Does VideoReDo Support H264 Or Not?

[hech54]

I only need the "Plus" version. When I go to download the trial version of Plus
it says I am downloading version 2.5.6-512 - Last Update: June 17, 2007...and the
description posted here on VH says version 4 and later supports H264.
Does Plus support H264 as well? And what are the limitations of the trial versions?
Are they a timer trial or an output crippled trial?
I wish these guys would start wising up and clearly stating this stuff in the descriptions of the products
they are trying to sell.

[jman98]

They sell a version of TV Suite that can do H.264 for about $100 US, but there's no evidence at all that any other products can do H.264. If someone claimed here in a review that VideoReDo Plus can do H.264, I would say that most likely that is incorrect. My version of VideoReDo is below version 4 so I cannot test this for you and I have been unwilling to pay for upgrades because my version does what I need it to do. But based on a quick look, it does seem that if you want H.264 support that you have no choice but to get the TV Suite version with H.264 support at an extra charge. People in reviews here claim all kinds of things that are completely untrue so this would hardly be the first time for that.

Sorry but it's been too many years since I bought the old VideoReDo product to remember how they did their trials.

[hech54]

I haven't read any user comments on it. I'm only trying to decipher VideoReDo's own words. Thank You for your help though.

[TBoneit]

TV Suite version with H.264 will do it, trials version is limited in how long it runs unlimited once you get a trial activation key. Once that expires or if you don't get the trial key then it will only output 30minutes max. I believe it is the tv suite 4 beta that you need.

[hech54]

Screw it. I just opened an H264 file with that freebie version of MPEG Video Wizard that we got a few months back....I'll do some simple cuts with that.
Thanks everyone for the help.

[JimmyS]

I have to agree that VideoReDo should be giving some information about version 4 on their main web page. Since it is still in beta, they seem to think it best to keep it in their forums. By looking through the forum links at the top of the beta down load page (from the Tools section link), I did find some more info. about V4. This thread seems to clarify the issue regarding the two versions.

http://www.videoredo.net/msgBoard/showthread.php?t=15759

[mail2tom]

I bought VideoReDo TVSuite V4 with H.264 about 6 months ago after being frustrated with the free tools available for editing the H264 transport streams from my Hauppauge 1212 PVR. All I can say is that I haven't had a single problem with the software. Editing is accurate and I haven't had and A/V sync issues as I did with the free tools. Definitely one of the best video software tools I've ever bought.

[budwzr]

A decent editing software like Vegas Movie Studio costs about the same, but you get so many more features and benefits. Movie Studio has supported AVC for quite some time now and VFW too.

VideoReDo is WAY overpriced for what it does.

[TBoneit]

I just spent $46.99 + Tax for the upgrade from plus to VideoReDo TV Suite version with H.264. I tried the trial version and it works fine with my Hauppauge 1212 PVR. I've used VideoReDo for many years. It has help with many projects. I love the interface for editing. I had support for the trial version of VideoReDo when I was trying it out. They've always been helpful. They've even added support in the past for DVB files that wouldn't work in other software. I find them to be very responsive. To me it would be worth the full price. TV Suite version with H.264 when I start the trial version looked and found the Plus version and offered the update pricing.

[budwzr]

Hmmm...VideoReDo "happy customers" abound here. Any criticism is immediately and soundly countered. My web host gives out "points" to existing customers who go out and spread the gospel, even tells you which web sites to go to. Check it out at Superb Web Hosting main page. Hahaha, sad but true.

Phrases like: "I wasn't prepared to love this product, but.......", or "I'm an Apple hater, but......" are commonly used at Amazon..

For the record: I'm not "affiliated" with any product.

[lordsmurf]

Is the H.264 editing frame accurate?
That's the features I'm trying to find the most these days. Few/none can deliver.

[mobie29]

A decent editing software like Vegas Movie Studio costs about the same, but you get so many more features and benefits. Movie Studio has supported AVC for quite some time now and VFW too.

VideoReDo is WAY overpriced for what it does.

Wrong!!! VRD is the best $70 i have spent. I have not upgraded to H.264 yet but the trial version works very well and their customer support is the best you will find around. Very responsive and their forums are very helpful. That alone is worth the money. You are correct that it does not have the features that Vegas has, but they don't claim to be other than a editing program. VRD is rock solid and the foundation upon which i build my projects from.

[mobie29]

Is the H.264 editing frame accurate?
That's the features I'm trying to find the most these days. Few/none can deliver.

Yes it is frame accurate, unlike other editing programs i have used.

[TBoneit]

If it needs to it will encode the necessary frames only where you cut. Plus you can set the interface to 1 frame at a time if desired.

[budwzr]

Forgive me, but I've never heard of selective re-rendering an AVC(H.264). With Mpeg, yes, that's old hat. H.264 compression is too complicated for that AFAIK.

If I'm wrong, please educate me. I would like to do that too, and $75 is cheap if that's true.

[V1de0Luvr]

VideoReDo TVSuite will not open an MKV (AC3 audio), so that is a big strike against it for me. A 720p MP4 downloaded from YouTube it opened, but while attempting to save it says Error setting output options. A different MP4 from YouTube it did edit, and my edit was between GOPs, so yes budwzr, it can do that with AVC H.264, at least on some files. Also tried an FLV which is AVC and AAC, and no go. I was able to edit an MKV after remuxing as MP4 with AviDemux, though.

[budwzr]

Someone up above said it was frame accurate down to single frames, and re-renders that section. Is that true?

Was your edit just single frames? Or it just chopped out a block? What kind of editing did you do? Just cuts?

What about the audio. Did it get out of sync?

I'm very interested.

[V1de0Luvr]

budwzr, I was able to cut at the exact frame I wanted. A simple cut is all I did. Download the trial and see for yourself. You do not have to get a trial key, but it nags you to.

[budwzr]

The preview window showing single frames doesn't mean the join was so. Did you verify it afterward? That it didn't just do a crude hack?

I don't want to spend time with it right now because you already mentioned it choked at times on various files, I'll wait for it to get out of Beta.

budwzr, I was able to cut at the exact frame I wanted. A simple cut is all I did. Download the trial and see for yourself. You do not have to get a trial key, but it nags you to.

[budwzr]

What I would like to have is a "utility" that I can make subclips without having to re-render, or even crank up my NLE.

For Mpeg and MP4(Xvid) I've used Solveig MM Splitter for many years. But it's free, and for me to plunk down $75 for a utility is practically unheard of, but if it works as you say, that would be great.

Vegas has subclips, but they're virtual.

[DarrellS]

Smart Cutter is a lot cheaper but the cuts aren't as clean. The cut itself is clean but about a second after the cut, there is some pixelation.

There are a couple of free alternatives but they are not frame accurate and the cuts are not clean at all and you get sync issues. Videoredo 4 seems to be the only viable program for cutting commercials in H264 TS captures without re-encoding the file.

If you don't get the trial key for Videoredo 4 then I believe you can only save a 30 minute file. Also, if you have version 3, it destroys it when you install the version 4 trial. Even if you install it to a different directory like Videoredo suggests or even a different drive. You have to uninstall the trial and reinstall Version 3 to get it to work again. I may have even had to reinstall Windows since it screwed up the registry.

If you can spare the cost for Videoredo 4, it's well worth it. I wished that Hauppauge would've worked some kind of deal with them to package it with the 1212 PVR.

[chowmein]

Also, if you have version 3, it destroys it when you install the version 4 trial. Even if you install it to a different directory like Videoredo suggests or even a different drive. You have to uninstall the trial and reinstall Version 3 to get it to work again. I may have even had to reinstall Windows since it screwed up the registry.

Never happened to me, I have them both running side by side.

[lacywest]

I bought VideoReDo TVSuite V4 with H.264 about 6 months ago after being frustrated with the free tools available for editing the H264 transport streams from my Hauppauge 1212 PVR. All I can say is that I haven't had a single problem with the software. Editing is accurate and I haven't had and A/V sync issues as I did with the free tools. Definitely one of the best video software tools I've ever bought.

What type of video file did you output from the HD PVR ... m2ts ... or a different one ?? ... I've used the VideoRedo v4 ... and I also got good results too ! But it was the trial version ... i've rebuilt my computer again ... so I could get v4 again for 15 days.

[budwzr]

Hey Darrell, thanks for all the info. I guess the reason it's $75 is too many HD-PVR owners out there that just want to cut commercials. The Arcsoft software is the usual Arcsoft junk and takes hours to transcode.

I have GB-PVR too for the air stations, but that one records Mpeg, so no biggie. Anyway I just skip over the commercials manually (with the remote FF) and have gotten used to it.

But I do have H.264 "b-roll" type stuff that I'm wanting to subclip out and tag, like "Desert driving, casinos, rainstorms, mountains, etc. so it's easier to find.

Another of my projects is I'm building a media database built on metadata (tags) once I get enough clips going. Hey, thanks again.

[budwzr]

Just tried it (Smart Cutter), a little too simplified for me, and the interface is weird. Thanks anyway.