Good day all
I'm busy editing some footage for a client. I have two .mov files that I am unable to open fully (alL I get is the audio stream) in Vegas Pro 10. Trying to convert these in Any Video Converter, the stated format is HDVA (one is 1080 and the other 720).
Any hints / tips on how to open these to edit? Or to convert them to a format I could work with?
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Thank you in advance
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IIRC, "HDVA" is HDV but wrapped in MOV container - this cannot be opened in quicktime for windows, but you can on a mac
You can confirm what it is by using mediainfo (view=>text) copy & paste the info back here
If you know how to use avisynth you can use avfs with ffms2 and import into vegas
or you can convert to either a lossless format e.g. huffyuv, ut video codec , or visually lossless like dnxhd . You might do it with ffmpeg / ffmbc or try one of the dozens of GUIs for ffmpeg like ffcoder
if it is a HDV variant, then you could also re-wrap into .m2t with ffmpeg / ffmbc ... actually this probably would be the best option -
I knew I'd get a quick and helpful reply here.
Thank you poisondeathray
Here is the output for the one file:
General
Complete name : G:\Faith.mov
Format : MPEG-4
Commercial name : HDV 720p
Format profile : QuickTime
Codec ID : qt
File size : 1.35 GiB
Duration : 18mn 3s
Overall bit rate : 10.7 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 13:17:15
Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
Writing library : Apple QuickTime
Media/UUID : ACDD23B6-95CA-49C1-954A-D63347DA461A
Video
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Video
Commercial name : HDV 720p
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Codec ID : hdva
Duration : 18mn 3s
Bit rate : 9 148 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 18.3 Mbps
Width : 1 248 pixels
Original width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 702 pixels
Original height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.418
Stream size : 1.15 GiB (86%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 13:17:15
Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
Color primaries : BT.709-2, SMPTE 274M, SMPTE 296M
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-2, SMPTE 170M, SMPTE 274M, SMPTE 293M, SMPTE 296M
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-2, SMPTE 274M, SMPTE 296M
Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : sowt
Duration : 18mn 3s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 198 MiB (14%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 13:17:15
Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
Menu
ID : 3
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
Let me know if I should add the other file details, but they showed up with the same details in Video Converter.
Have not tried ffmpeg yet, so will take a look at that too.
Thank you again -
Thank you again Poisondeathray!!
Will try that first thing in the morning, and post results here -
Hi again poisendeathray
Apologies for asking yet another question. Have managed to try your suggestion, but to no avail.
I did notice some yellow text (first time I've used ffmpeg, other than built into some Linux programs).
Text reads: [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000000000209EED0] Could not find codec parameters (Vi
deo: none (hdva / 0x61766468), 1280x720, 9147 kb/s)
Am using the latest 64bit Windows build (it's incredibly fast, under 1 min to create a 4GB transcode)
Any suggestions?
Thank you very much, in advance -
Try a 32-bit build, sometimes the 64-bit FFmpeg builds are a bit funky
If that doesn't work, can you upload a small sample (maybe use mpegstreamclip to cut it) -
Thank you for all the great help again
Will try your suggestions this evening.
What I have found, is that I can now use the output in Any Video Converter (with no audio) to create an MPEG file. Using the original files (which only allow use of the audio stream) I can then place both files into my timeline.
Although with transcoding twice, the end result dosn't look so great. Lots of artifacts creeping in. The final project will be DVD, but at the moment it's 1080 footage that looks more cellphone.
Thank you all!! -
Any video converter uses FFmpeg for the backend
So it would probably be preferable to re-wrap (no quality loss, a lot faster) with FFmpeg
If want to re-encode, then use a higher bitrate to reduce the artifacts -
Ah, will try that straight then. Didn't have any luck the first time round.
Have just grabbed the latest release of Any Video Converter (has always served me well).
Will run the bandwidth way up then, and see how that fares.
Thank you again -
for some reason ffmpeg skips the audio stream and includes the "menu" stream from an apple HDV mov using the script - ffmpeg -i input.mov -vcodec copy -acodec copy -f mpegts output.m2t
input -
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Video
Commercial name : HDV 1080i
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High 1440
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Codec ID : hdv2
Duration : 4s 4ms
Source duration : 4s 705ms
Bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
Width : 1 416 pixels
Original width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 062 pixels
Original height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.555
Stream size : 12.0 MiB (80%)
Source stream size : 14.0 MiB
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
Tagged date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : twos
Duration : 4s 4ms
Source duration : 4s 728ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 751 KiB (5%)
Source stream size : 887 KiB
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
Tagged date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
Menu
ID : 3
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
Tagged date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:08:26
Bit rate mode : CBR
output -
General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : C:\temp\ffmpeg\bin\output.m2t
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 16.0 MiB
Duration : 4s 605ms
Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
Video
ID : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Commercial name : HDV 1080i
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High 1440
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 4s 304ms
Bit rate : 27.4 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.587
Stream size : 14.0 MiB (88%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Menu
ID : 4096 (0x1000)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Duration : 4s 605ms
List : 256 (0x100) (MPEG Video) / 257 (0x101) ()
Service name : Service01
Service provider : FFmpeg
Service type : digital television
the output file size is larger than the input and the mediainfo output bitrate seem to indicate that the audio is actually in the file but neither mediainfo nor vegas can access it.
doesn't make too much difference as now the video is usable from the output file and the audio is usable from the .mov source so it is possible to now edit in vegas without any intermediate re-encoding.--
"a lot of people are better dead" - prisoner KSC2-303 -
Thank you Aedipuss
Tried your suggested command line (as m2t and mpg), and again neither would open in Vegas.
I'm not actually too worried about audio (most of it will not actually be needed, and am able to use the .mov audio) but the video won't load on first attempt, only with a additional transcode in Any Video Studio (oddly here, as just stated it used ffmpeg as it's backend).
Thank you all again for all the ongoing help -
It also uses mencoder for backend, but mencoder basically uses the same libraries as ffmpeg
There might be differences in your file. fourcc "HDVA" is listed in codecs.conf of ffmpeg and mencoder, so it should work
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html
Other HDV MOV variants (at least video) work ok in vegas for me e.g. HDV1, HDV2, HDV3 . I've never seen HDVA.
There seems to be a bug in ffmpeg's transport stream muxer, because you can use -acodec copy and demux audio alone (or convert it to little endian) -acodec pcm_s16le (still uncompressed, but usually more compatible on windows programs than big endian) . For example vegas will import that demuxed audio alone ok.
If you cut a sample I can have a look at it -
Thank you poisendeathray, will try cut a sample tonight.
Appreciate everyone's assistance -
another way to get just the video out of the mov container is to use "drag drop convert" a gui for ffmpeg - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Afer-sofT/154366924618733 - get the no install 1.0.0.1
put it in the folder with your mov file. click the "decontent" option. drag the video into the box. when it's done, rename the file with a .m2t extension.
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"a lot of people are better dead" - prisoner KSC2-303 -
It probably won't open in the windows version of mpegstreamclip
You can download dgsplit from here and cut a piece (binary splitter)
http://neuron2.net/mine.html -
Again, thank you poisendeathray and aedipuss
Downloading both of those right now, and will post back shortly!! -
Okay
Tried DDC, and could not open the resultant file.
Also tried DGSplit, and uploaded a 2MB segment to http://www.samdb.co.za/videos/disputedfaith_0.mov
Other than the double transcode, which is hurting quality, nothing has worked so far.
Thank you both again for all the help!!!! -
ok, ffmpeg cannot read the sample (probably from the way it's been cut)
but a temporary workaround , you can use dgindex , file=> save project and demux video . This will give you elementary .m2v video . You can wrap it into .m2ts with tsmuxer and it works ok in vegas here
you only have 2 large files , correct ? no access to the camera that shot these ? -
Thank you very much poisendeathray
Busy downloading those now!
Will post the results.
[edit] I got a 'picture error' in DGIndex when running it, and it then stopped
Only 2 large .mov files, no access to camera, storage media, etc. unfortunatly -
when you used ddc did you add the file extension .m2t to the resultant file and then try it in vegas?
the cut file part you uploaded is too small and corrupted?
General
Complete name : C:\temp\ffmpeg\disputedfaith_0.mov
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : QuickTime
Codec ID : qt
File size : 2.00 MiB
maybe try using this and uploading about a 20mb part.--
"a lot of people are better dead" - prisoner KSC2-303 -
@poisendeathray: that was on the original file that I got the error.
Sample won't load into Vegas here (running 64bit Vegas 10 Pro). Could this point to a possible error? Maybe a messed up codec on my system? I recently removed my installation of DivX (as I'm using XBMC on the main desktop, and other laptops in various OS's to preview rendered filed, and view any other media).
Quicktime is updated to latest release (as are my utils Any Video Converter, etc.) And of course all OS's
@aedipuss: will try that too, and upload. Very slow Internet here in SA, so will probably only have it up in the morning.
Thank you both, very much, once again -
That was on a 32bit version of vegas 8, but I checked in a 64bit version of vegas 9 on another computer an it imports ok too.
Vegas doesn't use system installed codecs or splitters for transport streams or mpeg2 decoding, only the ones it comes with - so it shouldn't matter what codecs you have installed. Unless your vegas install is corrupted. But it doesn't matter if you can't get dgindex to work on the original file (it doesn't rely on system installed codecs either), for whatever reason, that method won't work for you then
Quicktime is updated to latest release (as are my utils Any Video Converter, etc.) And of course all OS's -
I've successfully used VLC's Convert / Save function to break HDV out of .mov jail.
Sometimes I have to convert it two or three times until I get the result I want. I've had to change the file extension of the converted file once or twice. I don't know if it's me or that part of VLC is buggy. But it does work, when nothing else does.
Vegas then happily accepts the files for editing and render. -
Hahah "mov jail". So true.
VLC uses FFMpeg in the back end as well . The FFMpeg method mentioned earlier works with HDV1/HDV2/HDV3 in MOV , but I've never tried it on HDVA - there might be some differences. (even though it's listed in the codecs supported list)
Even if he converts it to some lossless format like huffyuv with any video converter, it's not that bad. Just that re-wrapping it would be preferrable, faster, smaller file sizes -
I know I wrote "convert", but I don't think it's converting - probably just re-wrapping. Long (not broken up into clips), footage-type HDV files are done in minutes.
I'm having trouble finding something that explains the difference between HDV1,2,3,A. Do you have a good link? -
These are just fourcc identifiers for the codec.
I don't know what the exact differences are, only that there are some . e.g. it might be a unique identifer for the 4:2:2 variant of 1440x1080i or some might be full raster 1920x1080, etc...
The one thing they share in common is MPEG2 . You can see about 30 of them for MPEG2. HDV 1-9, XDCAM variants, etc...
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html
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