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  1. Good day all

    I'm busy editing some footage for a client. I have two .mov files that I am unable to open fully (alL I get is the audio stream) in Vegas Pro 10. Trying to convert these in Any Video Converter, the stated format is HDVA (one is 1080 and the other 720).

    Any hints / tips on how to open these to edit? Or to convert them to a format I could work with?
    Searching did not turn up any results of value.

    Thank you in advance
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  2. IIRC, "HDVA" is HDV but wrapped in MOV container - this cannot be opened in quicktime for windows, but you can on a mac

    You can confirm what it is by using mediainfo (view=>text) copy & paste the info back here


    If you know how to use avisynth you can use avfs with ffms2 and import into vegas

    or you can convert to either a lossless format e.g. huffyuv, ut video codec , or visually lossless like dnxhd . You might do it with ffmpeg / ffmbc or try one of the dozens of GUIs for ffmpeg like ffcoder

    if it is a HDV variant, then you could also re-wrap into .m2t with ffmpeg / ffmbc ... actually this probably would be the best option
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  3. I knew I'd get a quick and helpful reply here.

    Thank you poisondeathray

    Here is the output for the one file:

    General
    Complete name : G:\Faith.mov
    Format : MPEG-4
    Commercial name : HDV 720p
    Format profile : QuickTime
    Codec ID : qt
    File size : 1.35 GiB
    Duration : 18mn 3s
    Overall bit rate : 10.7 Mbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 13:17:15
    Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
    Writing library : Apple QuickTime
    Media/UUID : ACDD23B6-95CA-49C1-954A-D63347DA461A
    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : MPEG Video
    Commercial name : HDV 720p
    Format version : Version 2
    Format profile : Main@High
    Format settings, BVOP : Yes
    Format settings, Matrix : Custom
    Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
    Codec ID : hdva
    Duration : 18mn 3s
    Bit rate : 9 148 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate : 18.3 Mbps
    Width : 1 248 pixels
    Original width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 702 pixels
    Original height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate mode : Constant
    Frame rate : 25.000 fps
    Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.418
    Stream size : 1.15 GiB (86%)
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 13:17:15
    Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
    Color primaries : BT.709-2, SMPTE 274M, SMPTE 296M
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709-2, SMPTE 170M, SMPTE 274M, SMPTE 293M, SMPTE 296M
    Matrix coefficients : BT.709-2, SMPTE 274M, SMPTE 296M
    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : PCM
    Format settings, Endianness : Little
    Format settings, Sign : Signed
    Codec ID : sowt
    Duration : 18mn 3s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Stream size : 198 MiB (14%)
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 13:17:15
    Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
    Menu
    ID : 3
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39
    Tagged date : UTC 2011-10-30 14:36:39


    Let me know if I should add the other file details, but they showed up with the same details in Video Converter.

    Have not tried ffmpeg yet, so will take a look at that too.

    Thank you again
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  4. Yes it's HDV. The only reason vegas can't use it, is that it expects HDV to be wrapped in transport stream, not MOV

    I think this should work

    ffmpeg -i input.mov -vcodec copy -acodec copy -f mpegts output.m2t
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  5. Thank you again Poisondeathray!!

    Will try that first thing in the morning, and post results here
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  6. Hi again poisendeathray

    Apologies for asking yet another question. Have managed to try your suggestion, but to no avail.

    I did notice some yellow text (first time I've used ffmpeg, other than built into some Linux programs).
    Text reads: [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000000000209EED0] Could not find codec parameters (Vi
    deo: none (hdva / 0x61766468), 1280x720, 9147 kb/s)

    Am using the latest 64bit Windows build (it's incredibly fast, under 1 min to create a 4GB transcode)

    Any suggestions?

    Thank you very much, in advance
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    What ffmpeg version? It should say at top when you run it.

    You can also try tsmuxer, open mov, output as mts.
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  8. Hi Baldrick

    From the console window ffmpeg version N-37063-g14d94a1

    I downloaded the latest 64Bit Windows binary just this morning.
    Oh, just to add. it's the static compile from Zeranoe's site.
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  9. Try a 32-bit build, sometimes the 64-bit FFmpeg builds are a bit funky

    If that doesn't work, can you upload a small sample (maybe use mpegstreamclip to cut it)
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  10. Thank you for all the great help again

    Will try your suggestions this evening.

    What I have found, is that I can now use the output in Any Video Converter (with no audio) to create an MPEG file. Using the original files (which only allow use of the audio stream) I can then place both files into my timeline.

    Although with transcoding twice, the end result dosn't look so great. Lots of artifacts creeping in. The final project will be DVD, but at the moment it's 1080 footage that looks more cellphone.

    Thank you all!!
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  11. Any video converter uses FFmpeg for the backend

    So it would probably be preferable to re-wrap (no quality loss, a lot faster) with FFmpeg

    If want to re-encode, then use a higher bitrate to reduce the artifacts
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  12. Ah, will try that straight then. Didn't have any luck the first time round.
    Have just grabbed the latest release of Any Video Converter (has always served me well).

    Will run the bandwidth way up then, and see how that fares.

    Thank you again
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    for some reason ffmpeg skips the audio stream and includes the "menu" stream from an apple HDV mov using the script - ffmpeg -i input.mov -vcodec copy -acodec copy -f mpegts output.m2t

    input -
    ID : 1
    Format : MPEG Video
    Commercial name : HDV 1080i
    Format version : Version 2
    Format profile : Main@High 1440
    Format settings, BVOP : Yes
    Format settings, Matrix : Custom
    Codec ID : hdv2
    Duration : 4s 4ms
    Source duration : 4s 705ms
    Bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
    Width : 1 416 pixels
    Original width : 1 440 pixels
    Height : 1 062 pixels
    Original height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate mode : Constant
    Frame rate : 29.970 fps
    Standard : Component
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Interlaced
    Scan order : Top Field First
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.555
    Stream size : 12.0 MiB (80%)
    Source stream size : 14.0 MiB
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
    Tagged date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
    Color primaries : BT.709
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709
    Matrix coefficients : BT.709

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : PCM
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Format settings, Sign : Signed
    Codec ID : twos
    Duration : 4s 4ms
    Source duration : 4s 728ms
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Stream size : 751 KiB (5%)
    Source stream size : 887 KiB
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
    Tagged date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43

    Menu
    ID : 3
    Language : English
    Encoded date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:01:43
    Tagged date : UTC 2006-07-11 01:08:26
    Bit rate mode : CBR


    output -
    General
    ID : 1 (0x1)
    Complete name : C:\temp\ffmpeg\bin\output.m2t
    Format : MPEG-TS
    File size : 16.0 MiB
    Duration : 4s 605ms
    Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mbps

    Video
    ID : 256 (0x100)
    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
    Format : MPEG Video
    Commercial name : HDV 1080i
    Format version : Version 2
    Format profile : Main@High 1440
    Format settings, BVOP : Yes
    Format settings, Matrix : Custom
    Codec ID : 2
    Duration : 4s 304ms
    Bit rate : 27.4 Mbps
    Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
    Width : 1 440 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 29.970 fps
    Standard : Component
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Interlaced
    Scan order : Top Field First
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.587
    Stream size : 14.0 MiB (88%)
    Color primaries : BT.709
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709
    Matrix coefficients : BT.709

    Menu
    ID : 4096 (0x1000)
    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
    Duration : 4s 605ms
    List : 256 (0x100) (MPEG Video) / 257 (0x101) ()
    Service name : Service01
    Service provider : FFmpeg
    Service type : digital television


    the output file size is larger than the input and the mediainfo output bitrate seem to indicate that the audio is actually in the file but neither mediainfo nor vegas can access it.


    doesn't make too much difference as now the video is usable from the output file and the audio is usable from the .mov source so it is possible to now edit in vegas without any intermediate re-encoding.
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  14. Thank you Aedipuss

    Tried your suggested command line (as m2t and mpg), and again neither would open in Vegas.
    I'm not actually too worried about audio (most of it will not actually be needed, and am able to use the .mov audio) but the video won't load on first attempt, only with a additional transcode in Any Video Studio (oddly here, as just stated it used ffmpeg as it's backend).

    Thank you all again for all the ongoing help
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  15. It also uses mencoder for backend, but mencoder basically uses the same libraries as ffmpeg

    There might be differences in your file. fourcc "HDVA" is listed in codecs.conf of ffmpeg and mencoder, so it should work
    http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html

    Other HDV MOV variants (at least video) work ok in vegas for me e.g. HDV1, HDV2, HDV3 . I've never seen HDVA.

    There seems to be a bug in ffmpeg's transport stream muxer, because you can use -acodec copy and demux audio alone (or convert it to little endian) -acodec pcm_s16le (still uncompressed, but usually more compatible on windows programs than big endian) . For example vegas will import that demuxed audio alone ok.

    If you cut a sample I can have a look at it
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  16. Thank you poisendeathray, will try cut a sample tonight.

    Appreciate everyone's assistance
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    another way to get just the video out of the mov container is to use "drag drop convert" a gui for ffmpeg - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Afer-sofT/154366924618733 - get the no install 1.0.0.1

    put it in the folder with your mov file. click the "decontent" option. drag the video into the box. when it's done, rename the file with a .m2t extension.

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  18. It probably won't open in the windows version of mpegstreamclip

    You can download dgsplit from here and cut a piece (binary splitter)
    http://neuron2.net/mine.html
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  19. Again, thank you poisendeathray and aedipuss

    Downloading both of those right now, and will post back shortly!!
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  20. Okay

    Tried DDC, and could not open the resultant file.

    Also tried DGSplit, and uploaded a 2MB segment to http://www.samdb.co.za/videos/disputedfaith_0.mov

    Other than the double transcode, which is hurting quality, nothing has worked so far.

    Thank you both again for all the help!!!!
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  21. ok, ffmpeg cannot read the sample (probably from the way it's been cut)

    but a temporary workaround , you can use dgindex , file=> save project and demux video . This will give you elementary .m2v video . You can wrap it into .m2ts with tsmuxer and it works ok in vegas here

    you only have 2 large files , correct ? no access to the camera that shot these ?
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  22. Thank you very much poisendeathray

    Busy downloading those now!
    Will post the results.
    [edit] I got a 'picture error' in DGIndex when running it, and it then stopped

    Only 2 large .mov files, no access to camera, storage media, etc. unfortunatly
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    when you used ddc did you add the file extension .m2t to the resultant file and then try it in vegas?

    the cut file part you uploaded is too small and corrupted?
    General
    Complete name : C:\temp\ffmpeg\disputedfaith_0.mov
    Format : MPEG-4
    Format profile : QuickTime
    Codec ID : qt
    File size : 2.00 MiB


    maybe try using this and uploading about a 20mb part.
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  24. Originally Posted by andrewgerm View Post
    [edit] I got a 'picture error' in DGIndex when running it, and it then stopped
    was that on the main movie or the sample ?

    the sample worked ok here , and loads into vegas ok

    maybe try that other makesample tool aedipuss linked to cut a larger sample
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  25. @poisendeathray: that was on the original file that I got the error.
    Sample won't load into Vegas here (running 64bit Vegas 10 Pro). Could this point to a possible error? Maybe a messed up codec on my system? I recently removed my installation of DivX (as I'm using XBMC on the main desktop, and other laptops in various OS's to preview rendered filed, and view any other media).

    Quicktime is updated to latest release (as are my utils Any Video Converter, etc.) And of course all OS's

    @aedipuss: will try that too, and upload. Very slow Internet here in SA, so will probably only have it up in the morning.

    Thank you both, very much, once again
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  26. Originally Posted by andrewgerm View Post
    @poisendeathray: that was on the original file that I got the error.
    Sample won't load into Vegas here (running 64bit Vegas 10 Pro). Could this point to a possible error? Maybe a messed up codec on my system? I recently removed my installation of DivX (as I'm using XBMC on the main desktop, and other laptops in various OS's to preview rendered filed, and view any other media).
    That was on a 32bit version of vegas 8, but I checked in a 64bit version of vegas 9 on another computer an it imports ok too.

    Vegas doesn't use system installed codecs or splitters for transport streams or mpeg2 decoding, only the ones it comes with - so it shouldn't matter what codecs you have installed. Unless your vegas install is corrupted. But it doesn't matter if you can't get dgindex to work on the original file (it doesn't rely on system installed codecs either), for whatever reason, that method won't work for you then

    Quicktime is updated to latest release (as are my utils Any Video Converter, etc.) And of course all OS's
    quicktime or quicktime pro on windows cannot open HDV in MOV , even with the $30 mpeg2 componet for quicktime. It's just impossible. You need a mac if you want to leave it in MOV. Any video converter uses ffmpeg and mencoder, and I still suspect you can re-wrap at least the video since it can convert the video. Perhaps try mencoder to do it instead
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    Originally Posted by poisondeathray View Post
    quicktime or quicktime pro on windows cannot open HDV in MOV , even with the $30 mpeg2 componet for quicktime. It's just impossible. You need a mac if you want to leave it in MOV.
    I've successfully used VLC's Convert / Save function to break HDV out of .mov jail.

    Sometimes I have to convert it two or three times until I get the result I want. I've had to change the file extension of the converted file once or twice. I don't know if it's me or that part of VLC is buggy. But it does work, when nothing else does.

    Vegas then happily accepts the files for editing and render.
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  28. Hahah "mov jail". So true.

    VLC uses FFMpeg in the back end as well . The FFMpeg method mentioned earlier works with HDV1/HDV2/HDV3 in MOV , but I've never tried it on HDVA - there might be some differences. (even though it's listed in the codecs supported list)

    Even if he converts it to some lossless format like huffyuv with any video converter, it's not that bad. Just that re-wrapping it would be preferrable, faster, smaller file sizes
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    I know I wrote "convert", but I don't think it's converting - probably just re-wrapping. Long (not broken up into clips), footage-type HDV files are done in minutes.

    I'm having trouble finding something that explains the difference between HDV1,2,3,A. Do you have a good link?
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  30. Originally Posted by dLee View Post

    I'm having trouble finding something that explains the difference between HDV1,2,3,A. Do you have a good link?

    These are just fourcc identifiers for the codec.

    I don't know what the exact differences are, only that there are some . e.g. it might be a unique identifer for the 4:2:2 variant of 1440x1080i or some might be full raster 1920x1080, etc...

    The one thing they share in common is MPEG2 . You can see about 30 of them for MPEG2. HDV 1-9, XDCAM variants, etc...
    http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html
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