freemake

[natty]

this is most weird as I have a .avi movie which is 1.24GB which I wanted smaller so I put it through freemake saved as .avi took a while but now its 150GB I thought freemake was to make files smaller

[mike20021969]

That sounds like, and possibly is, a bit rate issue.

What is the bit rate of the original file compared against the bit rate of the file Freemake created?

[natty]

That sounds like, and possibly is, a bit rate issue.

What is the bit rate of the original file compared against the bit rate of the file Freemake created?

how do i find out the bitrate

[Baldrick]

mediainfo.

[natty]

mike20021969
Re: freemake

That sounds like, and possibly is, a bit rate issue.

What is the bit rate of the original file compared against the bit rate of the file Freemake created?

this is the original movie bitrate

Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 1.25 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate                         : 1 726 Kbps

and this is after freemake

Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 1.51 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 2 082 Kbps
Writing application                      : Lavf52.94.0

hope this has helped

[mike20021969]

So the Freemake file was 1.51GB not 150GB as you first stated.

Anyway, the file is larger due to the increased bit rate of 2082kbps, compared to 1726kbps of the original.

You can reduce the bit rate by editing the profile. Open the profile and click on the blue cog icon -

Change the bit rate type to Custom, and enter the new value in the box to the right.
You can also change the audio bit rate if you need to via a drop down menu.

[natty]

I dont see a blue cog icon I have version 3.0.0.2

and yes I did mean 1.51GB not 150GB lol

I have now updated freemake video convertor to v3.2.1.4 and still no cog wheel

[MindController]

If you don't mind mp4 or mkv, you may also want to try handbrake. It's free and can really knock down the file size.

[mike20021969]

I dont see a blue cog icon I have version 3.0.0.2

You're a few versions behind - the current one is 3.2.1.3.

When you choose a profile a window like this pops up:



The edit profile icon is there.

[natty]

is it possible if you can do some snapshots where i type all this bitrate, so basically i check movie 1st with media info then add bitrate to freemake etc do i have to do this to every movie then i convert


I will also check out handbrake later


another thing on this latest freemake v3.2.1.4 it has this annoying install thing how can i disable that

[mike20021969]

is it possible if you can do some snapshots where i type all this bitrate

After clicking the blue cog icon, type the bit rate in this box (I entered 3000 as an example):



That install background disappears after adding a video. Strange thing is, if you click "Install Gold Pack", all it does is install the current version of Freemake Video Converter and "Install Gold Pack" is still there.

Maybe I didn't install it right.

[natty]

ok so do i have to change bitrates on all movies before i convert to make sure they match

[mike20021969]

If you change the audio and video bit rate on the profile to match the original file, your new file size will come out the same size.

If you want a smaller file than the original, lower the bit rate.

[natty]

If you change the audio and video bit rate on the profile to match the original file, your new file size will come out the same size.

If you want a smaller file than the original, lower the bit rate.

oh so if original BitRate says 1.726 how low do you put that then or any bitrate numbers as all are not same.

[mike20021969]

oh so if original BitRate says 1.726 how low do you put that then or any bitrate numbers as all are not same.

I'd keep the original audio bit rate.

As you lower the video bit rate, you will notice the video quality getting worse.
So only you can decide what is acceptable to you and your eye.

[natty]

ok many thanks to you and MindController for all your help and also others too

thank you


EDIT: well so much for making this original 1.24GB movie smaller with freemake. I lowered the bitrate from 1726 on the original movie to 1526 on the freemake conversion. so far its 88% completed and file size is now 1.18GB so by the time its 100% it looks as if its going to be same as original I give up

[mike20021969]

so far its 88% completed and file size is now 1.18GB so by the time its 100% it looks as if its going to be same as original I give up

When completes, post the full mediainfo for both files.

[natty]

original movie before freemake

Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 1.25 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate                         : 1 726 Kbps

and now after i set bitrate in freemake to 1526

Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 1.35 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate                         : 1 862 Kbps

but cant understand why its now saying bitrate 1862 as I set it to 1526

[mike20021969]

They aren't complete media info logs. Don't edit the data. Post it completely.
It saves a lot of toing and froing asking questions.

e.g. What is the audio bit rate of the original?

1862 is approx. the overall bit rate (audio+video combined).

If the audio bit rate of the original file is not 320kbps, then that could explain the 100mb increase in file size.

[natty]

original

Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 1.25 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate                         : 1 726 Kbps
Writing library                          : VirtualDub build 32842/release

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                           : Advanced Simple@L5
Format settings, BVOP                    : 2
Format settings, QPel                    : No
Format settings, GMC                     : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix                  : Default (H.263)
Muxing mode                              : Packed bitstream
Codec ID                                 : XVID
Codec ID/Hint                            : XviD
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Bit rate                                 : 1 587 Kbps
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 368 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 1.957
Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.200
Stream size                              : 1.15 GiB (92%)
Writing library                          : XviD 64

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 2000
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 128 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 94.9 MiB (7%)
Alignment                                : Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
Interleave, preload duration             : 500 ms

after conversion with freemake

Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 1.35 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Overall bit rate                         : 1 862 Kbps
Writing application                      : Lavf52.94.0

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                           : Simple@L3
Format settings, BVOP                    : No
Format settings, QPel                    : No
Format settings, GMC                     : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix                  : Default (H.263)
Codec ID                                 : XVID
Codec ID/Hint                            : XviD
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Bit rate                                 : 1 526 Kbps
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 368 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 1.957
Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.192
Stream size                              : 1.10 GiB (82%)
Writing library                          : XviD 1.2.1 (UTC 2008-12-04)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 3
Mode                                     : Joint stereo
Codec ID                                 : 55
Codec ID/Hint                            : MP3
Duration                                 : 1h 43mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 320 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 237 MiB (17%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 24 ms (0.72 video frame)

[mike20021969]

You need to change the audio bit rate from 320 to 128 in the profile using the drop down menu. (see screenshot in post #18).

Previously I said "I'd keep the original audio bit rate." 320kbps wasn't. 128kbps was.

That is where the problem lies.

I hope that helps.

[natty]

so basically it was because i had not changed audio bitrate but how comes it says video bitrate Overall bit rate 1 862 Kbps when I changed it to 1526

[mike20021969]

how comes it says Overall bit rate 1 862 Kbps when I changed it to 1526

That is approx. the combined audio + video bit rate.

Your "after" mediainfo log clearly shows what you set it to:
Bit rate : 1 526 Kbps

I hope this helps.

[natty]

how comes it says Overall bit rate 1 862 Kbps when I changed it to 1526

That is approx. the combined audio + video bit rate.

Your "after" mediainfo log clearly shows what you set it to:
Bit rate : 1 526 Kbps

I hope this helps.

so 1526+320 is that 1 862 Kbps but those 2 figures add up to 1846

[mike20021969]

so 1526+320 is that 1 862 Kbps but those 2 figures add up to 1846

I know, that's why I said approx.

Anyway, the main thing is your converted file size problem should be sorted

Edit: FVC 3.2.1.5 has just been released. Yippee!

[natty]

well so much for making it smaller now after convert its only 1.20Gb and original was 1.24Gb so not made it small much

[mike20021969]

well so much for making it smaller now after convert its only 1.20Gb and original was 1.24Gb so not made it small much

How small do you want it?

If you halve the bit rate of the original, that will give you a file roughly half the size - but the video quality could end up dreadful (depending on the video content).

1587kbps was the original Vs 1526kbps what you chose = 61kbps less.

To make a significant file size reduction, you'd have to drop the figure much more.

[natty]

well so much for making it smaller now after convert its only 1.20Gb and original was 1.24Gb so not made it small much

How small do you want it?

If you halve the bit rate of the original, that will give you a file roughly half the size - but the video quality could end up dreadful (depending on the video content).

1587kbps was the original Vs 1526kbps what you chose = 61kbps less.

To make a significant file size reduction, you'd have to drop the figure much more.

ok mate i can see where you coming from I will play around with it more once again many thanks I have learnt a lot from you and am most grateful

thank you sir