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  1. Hi VideoHelp forum members.


    FilmFriend just introduced an option for independent wedding videographers and wedding videography businesses to give out free lifetime backup and secure online viewing to couples in addition to just the usual wedding DVD.

    It's all free, both for the videographer and the customer so any videographers out there might want to check it out.


    Hopefully some videographer out there will find this useful!
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    Guaranteed lifetime cloud support. LMFAO.
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  3. Most wedding videographers like to charge by the disc -- so they won't be interested.
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  4. But it may be an incentive if there is a lot of competition amongst the videographers for weddings in a given area. The cloud thing would only work if the videographer would also keep a backup on his hard drive in case the cloud collapses. In any event it would cost the videographer some money for cloud storage so he has to make it up somewhere.
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  5. Originally Posted by Hoser Rob View Post
    Guaranteed lifetime cloud support. LMFAO.
    Hoser Rob, when it comes to Cloud services I think everyone understands that lifetime stands for the fact that there's no recurring fee. One can obviously never know what will happen in the future in terms of a natural disaster which wipes out most of the data storage out there.
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  6. Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    Most wedding videographers like to charge by the disc -- so they won't be interested.
    FilmFriend comes on top of the DVD. The videographer still earns the same money he usually would for storing them on DVDs. FilmFriend just radically enhances the customer's experience with the videos.
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  7. Originally Posted by TreeTops View Post
    But it may be an incentive if there is a lot of competition amongst the videographers for weddings in a given area. The cloud thing would only work if the videographer would also keep a backup on his hard drive in case the cloud collapses. In any event it would cost the videographer some money for cloud storage so he has to make it up somewhere.
    Most people today still tend to want to have DVDs at home exactly because, like you said, in case the Cloud collapses. So the videographer doesn't have to start keeping an additional copy on a drive anymore now than what he or she used to.
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    I thought what Hoser Rob was laughing about was the ludicrous idea that something that is currently free will always remain free (and available) for the users' lifetimes.

    That's the problem I have with lots of streaming & cloud services (even though I myself do use them): the business model takes the medium out of your own hands, where someone can change the rules and you are basically at their mercy. I think things like this are good as a portion of a generalized, multi-point, blanketed type of strategy for backups. But just like one should always "diversify their portfolio", so too should you not put all of your media & data backup eggs in one basket.

    (Don't even get me started with Privacy concerns...)

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    Most wedding videographers like to charge by the disc -- so they won't be interested.
    FilmFriend comes on top of the DVD. The videographer still earns the same money he usually would for storing them on DVDs. FilmFriend just radically enhances the customer's experience with the videos.
    You see wedding videographers in here all the time asking how they can protect their DVDs so their clients can't copy them. They want to be paid in the future for additional copies -- and not just a nominal copying fee. The last thing they want is to make it easier for clients to make more copies of their wedding videos or eliminate the need for future DVDs. They don't see their videos as "works for hire". They believe the videos are their copyrighted material and they want to control distribution. Just like Hollywood movies.
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    It's a shame, really. What an outdated business model.

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    IT IS their copyright. The photographer created the look, the feel, the sensation, the warm, so much creative license went into that work.

    Yer darn tootin' it's copyright!
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  12. In my opinion it's closer to a work for hire. When a movie is made the producers finance everything up front. They take a huge risk. If the movie doesn't do well they lose a lot of money. If the movie does well they get royalties to cover that investment risk.

    A wedding videographer negotiates a price up front and can guaranty himself a profit. Someone with better shooting and editing skills will get more jobs and can negotiate higher prices. Of course, since the terms are negotiated up front it's up to both parties to decide what's acceptable.
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    Originally Posted by cornucopia
    That's the problem I have with lots of streaming & cloud services (even though I myself do use them): the business model takes the medium out of your own hands, where someone can change the rules and you are basically at their mercy. I think things like this are good as a portion of a generalized, multi-point, blanketed type of strategy for backups. But just like one should always "diversify their portfolio", so too should you not put all of your media & data backup eggs in one basket.
    Slightly offtopic but I feel this way too.

    Part of it is I don't want to ever go totally online media only should my circumstances change and I can't maintain my current internet speed or have to go without the internet for a length of time. POOF no more media or at least crippled media.

    Also as you mentioned rights are changing all the time. There isn't a "its yours forever" clause in the cloud. At least with a disc you are more secured.

    Now granted the "big boys" I'm more confident with like Vudu and Amazon and stuff. But even netflix had a library change awhile back, don't know if they got it back or not.

    And the other thing about going online only is the lack of bonus material. You can get some bonus features on certain services but I don't think I've ever seen a commentary track as a stream option anywhere. Now granted I don't watch my bonus stuff all the time over and over nor watch commentaries more than once usually. But if I buy the movie I want to be able to dive into it more than just the feature itself.

    But the backup angle is right too.

    One thing that I did do recently was take advantage of Vudu's disc to digital home beta program. I took a full screen dvd that I own and for 5.00 got a widescreen hdx high def version of the same movie. I've had some stuttering watching it on my xbox 360 (wired) so it seems like even though I can watch the hd material on vudu just fine I'm right on the border for stutter free hdx content. I can download it though on my pc so i think that might be my next step (its a legal download option vudu provides - I'm sure its drm'd to hell and all that but I want to be able to play it smoothly and doing it that why might be my only option on my current bandwidth level - though I'll have to try again on a non prime time schedule - I'm on cable internet so maybe the network was too full when I watched - but I've never really had a problem other than that stuff - the hdx content).

    But yeah so long as you have a player you can always play a bluray or a dvd. With the cloud who knows if you can access it three years from now. Hopefully that ultraviolet stuff will push them to make a more universal and long term license agreement so that content you purchase will still be accessible from the service you bought it from.
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    @budwzr, don't get "authorship" and "copyright" mixed. No one should EVER dispute that what was "creatively envisioned" and "technically realized" is the result of the videographer and the videographer alone (well, there might have been SOME input by the actual bridal party!). But copyright can by definition be given over to other parties (representatives, family trusts, and HIRING parties) - some times even before the work is created.

    And to keep the analogy of the movies intact, the movie studio HIRES the DP, etc. Because of the contract chosen, the DP then NO LONGER has ownership (with a few limited exceptions) of that material, even though HE/SHE shot it (and is still the author - though in Hollywood, even that has been disputed in the past). It is agreed that that is how it would work.
    Wedding/Event videographers/photographers can choose to use that business model, or another one. But nothing is set in stone - it's all what is agreed upon. Copyright may default to being the author of the work, but that's only the "default" until it is consensually changed.

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    Hey, what's a Hollywood movie got to do with it? Those are bought and sold all the time.

    But the wedding video is not marketable to the public.

    If I purchase a "Thai" massage, I don't get any comeback rights. It's a onetime/oneshot deal, same as a photo. You want more photo, you have to pay.
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  16. Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    I thought what Hoser Rob was laughing about was the ludicrous idea that something that is currently free will always remain free (and available) for the users' lifetimes.

    That's the problem I have with lots of streaming & cloud services (even though I myself do use them): the business model takes the medium out of your own hands, where someone can change the rules and you are basically at their mercy. I think things like this are good as a portion of a generalized, multi-point, blanketed type of strategy for backups. But just like one should always "diversify their portfolio", so too should you not put all of your media & data backup eggs in one basket.

    (Don't even get me started with Privacy concerns...)

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    You're right and this works specifically because these are backup solutions where you're still expected to maintain a copy of your own media at home. This might change with the next generation that will be used to having things in the Cloud in the first place.

    When it comes to privacy, the media stored obviously has to be very private and secure which most companies like this put a lot more effort in, than say someone who stores their video on their hard drive and watches it through an open home network, which (unless password protected) would let anyone in the near radius jump in and have a look.
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    Yeah, this may be a little exteme of an example, but as I am currently doing IT for a health services agency, I have been summarily told from official sources that NO ONE is allowed to use any Cloud services for client or agency info without FIRST encrypting the material prior to upload. Bypassing this is considered a HIPAA consumer privacy violation. So if the feds don't consider it secure enough (maybe not so much from other consumer's eyes, but more from the Cloud provider's & provider employee's eyes), then we as consumers should look to it cautiously as well.

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  18. Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
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    Originally Posted by jagabo View Post
    Most wedding videographers like to charge by the disc -- so they won't be interested.
    FilmFriend comes on top of the DVD. The videographer still earns the same money he usually would for storing them on DVDs. FilmFriend just radically enhances the customer's experience with the videos.
    You see wedding videographers in here all the time asking how they can protect their DVDs so their clients can't copy them. They want to be paid in the future for additional copies -- and not just a nominal copying fee. The last thing they want is to make it easier for clients to make more copies of their wedding videos or eliminate the need for future DVDs. They don't see their videos as "works for hire". They believe the videos are their copyrighted material and they want to control distribution. Just like Hollywood movies.
    Interesting point jagabo. I guess this could be a concern for some wedding videographers though if you look at the industry stats:

    In 2012 couples spent $2,800 on their wedding video & photography out of which only $296 is spent on the CDs/DVDs. Source: Association of Bridal Consultants.

    It seems like most of the money is being made just as budwzr says, with the "thai" massage approach.

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  19. Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    Yeah, this may be a little exteme of an example, but as I am currently doing IT for a health services agency, I have been summarily told from official sources that NO ONE is allowed to use any Cloud services for client or agency info without FIRST encrypting the material prior to upload. Bypassing this is considered a HIPAA consumer privacy violation. So if the feds don't consider it secure enough (maybe not so much from other consumer's eyes, but more from the Cloud provider's & provider employee's eyes), then we as consumers should look to it cautiously as well.

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    Yep Scott, you're absolutely right because when it comes to Health and Cloud services everything has to comply with HIPAA and be encrypted prior to upload and then decrypted on the server side. This is not obligatory with videos though, but I'm sure a lot of Cloud services will still be doing it in the future for extra security.
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  20. Originally Posted by robin_west View Post
    When it comes to privacy, the media stored obviously has to be very private and secure which most companies like this put a lot more effort in
    Apparently not Verizon:

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/verizon-turns-in-baltimore-church-deacon-fo...porn-in-cloud/

    Verizon detected the pornographic images stored in Albaugh's Verizon Online Backup and Sharing account.
    What was Verizon doing snooping around his files? Maybe they were in a public share? The article isn't clear on the matter.
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    Originally Posted by cornucopia
    So if the feds don't consider it secure enough..... then we as consumers should look to it cautiously as well.
    Not to be political but I'd rather see what a private company is more concerned about then the government. What are microsoft and apple more likely to deal with?
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    Originally Posted by Cornucopia View Post
    Yeah, this may be a little exteme of an example, but as I am currently doing IT for a health services agency, I have been summarily told from official sources that NO ONE is allowed to use any Cloud services for client or agency info without FIRST encrypting the material prior to upload. Bypassing this is considered a HIPAA consumer privacy violation. So if the feds don't consider it secure enough (maybe not so much from other consumer's eyes, but more from the Cloud provider's & provider employee's eyes), then we as consumers should look to it cautiously as well.

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    This privacy issue is just a smoke screen. Hospitals WANT "patient privacy laws" to help them block having to give out statistics/ratings of their industry.

    In these modern times, there's still no way to know where the bad doctors and crooks are hiding.
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