Vegas Pro proper render settings

[ingeborgdot]

I have a question about what I should do about the proper rendering settings. I have two different formats to work with so let me know what would be best. I have SD and HDV in the computer ready to use. I would like to use the HDV but if it won't work I won't use it.
Here is what I do. During the week we play the game from Friday night for people to watch. I now have the opportunity to use the higher quality HDV if I can but when I render I need to render to avi and put on a hdd and then bring it to the tech center and download it into the computer for scheduled playing. The thing we have found works best for the software program that runs the schedule is to use avi. Can anyone tell me what I should do to make it work best and give me the best possible playback quality? Thanks.

[aedipuss]

avi is a general term for the container of audio video interleaved. you need to be more specific - what's in the avi? divx xvid mpg compressed uncompressed mp3 aac ac3 etc?

what program is doing the playing?

[ingeborgdot]

It is HDV from Sony HDR-FX7 camera.
Windows media player is what runs the program that plays it for broadcast.

This is also in vegas pro 9.

[edDV]

It is HDV from Sony HDR-FX7 camera.
Windows media player is what runs the program that plays it for broadcast.

This is also in vegas pro 9.

So the typical user is getting the file how?

Download full file?

Streaming from somewhere?

[ingeborgdot]

I bring my hdd up to the tech room where the equipment room is and download it into the computer that plays the game. Full file usually between 12-15GB. No streaming. It goes through your standard cable to a station that it plays through. I don't know if that is the info you are looking for.

[edDV]

I bring my hdd up to the tech room where the equipment room is and download it into the computer that plays the game. Full file usually between 12-15GB. No streaming. It goes through your standard cable to a station that it plays through. I don't know if that is the info you are looking for.

You could keep it HDV MPeg2 which can get acceleration from even old display cards.

If all the computers are recent with h.264 decode capable display cards + setup correctly, then you could use h.264.

I'd keep them MPeg2 myself.

[ingeborgdot]

We just seemed to have problems with the computer and the program when we tried that. This was the most fool proof. I guess now it is a newer one since the old one broke down this summer. I could try that and see what it would work like. What would the quality be like compared to the avi?

[ingeborgdot]

Rendering in general question when it comes to standard rendering in mpeg2. Will a person notice a difference if rendered at 8,300,000 as compared to 9,300,000?

[edDV]

Rendering in general question when it comes to standard rendering in mpeg2. Will a person notice a difference if rendered at 8,300,000 as compared to 9,300,000?

So you are talking SD now?

avi with what codec?

Why does the file need to be small at all vs HDV @ 25,000 Kb/s (~12.5GB/hr)?

[ingeborgdot]

Yes, I am hopping around expecting you to read my mind. Sorry, yes SD. Not worrying about avi with this one. This is involving mpeg2 for the SD that we have to create for DVD.

[edDV]

Let me try to understand. By "AVI" are you talking about an SD DV format capture file?

Or are you talking about a post edit export from Premiere? If so is "AVI" export to DV format?

If you want to export render for DVD use the MPeg2 DVD Architect Wide template



Then modify bit rates per in "Custom Settings" using the VideoHelp Bitrate Calculaor.
https://www.videohelp.com/calc

For a 62 minute program or less set video bitrate to 9500 Kbps CBR and audio to 224 Kbps

For an 80 minute program use VBR with average video bit rate of 7395 and 224 Kbps for audio.



Two Pass VBR will give a more predictable file size but double the encode time. If you want to use single pass, back off on average bitrate 5 to10%.

[ingeborgdot]

Yes, that is what I wanted to see. I have had a sleep deprived weekend. I jumped the track and was referring to mainconcept mpeg2 going on to architect. AVI is old news. I really wanted to know if a person would notice much difference if you went through these settings and did 8,300,000 instead of 9,500,000 or even 9,300,000? When you talk about audio are you including audio or are you rendering it separately? What do you like to do?

[edDV]

Yes, that is what I wanted to see. I have had a sleep deprived weekend. I jumped the track and was referring to mainconcept mpeg2 going on to architect. AVI is old news. I really wanted to know if a person would notice much difference if you went through these settings and did 8,300,000 instead of 9,500,000 or even 9,300,000? When you talk about audio are you including audio or are you rendering it separately? What do you like to do?

Push the audio tab to set audio bit rate.

Sports video in low light is the among the worst cases for encoding so should get the most bit rate the DVD spec will allow. Up to an hour, CBR gets the best result. If the game goes over an hour, VBR should get better results as the average bit rate falls.

For a well lit low motion scene, you won't see much difference 8000 vs 9500 Kbps. The more motion and noise, the more difference you will see.

[ingeborgdot]

Do you include the audio in the render with video or do you usually render it on its own?

[edDV]

Do you include the audio in the render with video or do you usually render it on its own?

You can so it either way. For DV or HDV video I usually include audio in the render so it is easily playable.

[ingeborgdot]

Yeah, that's the way I have been doing it lately because if you want to play it back it does have sound. Someone once said to leave it off and render it separately so I used to do it that way until about a year ago.

edDV, you use Vegas Pro, right? Have you ever used the platinum suite they also have? I was wondering if in my case that might be a better fit. I do want to know if I would have a lot of the same things but what would I lose? Do you know for sure?

[edDV]

Yeah, that's the way I have been doing it lately because if you want to play it back it does have sound. Someone once said to leave it off and render it separately so I used to do it that way until about a year ago.

edDV, you use Vegas Pro, right? Have you ever used the platinum suite they also have? I was wondering if in my case that might be a better fit. I do want to know if I would have a lot of the same things but what would I lose? Do you know for sure?

I have both. Platinum has most of the features you need for HDV/DVD. Sony's Vegas suite has a comparison.

[ingeborgdot]

And I have checked those comparisons and I could live without all of them BUT I don't think the platinum will utilize the CUDA if I understand right when I talked to tech dept. Anyone know for sure?

[edDV]

nope.

[ingeborgdot]

Nope, you don't know for sure? or nope it does not utilize CUDA?

[edDV]

Nope, you don't know for sure? or nope it does not utilize CUDA?

The Cuda enhancements coming in the future Pro 11 are not in the current Platinum 11.

It won't make much difference for what you are doing. Most advantages will go to multilayer complex effects edit preview render, not to speeding encoding.

[ingeborgdot]

So, seriously I would not notice any difference by purchasing the more stupid friendly platinum?

[edDV]

So, seriously I would not notice any difference by purchasing the more stupid friendly platinum?

Vegas Pro has more settings options and features. Depends what you are doing.

I've found, by having both, I can get Platinum to do many of the Pro features because I know where the missing buttons can be found. For example, I can get Platinum to do a 60p or 24p AVCHD project even though the project settings are missing in the menus.

This doesn't affect your DV/HDV 60i workflow which is directly supported in Platinum.

You haven't mentioned doing layered graphics or title tricks. Pro is much better at that. Also things like multi-camera and motion tracking.

[ingeborgdot]

I have never had the time to learn how to do layered graphics or title tricks and at this time may never have the time so not sure where to even start. I don't know how hard it is but I would have to learn it first. No multi-camera in our arsenal yet and not sure about what motion tracking is.
edDV have you ever used after effects?

[edDV]

I have never had the time to learn how to do layered graphics or title tricks and at this time may never have the time so not sure where to even start. I don't know how hard it is but I would have to learn it first. No multi-camera in our arsenal yet and not sure about what motion tracking is.
edDV have you ever used after effects?

Yes but more complex than what I normally need.