AVI wont play on standalone player, need to convert to what

[haubmi]

Hi,

i'v got an avi container with a Xvid video stream and an mp3 VBR audio stream.
This does not even schow up on my standalone Scott DXi590BK player.
(rtfm does not help much, because the crapy manual says only its kompatible to Xvid,DiviX; video: MPEG2, MPEG4; audio: MPEG1 L1+L2+L3; nothing about usable containers)

So i am thinking about remuxing it to a vob container.
The Xvid video stream schould not need any transcoding.
The mp3 VBR autio schould be transcoded to MPEG2 or AV3 (or MPEG3 CBR).

I tried first with AVIdemux (transcoding also the video) but this was very slow and i ended up with wrong aspect ratio.
too slow

Second try:
I tried to transcode the audio with BeSweet (BeSweetGUI) to AC3 and MPEG2. fast, Ok
I tried to extract the raw Xvid stream with Yamb. fast, ok
I tried to build DVD structure with DVDauthor GUI (or was it GUI for DVDauthor). did not work!

I think the problem ist the raw Xvid stream.

Is there a chain of tools which can do the muxing to vob fast, as there is only transcoding for the audio needed?
Is there another way of convertig so the above mentioned avi could be made compatible to stand alone player?

By the way, it would help a lot if there where a big collection of small films in all known as working on a
standalone player combinations of containers, stream types, FourCCs ...
So one could insert a DVD with that in to any standalone player an check what beast of film this player would accept.
Just an Idee. Such collection does not exist, or?

Thanks in advance
Michael

PS: Im relatively new to video processing and am overwelmed by the sheer amount of available tools.
I'v installed allot of them and wasting my whole spare time testing there usefullness on the problem.
My wife is now complaining so i decided to better ask for assistance.

[Baldrick]

I don't think you will a software that will let you put xvid in vob.

Can you post the full details from the avi, use mediainfo, open avi, change to view->text and paste here.

But I guess it would be easiest to try reconvert using avi recomp if it's just this avi that wont work.

[Bjs]

Welcome haubmi

Vob is for mpeg2 with ac3 / dts / mp2 audio ... avi video streams = no

Try dvdflick to convert the avi to dvd ... less learning and more action.

Some players come with little in their manuals about specifics for avi support.
One player I bought recently said all ok but these files must be encoded to 720 x 576 in order to work.

[haubmi]

Hello Baldrick,

You are right, no Xvid in VOB only MPEG-2 Part 2.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats

Here are the details:
MediaInfo 0.7.8:

General
Complete name : c:\t\ntg-schtis_xvid.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 697 MiB
Duration : 1h 46mn
Overall bit rate : 916 Kbps
Writing application : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release)
Writing library : VirtualDubMod build 2540/release

Video
Format : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile : Streaming Video@L1
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, QPel : No
Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Codec ID : XVID
Codec ID/Hint : XviD
Duration : 1h 46mn
Bit rate : 778 Kbps
Width : 608 pixels
Height : 256 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.35
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.200
Stream size : 593 MiB (85%)
Writing library : XviD 1.1.0 Beta2 (UTC 2005-04-04)

Audio
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 3
Codec ID : 55
Codec ID/Hint : MP3
Duration : 1h 46mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 125 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Stream size : 95.0 MiB (14%)
Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration : 24 ms (0.60 video frame)
Interleave, preload duration : 153 ms


AVInaptic 18-11-2007:

[ About file ]

Name: ntg-schtis_xvid.avi
Date: 24/10/2008 16:53:38
Size: 731,340,800 bytes (697.461 MB)

[ Generic infos ]

Play duration: 01:46:30 (6389.76 s)
Container type: AVI OpenDML
Number of streams: 2
Type of stream nr. 0: video
Type of stream nr. 1: audio
Audio streams: 1
ISFT: VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release)
JUNK: VirtualDubMod build 2540/release

[ Relevant data ]

Resolution: LOW (608 x 256)
Width: multiple of 32 (GOOD)
Height: multiple of 32 (GOOD)
Average DRF quality: MEDIUM (4.720746)
Standard deviation quality: LOW (2.251148)
Std. dev. weighted mean: LOW (1.980442)

[ Video track ]

FourCC: xvid/XVID
Resolution: 608 x 256
Frame aspect ratio: 19:8 = 2.375 (~2.35:1)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1
Display aspect ratio: 19:8 = 2.375 (~2.35:1)
Framerate: 25 fps
Number of frames: 159744
Stream size: 621,385,501 bytes
Bitrate: 777.976638 kbps
Qf: 0.199932
Key frames: 1469 (0; 7; 8; 21; 321; ... 159574)
Null frames: 0
Min key int: 1
Max key int: 300
Avg key int: 108.743362
Delay: 0 ms

[ Audio track ]

Audio tag: 0x55 (MP3)
Bitrate (container): 124.752 kbps VBR
Channels (container): 2
Sample rate (container): 48000 Hz
Chunks: 266235
Stream size: 99,640,416 bytes
Preload: 480 ms
Max A/V diff: 496 ms
Type: MPEG-1 Layer III
Initial skip: 480 bytes
MPEG frames: 266234
Play duration: 01:46:30 (6389.616 s)
Bitrate (bitstream): 124.752330 kbps VBR
Chunk-aligned: Yes
Emphasis: none
Mode: joint stereo
Delay: 0 ms

[ About MPEG4 encoding ]

User data: XviD0039
Packed bitstream: No
QPel: No
GMC: No
Interlaced: No
Aspect ratio: Square pixels
Quant type: H.263
Number of frames: 159744
Drop/delay frames: 0
Corrupted frames: 0

I-VOPs: 1469 ( 0.920 %)
P-VOPs: 59942 ( 37.524 %) #########
B-VOPs: 98333 ( 61.557 %) ###############
S-VOPs: 0 ( 0.000 %)
N-VOPs: 0 ( 0.000 %)

Max consecutive B-VOPs: 2
1 consec: 19453 ( 33.031 %) ########
2 consec: 39440 ( 66.969 %) #################

[ DRF analysis ]

Average DRF: 4.720746
Standard deviation: 2.251148
Max DRF: 21

DRF=1: 2824 ( 1.768 %)
DRF=2: 18363 ( 11.495 %) ###
DRF=3: 25221 ( 15.788 %) ####
DRF=4: 46397 ( 29.045 %) #######
DRF=5: 21115 ( 13.218 %) ###
DRF=6: 13757 ( 8.612 %) ##
DRF=7: 16235 ( 10.163 %) ###
DRF=8: 5549 ( 3.474 %) #
DRF=9: 3675 ( 2.301 %) #
DRF>9: 6608 ( 4.137 %) #

I-VOPs average DRF: 3.102110
I-VOPs std. deviation: 1.462181
I-VOPs max DRF: 13

P-VOPs average DRF: 3.419188
P-VOPs std. deviation: 1.640508
P-VOPs max DRF: 14

B-VOPs average DRF: 5.538334
B-VOPs std. deviation: 2.195402
B-VOPs max DRF: 21

[ Profile compliancy ]

Profile to check: MTK PAL 6000
Resolution: Ok
Framerate: Ok
Min buffer fill: 80%


GSpot 2.70a:
I have also a screen shot "Gspot-2.70a.jpg" here but dont know how to attach.

I did not try your suggestion "AVI ReComp for Windows" until now. But i will today.

Best Regards
Michael

PS: I don't understand wich is the best link for downloading "AVInaptic", as i cant read italian.
What is that on "http://fsinapsi.altervista.org/" under "AVInaptic"?

[guns1inger]

From what you have posted I can see no reason for it not to play, and even if something was off about the encoding, it should at least appear in the play list, then get rejected.

What type of media did you burn it to, and with what software ?

[haubmi]

Welcome haubmi

Vob is for mpeg2 with ac3 / dts / mp2 audio ... avi video streams = no

Try dvdflick to convert the avi to dvd ... less learning and more action.

Some players come with little in their manuals about specifics for avi support.
One player I bought recently said all ok but these files must be encoded to 720 x 576 in order to work.

Hello Bjs,

thank you for your warm welcome.

If tried yesterday with "DVD Flick 1.3.0.6-734 32" it took 3.74hours.
As i did't let DVD Flick build an ISO neither burn the DVD.
It took about 1hour for ImgTool Classic and ImgBurner to get the DVD.

This would be ok for one time but not acceptable as a standard procedure for viewing .AVIs on my Scott DX i590BK standalone player.

But thank you for your sugestion.

Best Regards
Michael

PS: I would more like to learn by using the specialized basic tools (but with their own GUI) than the fire and forget GUI tools.

[haubmi]

From what you have posted I can see no reason for it not to play, and even if something was off about the encoding, it should at least appear in the play list, then get rejected.

What type of media did you burn it to, and with what software ?

Hello guns1inger,

how du you know? Do you also own this Scott DX i590BK by accident?

It was on a data DVD with subfolders. Type of raw media i will find out.
The burning programm may have be nero, but consolidating is difficult.

I will try to burn it to a new data DVD without subfolders and a data CD as well (if it fits).
I will use my favorite ImgBurn.

I think i also tried to view it from a memory stick.

And, yes this player only shows files it thinks it can do.
On the memory stick there where protable programms as well and the funny thing it only showed
some splash screen .jpg/.bmp actually many subfolders deep down, as only one level down from toplevel.

Best Regards
Michael

PS: If found a hidden setup screen naming some numbers that may be chip ids or the type names of real manufacturer.
Are you interestet? Would that help?

[haubmi]

Try to use K-lite 321 codec =))

Hi choof,

i'd rather not install it, because i don't want to land in driver hell!
Which of the drivers in this codec pack should help with what?

Best Regards
Michael

[Noahtuck]

Try to use K-lite 321 codec =))

HELL NO!!!!!!
1st, Never dump that crap into your system!!
2nd, what good would that do him when he is trying to play them on a STANDALONE player


Smart man haubmi

[leghorn]

Soviel ich weiß, haben einige Standalone-Player Schwierigkeiten, AVI-Dateien mit VBR-Audio abzuspielen. Du könntest Folgendes versuchen:
- Datei mit AviDemux öffnen
- Ausgabeformat: Avi
- Video-Stream: kopieren
- Audio-Stream: von VBR nach CBR konvertieren

[redwudz]

leghorn, please use English on our site so others can better understand your posts.

Moderator redwudz

But I believe that you are suggesting to try AVIDemux and direct copy the video stream and convert the VBR audio to CBR.

Though I dislike MP3 VBR audio, it should work with most players. But still, worth a try. Thanks.

[leghorn]

Ok, for those not capable of German... 8)

As far as I know, some stand-alone players have difficulties playing avi files with vbr audio. You might try he following:
- open the file in AviDemux
- output file format: avi
- video stream: copy
- audio stream: convert from vbr to cbr

Thanks for the language hint, redwudz. Btw, you were absolutely right

[haubmi]

Hello All,

many thanks too all trying to help.

Issue solved.

"guns1inger" pointed me in the right direction.
You may call me an idiot.

- DVDisaster shows that the disc was almost unplayable with lots of unreadable sectors on two computers
- I did'nt understand the operating concept of the standalon player file menue (nothing about that in the crapy manual):
- there are tree icons at the bottom: an note - for music files, a camera - for picture files and
a red 3angle (a film strip would have been much more intuitive) - for film files
- it only shows files of the selected type (you have to press right arrow to move up from top level for getting to the file type
selection, up down arrow for selecting and Enter to select). Picture files are selected by default if you enter a media.

After correcting filenames to 8.3 removing directory structure joning split avis named ...avi.part (VirtualDub), burning this to disc and using the right operating procedure now every film shows on the standalone player.

Thanks to all
Michael

[leghorn]

maybe you'd like to buy another player, one which is easier to handle