Did I just fry something? No Post after failed/interrupted Win 7 resume

[trimicada]

So, received my Win7 upgrade yesterday and installed last night which went fine. Didn't think about turning suspend/hibernation off. (I leave system on all the time, XP set to not hibernate or suspend) Came home tonight and found that it had hibernated. Hit power button, no visible activity, no video. Hit enter key a few times and finally got a resuming windows screen and then very garbled messed up graphics. Didn't seem to be able to complete, so held the power button down to power off. Now, system won't post. Fans spin but nothing else at all happens. Tried removing memory, no beep codes. Disconnected hard drives. No change. Fans spin, no display, nothing else. I popped the CMOS battery with power disconnected and replaced and still nothing.

Have I killed the board somehow or what else can I try? I don't currently have a spare PSU, CPU, or video card. No idea what my BIOS version was but can't look at it since no post.

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R (Rev. 1.0 is stamped on the board? It was purchased in Sept. 2007)
Corsair 520 PSU
Intel E6750 Core 2 Duo
Corsair Ballistix RAM; 2x1g
eVGA 8800GT
2xWestern Digital hard drives
USB keyboard
USB mouse

[edDV]

Did you install over XP or did you install to a separte disk partition?

I don't think you can install over XP unless there was a recent announcement.

If you installed to a separate partition, you should still be able to boot into XP.

[trimicada]

Win 7 is installed to a sep. partition; I'm dual booting. But at the moment that is irrelevant since the system currently won't post. No BIOS/POST screen at all, no beeps, no video.

[minidv2dvd]

no post is not a software problem. hardware failure. remove all cards and drives, hook video to built-in graphics port or a known good vid card and see if it will post. if not switch power supply for known good ps, try again. still no go and most likely cpu failure.

[ocgw]

Win 7 is installed to a sep. partition; I'm dual booting. But at the moment that is irrelevant since the system currently won't post. No BIOS/POST screen at all, no beeps, no video.

err....look @ your boot order?

ocgw

peace

[minidv2dvd]

if it won't post to bios how is he to look at the boot order?

[trimicada]

no post is not a software problem. hardware failure. remove all cards and drives, hook video to built-in graphics port or a known good vid card and see if it will post. if not switch power supply for known good ps, try again. still no go and most likely cpu failure.

You don't know how much I'm kicking myself right now for ditching a ton of extra components earlier this year. My mobo does not have onboard graphics and I don't have an extra vid card or PSU right now. Looks like I may be hitting the local computer store tomorrow.

[edDV]

Think back to before the install. Did you do anything that affected the hardware or disk contents?

It is unlikely the install itself caused a hardware failure.

[ocgw]

if it won't post to bios how is he to look at the boot order?

"Great mind think alike" lol

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

Don't they use different file systems? How are people handling the dual-boots of those two OS?

What's on the second drive?

[ocgw]

Don't they use different file systems? How are people handling the dual-boots of those two OS?

What's on the second drive?

Even Win7 uses ntfs

You just gotta' install the older OS first

ocgw

peace

[minidv2dvd]

no post is not a software problem. hardware failure. remove all cards and drives, hook video to built-in graphics port or a known good vid card and see if it will post. if not switch power supply for known good ps, try again. still no go and most likely cpu failure.

You don't know how much I'm kicking myself right now for ditching a ton of extra components earlier this year. My mobo does not have onboard graphics and I don't have an extra vid card or PSU right now. Looks like I may be hitting the local computer store tomorrow.

lol... my wife would love it if i trashed everything in the room full of out of service computers and parts in my "workshop". it's not going to happen. even have "spare parts" for ataris, commodores, apple IIs, pc xt, pc jrs.... anyone need pc dos 2.0? word v 1.0? lotus 123? hehe. zork series on 5.25 floppies?


try using only 1 stick of ram also. switch to the other and then try that by itself also.

unplug and replug all power supply connectors.

about all i can think of.....

[KTH]

Try unplugging the power cord for the computer then press and hold the power button in for 3 to 5 seconds to drain the remaining power. I would wait another minute before plugging the computer back in and try booting the system ( just to make sure the power is drained). The last thing I can think of trying is to remove the battery from the motherboard or short out the bios reset leads to reset the motherboard bios (Be sure the power cord is unplugged when trying this). Then re-insert battery and try rebooting. Please note that resetting the bios will change all bios settings back to factory defaults.

[trimicada]

Tried all the above. Still have nothing though the behavior has changed slightly. Still no post. Current behavior: fans spin for 2 seconds and then it reboots. Repeats until I unplug it.

I'm leaving it unplugged til morning and if nothing has changed I guess I'll try to get my hands on a spare video card and PSU first and then go for a big time upgrade (motherboard and/or CPU) if those fail.

[minidv2dvd]

couple last things to check.
is the hsf still securely attached, you shouldn't be able to wiggle it. the 2 second shutdown could be heat protection kicking in.
does it rattle is you shake the case?
is the motherboard attached to the case offsets only in the proper holes so there is nothing shorting out?

[Bjs]

1: Disconnect everything from motherboard except for cpu and memory
2: Remove cmos battery
3: Remove power cord (remove power connection from main board and reinsert)
4: Leave system in this state overnight
5: Reconnect mains power next morning
6: Start up and cross fingers it beeps

I would, generally to rule out possibilities of case issues remove the motherboard and use a secondary psu to perform this on bench top.

If symptoms don't improve then replacement is warranted.

[Sartori]

couple last things to check.
is the hsf still securely attached, you shouldn't be able to wiggle it. the 2 second shutdown could be heat protection kicking in.
does it rattle is you shake the case?
is the motherboard attached to the case offsets only in the proper holes so there is nothing shorting out?

I was just thinking about that when I read your post , my cpu fan electrical connector came off and it would only boot for seconds before the lack of feedback from the fan turned off the pc ie check your cpu fan electrical connection / fan spins for those seconds it is running , to concur with minidvd`s point above . (The wire that gives the temperature feedback can assume the pc temp is off the scale if its missing) .

[trimicada]

Well, it's morning now and system still is in the powers on then reboots state. This is with the video card removed. CPU fan does spin when system powers on.

It has been properly mounted in the case on the offsets for 2 years. I built the system in Sept. 2007 so I would assume that it is not shorting out against those. However, I guess the next step is to remove everything from the case and connect it table-top and see what I get. If a friend of mine doesn't have an extra then I'm off to the store to pick up an extra PSU too.

If it comes down to it, I may be upgrading CPU and motherboard. Any suggestions that won't cost an arm and a leg?

[Brainiac]

Trimicada, check your PM.

Brainiac

[minidv2dvd]

if you have another hsf or just a cpu fan i would try plugging it in to the motherboard, satori has a point, but it's the fan speed sensor/wire that might be bad which would tell the bios it had 0 rpm, might cause a shutdown.

any chance you are in nh? you could borrow a celeron d420, hsf, and psu from me for testing.

for good but not outrageously priced i'd go q6600 quad(o/c's very nicely) and p45 based board like this gigabyte(they make good m.b.'s).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128358

your setup is nice as it is, sorry you had the problem....

[trimicada]

Ok, looks like I'm going to call it as Dead Motherboard.

Was able to borrow a PSU and a PCI vid card from a friend. Have everything out on the table. Shorted the power jumper to start it. PSU starts; cpu fan starts and currently everything stays on, not restarting, but still no video so can't tell if it is doing anything. Couldn't tell if any beep codes since no system speaker connected.

Is it possible the CPU is still the problem? Yeah, maybe but I'm more inclined to think it is the board.

So, I guess I'm going to upgrade. If I'm replacing parts, might as well go for Mobo/CPU/RAM together. Entry level Core i5 for $199 and Asus LGA1156 board for $170 or so is probably the way I'm going to go.

[minidv2dvd]

you sure you don't want the x58 chipset and i7 for the triple channel memory? you're going to need ddr3 either way.... the 1366 i7 will cost about 80 more but you can get a motherboard for the same price.

[astroone]

I saw you purchased the motherboard in 2007 I am assuming you also got the cpu at the same time Intel has a 3 year warranty as for the Video card being evga that card is a life time one,
But the Gigabyte Motherboard is only a 1 year warranty.
Also did you make sure your Hard Drive cables where secure on the Motherboard or did you try a new cable sometimes Sata cables do get old and the system won't post from that.
I have had that happen with a system being a year old.
Also if you do decide to build a new computer Look up Microcenter on google they have the best price for a Core I5 or if you choose a I7 920 plus look into newegg.
But if your Motherboard won't get into Bios then I would look at that as being the culprint try seeing if you can test your processor on another motherboard to rule out the processor.

[trimicada]

But if your Motherboard won't get into Bios then I would look at that as being the culprint try seeing if you can test your processor on another motherboard to rule out the processor.

I wasn't looking forward to purchasing a 775 board to test this (I hate purchasing new hardware that is already "old"), but thanks to another persons generosity I should have another LGA775 board by the middle to end of the week. So I'm going to hold off on any other purchases/upgrades until then and see what I have. Thanks for all the tips and suggestions everyone!

[astroone]

That's cool that someone is lending you a 775 Motherboard hope it work's out.

[easylamb]

IT MIGHT SOUND ODD BUT I HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM AND HOW I RESOLVED THE VIDEO NOT COMING ON WAS TO WITH THE PC OFF DISCONECT POWER CHORD THEN HELD IN POWER BUTTON UNTIL ALL LIGHT WENT OUT. RESTARTED AND THE VIDEO AND MONITOR WAS WORKING FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH GOOD LUCK

[budz]

^^^^Why are you yelling? Geez, stop with the caps locked...It's very rude to type in all caps like that.

[trimicada]

Am I down to calling it the CPU?

Received another board to use today and borrowed an alternate PCIe video card (an ATI HD 2400 I think; no power connection required). Getting the same behavior...ie. fans come on and stay on but no video. However, holding the speaker wires to the pins on this board isn't giving me any sound like it did on my board. Not sure what is up with that.

So I've tried 2 of each of the following:
motherboard
PSU
Video Card

Tried with and without memory and memory in alternate slots
Only other thing connected is a USB keyboard

re: lcd/cables, when switching between cards, it does recognize the connection...ie. it displays "digital" power saving mode vs. "analog" power saving mode.

Only thing I haven't swapped is the CPU.

CPU is correctly seated and HSF is on securely. Apparently not overheating because system is not powering off.

[trimicada]

OK, final update...after various expletives were used, it turns out...

it was memory. When the system failed, I had 2 sticks of memory in it...both 1gb DDR2 Crucial Ballistix. I was only running XP so didn't bother adding more than the 2gb. It really didn't occur to me that both sticks could be bad, so during all this troubleshooting I was alternating with these 2 sticks; one in or the other. I got some other sticks and system posted fine. Ugh. How common is it for 2 sticks to fail at the same time?! Even though it is now posting with the other sticks of memory (also Crucial Ballistix) I am tempted to go get another brand just to use something other than Crucial. I am assuming of course, that nothing on the board fried the memory.