Is it the end of a technology?
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Well, plasma accounted for less than 6% of TVs shipped in 2012. Which doesn't bode well.
As to Panasonic specifically, they're bleeding red ink from their TV division and seem to be pulling out of TV production entirely. They've been outsourcing their LED/LCD panels for some time now. That strategy has never worked for any maker apart from Vizio, AFAIK.
It seems to me that the answer depends on whether plasma production is still profitable for LG and Samsung, the remaining major plasma makers. Samsung just this model year introduced the very well-thought-of F8500, which, although its black levels are *not quite* on par with the Panasonic VT/ZT60 models, has brightness levels approaching LED sets, a plasma first.
My guess is that R&D will cease, or continue at a very low level, and Samsung will continue to make plasmas for that niche market, for a few more years at least.
I can't help noting that over at the AVS forum are several threads active in which the plasma fans are going nuts. Predictably, the old argument over the Pioneer Kuro started up again, and at least one admin warning has resulted. Also predictably, the general buying public is getting excoriated for being morons.
One poster ventured to say that LED/LCDs might be okay for casual viewing. I'm guessing by that he means in a lighted room. Hint: the general public evidently doesn't buy TVs primarily for performance in a darkened home theater.
Last edited by fritzi93; 12th Oct 2013 at 05:04.Pull! Bang! Darn!
i mourned when they stopped making sony xbr tube tvs and i'll be wearing black again when samsung stops plasma production.--
"a lot of people are better dead" - prisoner KSC2-303
The Samsung F8500 is a very fine TV. It actually beat the Panasonic ZT60 at the big shootout for industry professionals sponsored by VE (Value Electronics) earlier this year. The difference in black level is so close as to require fine measurements with expensive calibration tools. Importantly, it can compete with LED/LCD in a well-lit room.
I almost got one this Spring. The fact that I'd use it extensively as a monitor (image retention) deterred me some, as well as the price. So I got a steeply discounted Sharp 70" (a decent enough LED) floor model instead as a stop-gap while waiting to see what happens with OLED. I may have to re-consider if Samsung stops production as well.Pull! Bang! Darn!
I bought a VT60 a few months ago after comparing it side by side with the F8500. Of course it wasn't under optimum conditions (show room/not calibrated). Out of the box performance easily went to the VT60 'to my eyes'. It just looked more natural and pleasing. Most of my TV and movie watching are at night anyways. To me it is bright enough for daytime viewing, and some. No problems watching football on Sundays at all. If it is a little too bright outside, I can draw the curtains a bit. If I wanted to cauterize my eyes, I'd have gone with an LED, but the picture just looks too artificial. Whatever looks best to your eyes is what I would go for. For me, it's plasma. I do hope that OLED/4k technology comes down in price substantially quickly, and that they do away with those ridiculous curved screens.-The Mang
My VT60 had some motion enhancements on by default that I turned off, as it was producing some really fakey 'soap opera' motion. It looks fantastic now, but again, to my eyes. My girlfriend actually preferred the overly smooth motion. Go figure! Not everyone's brain perceives things the same way, so if LCD/LED looks good to you, that is all that matters.
Would I ever consider buying a LCD/LED? Yes, for a secondary TV and also if I was a gamer 'worried' about IR. I would also opt for a non-smart TV without all the gimmicky features that I would likely end up turning off anyways. Those so called features really add to the price.-The Mang
I have a 7 year old panasonic plasma still going strong
still looks better than my new samsung leds but its heavy as hell
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Originally Posted by louv68
That's why its cheaper to either get a smart bluray player or if you don't need the disc player or don't want one for that particular tv you would be best to get a wdtv live or other streaming capable box.
That I will say is one reason to get a stripped down bare bones streaming box if you don't use file playback on a secondary tv. If it's mainly for netflix/hulu/vudu/youtube than you really don't need h264 playback.Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?