Taiyo Yuden - Is It Time To Move From 8x to 16x ??

[mattstan]

I've been using Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R TYG02 blank DVDs for 2-3 years now and have burnt over 1200 disks - in that time I think I have had just 1 or 2 coasters, awesome reliablibility.

My old supplier stopped selling Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R earlier in the year and now sells Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD-R instead, I was worried the 16x would not be as good so I switched supplier and continued to buy the 8x DVDs.

Now my new supplier has stopped selling the 8x DVDs as well, and now also only sells the 16x version.

No problem I've found other suppliers that sell the Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R packs, but now I'm thinking should I switch to the 16x disks, they are about the same price and the suppliers both seem to have faith in the 16x disks.

Should I switch to Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD-R disks from the 8x disks? Are they as reliable?

Thanks all.

[wtsinnc]

How important is it to you to save about two minutes per burn ?

You are having great success with the 8x discs;
why change ?

[jman98]

I've been using the TY Waterhshield ink jet printable DVD-R discs for quite some time now and been very happy with them. They are rated at up to 20x but I never burn them faster than 4x. They've worked fine for me.

[mattstan]

How important is it to you to save about two minutes per burn ?

You are having great success with the 8x discs;
why change ?

Is it just 2 mins faster, I thought it would be twice as quick, going from ~8 mins to ~4 mins, is that not right?

It's not all that important, just that if they are just as good, why not use them and save the time and it seems the industry is migrating away from the 8x version.

I've been using the TY Waterhshield ink jet printable DVD-R discs for quite some time now and been very happy with them. They are rated at up to 20x but I never burn them faster than 4x. They've worked fine for me.

The Watershield disks sound really good, scratch resistant in particular is a sweet idea, but they cost almost twice as much and TY are already the most expensive out there.

Anyone got experience of the TY 16x DVD-Rs?

[wtsinnc]

mattstan;

On my computer and using either a LG GSA-H10N, LG GSA-H42N, or a Samsung SH-S202G, the difference is about two minutes more to burn an 8x -/+R (vs.) a 16x -/+R.

[cal_tony]

You could still burn the 16x disks at 8x.

Tony

[filmboss80]

As there's nary a single coaster (in my experience) with the 8x TYs, I don't mind a couple of extra minutes to burn. They got that formula right, and the price can't be beat.

[mattstan]

You could still burn the 16x disks at 8x.

I was under the impression that the best speed to burn any disk was at it's advertised speed.

Can't see the point in burning a 16x disk at 8x, what I'm interested in knowing is if the 16x disks are as good as the 8x ones.

[mattstan]

As there's nary a single coaster (in my experience) with the 8x TYs, I don't mind a couple of extra minutes to burn. They got that formula right, and the price can't be beat.

But have you tried the 16x ones? Or like me have you just been sticking to the 8x ones because they are so good.

Has anyone got experience of both 8x and 16x and can therefore give the virdict on the 16x?

[itsonlyme]

Over the last 2/3 years have used a mixture of 8x and 16x TY Full Face Printable. about 300 disks in total.

If I remember correctly I have had 1 coaster, during burning, and 1 coaster because of bad print.

So, effectively, no difference between.

Malcolm

[mattstan]

Over the last 2/3 years have used a mixture of 8x and 16x TY Full Face Printable. about 300 disks in total.

If I remember correctly I have had 1 coaster, during burning, and 1 coaster because of bad print.

So, effectively, no difference between.

Many thanks, for the info..

Anyone else agree with Malcolm about this?

I'd quite like a 2nd opinion from someone who has used both before I go ahead and buy some.

Cheers.

[wtsinnc]

As far as overall quality, no difference for me between the 8x and16x TYs either.
I've only used the shiny silver version, but a few friends have also used the 8x as well as the 16x (white) printable discs and they claim excellent performance and super reliability from both.

I just wish TY offered dual-layer +Rs in the USA.

[AlanHK]

I've been using Verbatim-branded 16X +R discs made by TY (code YUDEN000-T03-000) for a couple of years, about 250 or 300 discs. I always burn at 8X with a Lite-On burner, and had maybe 1 or 2 bad burns in that time.

I doubt if the ones with TY branding are physically different.

[lordsmurf]

The quality of 8x and 16x TY media will be the same.

Your best burn speed on 16x TY media will come at 8x or 12x. The data will be written more smoothly in the groove, and less ECC will be needed later on. Beyond that, 16x takes about 5-6 minutes, where 8x takes about 7-8 minutes, depending on burner. You may save anywhere from 1 to 3 minutes, but that's it. A good compromise is 12x. People who say "I'm burning at 16x and it's fine" have probably never run advanced tests on their discs. This topic is covered more at http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/media

[orsetto]

It sounds like you're looking for an "absolute" answer to your question, but there isn't one: the answer is somewhat subjective depending on how you create your DVDs and what your priorities are. TY is TY: they don't make anything thats poor, so their 16x is about as good as you can get (most other brands of 16x are significantly worse than TY). But their 8x is better, period: theres a reason TY 8x is the global gold standard for DVD-R burnability and archiving. If you don't have to make superhuman efforts to obtain the 8x, and it costs about the same, and 16x doesn't offer you dramatic time savings or efficiency, why change to 16x?

Even the finest 16x is more difficult to burn well than 8x. 16x requires more laser power and can wear down your burner a little quicker than 8x. The 8x, especially TY or Verbatim, is thought to have an edge over 16x in archival storage and playback compatibility. If using a standalone DVD recorder, 8x is vastly preferable to 16x for any number of reasons, but if you are burning on a PC with a reasonably new burner and good burning/authoring software the only real difference between TY 8x and 16x will be the 16x burning faster and the 8x being arguably more stable in long term storage. It sounds like you burn on your computer, if so then either TY should perform the same for you in real-world day to day applications. If you can still get the 8x without too much hassle, you should probably stick with it, but if the 16x becomes way more convenient to buy then go with the 16x. The only area where 8x becomes really noticeably superior is in standalone DVD recorders.

TY is now beginning to act on an agreement they reached last year with JVC, to market TY media under the JVC brand name in retail stores. At this time it is unclear if this media will be 8x or 16x, I would think 8x at retail would be suicide due to the speed-freak teenage consumer market so most likely the JVC will be TY 16x. Just be sure to check the packaging for a "Made In Japan" marking, if its made anywhere else its old JVC stock not sourced from TY.

[mattstan]

Thanks for all your replies, especially orsetto whose reply I am taking as definitive. I'm going to follow his advice and stick with 8x, until such time as they become hard to get hold of. I'm particularly interested in his point about long term storage as some of my burns definately fit into that category.

Thanks again everyone.