripts, one which doesn't resize and one which resizes to 720p. I then open each script using MPC-HC and run the players maximised on the TV in order to compare them. Well often I compare more than two scripts if I'm considering using noise filtering etc.

    99% of the time, in order to be sure which script is 1080p and which is 720p when they're both running full screen on the TV, I need to stop them on identical frames (and I'm viewing the video a couple of feet from a 51" screen). When I do, if I can see what appears to be a loss of fine detail, much of the time it's because I use a soft resizer with MPC-HC. If I change to a bicubic resizer, quite often that fixes the apparent loss of fine detail, but mostly it's nothing I'd see while the video is actually running, and back at "normal" viewing distance.....

    If I had to take a guess, I'd guess I've gone with 720p around 80% of the time. Most of the rest would be 1080p, but I've compromised and gone with 900p a couple of times, and at least once I went all the way down to 540p (old black and white movie).

    What player do you use for watching encodes? I've sometimes wondered what sort of resizing a player/TV would use for upscaling and how sharp it might be, but as I use my PC for playing video I've never gotten around to comparing them (although I'm certain the Sony Bluray player in this house has a more natural looking picture than the Samsung player). It'd be hard to do reliably anyway as the TV takes too long to switch between HDMI inputs.

    Honestly.... if most Bluray video has 1080p worth of actual picture detail rather than 1080p worth of noise, I've had a really bad run.
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    Most of you have skipped over the fact that apple and monoprice have been selling monitors that use LCD panels with the same or similar resolution. Though these are larger then the ones monitor I have seen. In my experience dell is only good with computers and the associated components that they don't do significant engineering on
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