Can no longer capture HDV from Canon H20

[bemused]

This is complicated.

I've read the other "No HDV" threads, but no joy.

Last year my HP Pavillion with Vista x32 and 3G RAM captured HDV from my Canon H20, using Ulead VideoStudio 11+ over a 1394 cable.

Just now, I tried the same setup, but when I plug the 1394 connector into the front of the HP, the camera menu "Playback STD" automatcally greys out, and Ulead reads the device as "Canon DV" rather than "Canon H20" like it used to; and it will only capture at DV, not HDV. Yes, I'm sure the camera is set to "Playback STD HDV", and I've re-installed the Canon Computer software. I've also tried re-booting/re-powering the computer and camera in all configurations. No joy.

Here's the fun part. I thought it was a port problem, so I plugged the 1394 into the port on the back of the HP computer; same problem. When I unplug the 1394, the camera resets to "Playback STD HDV."

Fun part 2. I thought it was a cable problem, so I plugged it into the 1394 port of my home-built computer (XP-Pro), and the camera stays in HDV output mode! Unfortunately, my Blu-ray burner is only in my HP.

From the above, I think the HP-Vista is sending a signal to the H20 telling it that it is only a DV camera and not an HDV camera. But, it worked fine a year ago!

Anybody have any ideas?

TIA,

Bemused

[Megahurts]

Try HDVSplit for capturing and it should say "Canon HV20 camcorder detected". If so, then you may have a Ulead problem.

[bemused]

Thanks Megahurts, but the problem manifsts itself even when Ulead is not running. Nevertheless, Ill try HDVSplit tomorrow and post back.

G'night,

Bemused

[paulw]

Have you been into the menu to check that it's not set to "DV Lock" rather than Auto??

[bemused]

Megahurts, I downloaded and installed HDVSplit. My Canon H20 is not recognized.

PaulW, The Canon H20 menu is set on "HDV Lock." When I plug the 1394 cable into either 1394 port of my HP-Vista, the "Playback STD" (which has been set to HD Lock) greys out. The same thing happens when the camera is set to the Auto mode.

[aedipuss]

start playing the HDV tape. pause when you are sure it's playing HDV and then plug in the firewire cable. might be the tape was used for miniDV before.

[bemused]

Good idea aedipuss, but that didn't work either. I even recorde new HD video, but the HP-Vista stillwill not recognize the Canon HV20 as an HDV source, just DV.

[edDV]

My quick take on this is the HV20 is in DV downconvert mode. Not HVD out mode.

You set recording format in the "camera" menus. You set the output format in the "play" menus.

When I can get back to the camcorder, I'll describe the menu settings.

[zoobie]

perhaps it was accidently shot in DV and not HDV?
believe it or not, it's happened...

[2Bdecided]

My experience is that if the HV20 is outputting HDV, and the computer won't see it as such, then it won't see it at all.

What I mean is: if the HV20 is really outputting HDV when you first connect it, the PC will not see it as a DV camcorder. It'll either see it as HDV, or not at all.

Cheers,
David.

[bemused]

Since my HV20 HDV ,Ulead 11+, Vista, Blu-ray disc recording setup worked a year ago, I checked what's changed since then. On the HP-Vista, Son #1 installed VLC Media Player, and Son #2 installed Windows Movie Maker. Default Programs shows that they are default for most video file extensions. I bet these programs only recognize DV (not HDV), and that's why my computer no longer sees the HV20 as an HDV device. I can only figure out how to change the default program for particular file extensions. CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT VIDEO FILE EXTENSION THE HV20 OUPUTS? If I reset the default program for that file extension type to Ulead11+, maybe it will see the HV20 as an HDV device.

Any other ideas?

Tx,

Bemused

[edDV]

m2t

I agree with 2Bdecided that when in HDV mode, the HV20 has never been detected as DV.

The DV/HDV setting is in the Play menu, Play Out Setup 1. Choices are:

A (automatic)
HDV
DV

A or HDV work for me.

Next setting is Play/Out Setup2, then DV Output. Choices are:

DV (DV Locked) ... this forces an HDV to DV downscale
HDV/DV ... Use this setting.

[bemused]

edDv. It worked! Thanks very much. I was not changing the Setup2 setting, since it greyed-out when I connected the 1394, and I assumed it stayed in DV like Setup1 did when it greyed-out. (I know; dumb assumption.)

Now I'm back where I was a year ago, and can solve the problem I started out to solve: How can I burn a Blu-ray (or equivalent HD) disc that will play HD on my PS3? Last year, I just clicked on the Blu-ray choices in Ulead 11+, and got .dvsd files on a Blu-ray RW disc, they don't play anywhere (except with VLC media Player).

TIA,

Bemused.

[bemused]

Problem solved. I was not changing the HV20's Playback Setup2 setting, since it greyed-out when I connected the 1394, and I assumed it stayed in DV like Setup1 did when it greyed-out. (I know; dumb assumption.) Locking Setup2 to HD worked!

Now I'm back where I was a year ago, and can solve the problem I started out to solve: How can I burn a Blu-ray (or equivalent HD) disc that will play HD on my PS3? Last year, I just clicked on the Blu-ray choices in Ulead 11+, and got .dvsd files on a Blu-ray RW disc, they don't play anywhere (except with VLC media Player).

TIA,

Bemused.

[da_dj]

I battle all the time with my HV20 and Premiere. I have some old DV tapes I made with another camera that I was trying to rip using Premiere. The odd thing was that I started by opening a DV project (not HDV) with the old tape in the HV20 camera (4x3 format) and I had no problem capturing about 12 tapes, it worked fine. Then I switched to the native HDV tapes originally captured with this same camera, created a HDV project in Premiere but couldn't get the capture feature to capture the HDV to MPEG. I went into Premiere settings on the capture screen and found DV selected and switched it to HDV and that didn't help. Again I tried a bunch of power on and camera driver re-installation sequences. If finally started capturing the HDV content on the tape to MPEG after a couple of system reboots. Then as I approached the end of my project of archiving raw tape video to BR data disk, I discovered 6 more tapes in the old DV format I had missed but then I couldn't get Premiere capture to switch back from HDV to DV (after changing the HDV/VD selection in Premiere settings).

At last I discovered from these posts the idea of going into the playback mode on the camera and changed it from HDV/DV Auto to DV only. I fired up Premiere with a DV project (not HDV) and the settings set to DV (not HDV) and it started capturing fine. It captures to AVI just like the old DV camera provided from a capture.

Thanks to you guys and hope this maybe helps others who may be capturing old material as well.

[E_D_George]

There is a technical, if somewhat wordy, description I prepared explaining why Canon HVX0 and other cameras that emit HDV protocol streams can fail to be recognized by Windows XP: Canon HDV connectivity issues. It explains the XP driver stack arrangement and exactly where the failure point is, as well as giving explicit directions for the video camera settings to guarantee it will be recognized by an XP (SP2 and above) computer. I hope this may be useful to @Da_dj and @bemused.